NTJ traits and social skills

[Maverick]

Take the following typical NTJ traits:

a) Being the best in something
b) Being logical
c) Being honest
d) Being independent
e) Having integrity
f) Being critical

Would it seem to you that, when it comes to people:

a) Appearing better than others is foolish
b) The most logical argument is not the most convincing
c) The truth hurts
d) Independence is taken as rejection
e) Integrity is taken as group deviance
f) People cannot stand criticism

As such, NTJ's must hide these qualities to function smoothly in the social arena?

[thod]

a) Appearing better than others is foolish

Ofc, why show the other guy your hand, it is a strategic mistake. The guy that wants to be seen as the best is emotional not logical. The logical man does not care either way.

b) The most logical argument is not the most convincing

Quite true. This makes it an illogical argument. The objective in an argument is to convince the other guy. Whatever does this best is correct. If a line fails to convince then it is a poor solution.

c) The truth hurts

True. You will make enemies by telling the truth. You will also gain a reputation for straight talking. Knowing when to use each is the skill.

d) Independence is taken as rejection

It can be seen as such. If you have no need to interect with others then you wont. This will leave you outside the group that is built on mutual dependency.

e) Integrity is taken as group deviance

Not sure what you mean by this one.

f) People cannot stand criticism

Why is that a suprise.

a - "you are fat"
b - "hmm"
a - "and you smell too"
b - "hmm"
a - "and you are not too bright"
b - "hmm dont talk to me anymore"

[Maverick]

Not sure what you mean by this one.

Getting along in a group requires some compromise of one's personality, ideas and values to fit along with the norms of the group.


Why is that a suprise.

a - "you are fat"
b - "hmm"
a - "and you smell too"
b - "hmm"
a - "and you are not too bright"
b - "hmm dont talk to me anymore"

lol, good one

How about:

a - Can you give me your opinion on this text I wrote
b (colleague) - Sure, it's really good, apart that x could have been better
a - OK thanks!

Next day, a gives cold shoulder to b

[Fissiongrid]

e) Integrity is taken as group deviance
Not sure what you mean by this one.
I think he means not conforming to social norms/peer pressure. Like if all your friends went out and smoked pot/cheated on a test/etc., and you didn't, they would push you away from their group.

[ElstonGunn]

I think he means not conforming to social norms/peer pressure. Like if all your friends went out and smoked pot/cheated on a test/etc., and you didn't, they would push you away from their group.

So NTJs are the ones asking "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too?"

If there's a good reason to jump off a bridge, I'll jump. Although just going along with the group never falls into the "Good Reason to Do Something" category.

[Kotetsu]

At one time or another, I've thought in exactly the same way as the topic creator about each of those traits.

[karen]

Would it seem to you that, when it comes to people:

a) Appearing better than others is foolish
b) The most logical argument is not the most convincing
c) The truth hurts
d) Independence is taken as rejection
e) Integrity is taken as group deviance
f) People cannot stand criticism


a) I have never worried about that.
b) I will NEVER give up on the logical argument!
c) yep
d) yep
e) um, well, I don't know. I just fake it.
f) big fat YEP!