Hmm College.

[Lagawrd]

Greetings, I am a new member to this forum. Of course many of you had deduced that already in many ways.

I am an INTJ, and I thought it would be extremely beneficial to join this forum. I normally wouldn't do this, but some topics intrigued me.

Anyways, I am currently a Forensic Psychology major in 'John jay college f criminal justice' here in NY. My favorite subjects are Math and physics... why I chose my major is beyond even me. I guess I could say i like Psychology and the idea of justice. However, i changed my mind after seeing soo many students enroll in that college for the same major. I was extremely upset. My psychology teacher has a doctoral. i wonder what she is doing teaching a low level psychology class. I cannot find any other advanced classes that she teaches. There are also so many ways I can correct her not by academic psychology but by actions and methods.

The whole major and the experience to me was horrible. It dealt so much with theories and opinions. I found myself tired going to class everytime. I cannot deal with all these opinions and supposed thoughts for the rest of my life. I concluded, I need to pick another major and another life change.

I am an INTJ... I trained my weak abilities like public speaking and somewhat at explaining and teaching step by step procedures. Recently after taking many tests, I have been getting ISTJ but mostly INTJ. I evaluated myself however and concluded that I am an INTJ. Anyways I have been thinking of getting into the 'Computer Information systems' (CIS) major . With that I will extend my reach to get into Computer forensics. Now which colleges around NY (if you know of any) are best for this kind of intention. Why or why not choose a private college rather than a state college? I have been thinking of getting into DeVry. Does anyone have any opinions or better yet experience with this school? and remember I am not as wealthy as I would like to be. So I do not want to expect suggestions like Yale or NYU. My academic grades are also fine. I am 19 years old. I turn for help because I know I do not know much about this and I do not know any reliable people that would care to help.

Any help would be appreciated. Any lack of help would be appreciated too but I would rather not.

[ginandsour]

Few things:

Even if your professor has a ph.d, there's always going to be Classes Someone Has To Teach, and usually lower ranking professors are responsible for those, or people who haven't grown tired of freshmen yet and/or have a great deal of idealism.

Lower division psychology classes ARE like that, because people think psychology is all about dream analysis or wanting to sleep with your mother or they watched Silence of the Lambs and thought it was cool. They like to sit in class and talk about themselves and their experience without examining data. There are people like this in every major that isn't cs/math/hard science, and they usually go away in upper division. Usually.

Wealth does not matter if you have the grades and the scores (yes, there's a corrolation, but that's another post) for places like NYU and Yale. It's my understanding that Yale and Stanford came out and said if your family income was below a certain level, you'd have prorated tution and extreme support.

DeVry is too much money for very little in the way of experience or certification, according to my CS degree holding, INTJ buddy who knows much more about this sort of thing than I do.

Private colleges--in some cases--are better for networking, because they generally have a more established base of employed alumni. I had a great experience at my state college, however.

Beyond granting degrees, college is also meant to weed out people who can't make it work in that setting. I tell friends who ask me these sorts of things that I actually have a degree in red tape, but while I was in school I studied history and political science.

Hope this makes sense.

[Lagawrd]

You are completely true about the people that enroll into psychology for the wrong reasons. Most people in my psychology lecture hall are in it because they think psychology is all about relationships, feelings and giving unwanted and silly advice. Yes there are those poepl who enjoyed hannibal movies and enrolled for this one single reason. It is after they find out that 'Clarice' isnt a forensic psychologist or finally knowing what forensic psychology is that they finally drop out of the major. To me that is untolerable.

Good to know that bit of information about Yale and stanford, but I am guessing they will make you go through hell before thay can help you.

"DeVry is too much money for very little in the way of experience or certification, according to my CS degree holding, INTJ buddy who knows much more about this sort of thing than I do."
by:ginandsour

This part I did not fully understand, but I think I got the main idea.

"Beyond granting degrees, college is also meant to weed out people who can't make it work in that setting"
by:ginandsour

I did not understand this as well, in which "setting"?

All in all it helped me to some degree.
Appreciated.

[bubbles]

I'm not sure what kinds of jobs you can get after graduating from DeVry, but I think it would be better to get a computer science degree from a four-year university since it would be more resistant to outsourcing. Here at my university, we get a lot of people who choose a major for the wrong reasons (for example, engineering and business for $$$$$$, history because it's "easier", etc). Some of those with weaker work ethics, not passionate about their major, or just cannot handle the difficulty will get weeded out.

If you do plan to do computer science, have a strong background in math and programming. I'm sure that there are public universities in your area that are affordable and give decent financial aid.

[ginandsour]

history because it's "easier", etc

Ahaha, oh nasty suprises await undergrads who think that!

[Necrosis]

Well, I'm from the new york area as well. I actually attend Polytechnic University, it's in downtown brooklyn and if you've never heard of it we just recently merged with NYU so maybe u will soon? Anyway, if your looking to apply math and physics and you have strong skills in it, I would lean more towards an engineering degree than an information systems one. Columbia and my school, are great engineering schools in the new york area. I'm in computer engineering myself, and its challenging but very rewarding. But like was said already, it's simply how you apply what you learned that's going to determine what you do in the future, not so much what degree you get.

[ginandsour]

What I mean by "setting" is that some people simply don't respond to traditional education models. College is a way of filtering out those people. If you can't manage stupid people in lecture, professors you may not get along with, red tape, repetitive assignments (in some cases) etc, you'll get Darwin'd out pretty fast in the first two years.