Harry Potter types?

[coffeeloverfreak]

I know this is all over the internet... but the debate rages on. I've never seen it settled, and a lot of it is outdated (i.e. pre-DH, when you learn much more about the main characters). Anyone want to take a crack at typing the HP characters?

Here's what I'm thinking:

Harry: ISFP
Ron: ESFJ
Hermione: ISTJ

Dumbledore: INTJ with strong Fi?
Voldemort: INTJ
Snape: INFJ
Umbridge: ISTJ

Luna: INTP
Neville: ISFP

Lupin: INFJ
Sirius: ESFP
James: ESFP
Lily: ENFP

???

[Antares]

Many people dubbed Snape as INTJ, but almost his entire life was dedicated to a dead person - Lily, and I think it's quite a feeler thing to do. She's dead, and there's nothing he can do about it, but he eventually gives his life to her memory. He also unfairly treats Harry and Ron, bends rules because he felt like it. I also agree that Voldemort should be INTJ. I've seen him put as an INTP, but he's far too good at planning to be INTP. Him framing Hagrid was almost too 'J'. I rather think Luna is INFP. She believes in strange things that don't exist and is quite fundamentalist about them, and her father, like her, thinks Hermione is 'close minded' (she is, but she's also right about the strange creatures they believe in).

[Mr Galt]

I've always thought of Snape as VERY T. Dumbledore, along with most of the "good" characters in the books tend to be pretty F. Just my $0.02.

[Pinkie]

I think Snape's INTJ. I don't see him so much bending rules because he feels like it - I think he bends them to see how far they'll go, see what he can get away with.

[Jgib5328]

Being an F or a T isn't a matter of what you live for, it's a matter of how you act day to day. Snape was a very cold and calculating person, it may be true that he has sacrificed a lot for Lily, but that doesn't still take away from the fact that he is dominated by his thoughts.





Jgib5328 added to this post, 1 minutes and 51 seconds later...

Why is Lily an ENFP? What P characteristics did you get from her? I thought she was more of a J since she seemed more organized and planned as opposed to James.

What happened to Hagrid? He's probably an ESFP.

[Solaris]

I think Snape probably is an INTJ, just a very misanthropic one. His overwhelming love for Lily is just, to me, a side effect of being INTJ. In other words, he wasn't great with his F, and it ruined things for him with Lily.

I've seen Harry typed as all sorts of things. Short of getting JK Rowling to take the MBTI test for Harry, I don't think we'll ever know -- though I'm certain she knows Harry well enough to take the test for him. He doesn't fit very neatly into any one of the types really. Plus, we only really know him until age 17. MBTI tells us that personality is only just solidifying around then, so I don't know that we can accurately type him. Personally, I think he's too decisive for an ISFP.

[Antares]

I think Snape probably is an INTJ, just a very misanthropic one. His overwhelming love for Lily is just, to me, a side effect of being INTJ. In other words, he wasn't great with his F, and it ruined things for him with Lily.

I've seen Harry typed as all sorts of things. Short of getting JK Rowling to take the MBTI test for Harry, I don't think we'll ever know -- though I'm certain she knows Harry well enough to take the test for him. He doesn't fit very neatly into any one of the types really. Plus, we only really know him until age 17. MBTI tells us that personality is only just solidifying around then, so I don't know that we can accurately type him. Personally, I think he's too decisive for an ISFP.

Perhaps Harry might be ISFJ? According to many sources, they are the 'selfless martyrs' of MBTI, and Slytherins never did let Harry forget his self-sacrificing nature.

[Mr Galt]

Are you sure about Sirius being an E? He seems pretty I to me. He always was sort of an enigma and he spent much of his time just living with Buckbeak.

[Jgib5328]

Are you sure about Sirius being an E? He seems pretty I to me. He always was sort of an enigma and he spent much of his time just living with Buckbeak.

And did you notice how depressed he was? He was incredibly lonely because he was FORCED to spend his time in hiding by himself. If you pay attention to the flashbacks, he was a really outgoing guy with James. He id definitely and E.

[coffeeloverfreak]

I see Harry's self-sacrificing less as a personality trait and more as a character archetype or literary device. In other words, he had to be self-sacrificing because in the Christian allegory, he was the Jesus figure. If you notice that his personality is mostly self-preserving, not self-sacrificing, you'll see what I mean. He only accepts this when he realizes there's no other choice.

I think Harry is probably an ISFP because it fits with a lot of the evidence. When Harry is feeling low or needs to re-energize, he detaches and spends time alone. When he's with people for too long, e.g. the common room, he needs to retreat and spend time in the dorm or the owlery or something. I think he's definitely an I, and even when he's pressed upon to be a leader, he does so reluctantly. He's a quidditch player with a strong sense of the *now* and the physical world (S) and when have we ever seen him be intuitive, really? All the so-called flashes of insight he has are from his F, not N. Speaking of which, he's a very strong FP I believe. He reacts hot-headedly very often, you almost never see him study or run to the library a la Hermione, he reacts emotionally to pretty much every situation and uses emotions to make his decisions. And as for being a P, well, this is the easiest one of all I think. He leaves things till the last minute, is a bit of a scatterbrain, doesn't give a hoot about tying up loose ends - he'd rather be out pursuing the next adventure. Hence, ISFP.

Agree with Jgib on Sirius. He's most definitely an E. He's giddy, happy and energized when he has visitors, and depressed, sad and miserable when he's forced to be alone. He also reacts rashly and emotionally without thinking things through (F), he has trouble envisioning anything beyond the here and now (S) and he seems to extrovert feeling to deal with the world (J).

Snape is a harder one. Until book 7, I might've pegged him as a T, but now I pretty much believe he's an F, because his motives for everything he was doing were emotional. However, I agree that in tactical decisions he relies on his T, and he could just be an INTJ with a stunted F that didn't allow him to ever get over his love for Lily.

Dumbledore, on the other hand, I see as a very strong INTJ with a well developed Fi (remember, by his age, he's had plenty of time to work on it... one needs only to look back to his youth to see his F wasn't always so developed). He plans his moves like a chessboard, using everyone around him as pawns to achieve his ultimate strategy that only he understands. He is secretive, manipulative, often cold and calculating. Yes, of course he's a "good guy" because he's doing it for good reasons. But you don't ever see him react emotionally or make decisions because of his feelings, do you? He very nearly allows feelings for Harry to distract him from his plan, but he doesn't; ultimately, he burdens Harry with his fate anyway. Dumbledore is probably much more INTJ than Snape or even Voldemort. Note how easily Dumbledore is able to manipulate Voldemort using what he knows to be Voldy's emotional weaknesses, for example.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Debate away.

[pavman]

The book The Hidden Key to Harry Potter, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. goes into depth about how each house represents the types... I haven't read it in a while, but essentially the Ravenclaw house was the "Rational" house, according to this book. I've seen online "tests" that try to go into this sort of thing, but not sure how accurate they are. Anyway, most of them place us in slitherin house; however, ravenclaw was more about pursuit of knowledge, so I'm thinking the book was more accurate than the web tests....

I can't seem to find the part about this in that book cited above. I'll keep looking, but its difficult as there is no index. I know I read about it around the time I read this book, so I just assumed it was in this book... I'll post anything I can find.

[coffeeloverfreak]

I don't see INTJs as Slytherins at all, really. I mean, sure, the evil world domination thing notwithstanding. But Slytherins are all essentially big bullies, trying to charm or con their way into positions of power. Power is, after all, what the Slytherin desires. And INTJs usually couldn't give a rat's @$$ about power. Slytherin = ESTP? ENTJ? Whatever, but I don't think it's INTJ.

As for each house being a type, er, not sure about that. Too many of the houses have overlapping characteristics. For instance, Ravenclaws are rational (NT) but they also have a tendency to be most likely to believe in things without proof a la Luna. Gryffindors are brave but they can also be STs like Hermione, SFs like Harry, but they can be motivated by great selflessness, unlike most people of those types. Slytherins can be calculating but also very childish, spoiled, and power-seeking, like most bullies. Hufflepuffs are hardworking but not necessarily high-achievement. In other words, I see some type similarities, but not an obvious correlation.

[pavman]

For instance, Ravenclaws are rational (NT) but they also have a tendency to be most likely to believe in things without proof a la Luna.

Perhaps this is just Rowling's way of interpretting the INTJs ability to think "why not" .... :) ...or perhaps she's an INTP and that's why they make no sense to me ;)

If I find the source, I'll post it. I can't do it justice, I'm sure...especially since its such an old topic.

[Solaris]

I don't see INTJs as Slytherins at all, really. I mean, sure, the evil world domination thing notwithstanding. But Slytherins are all essentially big bullies, trying to charm or con their way into positions of power. Power is, after all, what the Slytherin desires. And INTJs usually couldn't give a rat's @$$ about power. Slytherin = ESTP? ENTJ? Whatever, but I don't think it's INTJ.


Snape, a widely thought INTJ, is very Slytherin. His one slip up, as far as Slytherin is concerned, would be his devotion to Lily. He more than made up for that with his unequal response to hating Harry, because he represented James, popularity, love, and everything he (Snape) could never have with Lily. (Fe out of control)

[Octavianus Caesar]

Harry is very Introverted. His situtaion with Voldermort and how to defeat him, clearly puts him as very INtutional. He is very Feeling orientented, he cares for people and that is very obvious when he is put into a pinch, he will chose to save a life, than to lose it. He is very carefree overall, he will put things off and do them last minute, so that would make him Percieving. So HP is INFP

Hermione is very introverted as well. I would think she is a balanced S and N, but when push comes to shove she is by the book person, follow the rules, so overall she maybe a Sensing person (If i understand it correctly). She is defenitly a T person, she can be tough, critical, and rational, she thinks things through. She is a J. She likes to control the outcome, based on what she believes to be correct, she plans things out and she sees them through.
Hermione is a ISTJ (overall, but she can easily cross into INTJ, easily.

Ron is Extravert. Which balances Hermione and Harry I. He is talkative, his home life is very active and forces his character to be extraverted. He is a strong S, he lives in the present, he very rarely thinks about the future, and he relies on his senses. He is a strong F, he is easily hurt (especially when harry is picked over him), he does not like to fight, he is passionate about what he is presently doing. He is a P: carefree, relaxed, abaptable, he does what he wants to do and puts things off. So Ron is ESFP.

Dumbledore is an introvert. He stays up in his study hours at a time, he contemplates alot in privacy. He is a strong N: he focus on the future, he sees and plans for things that may happen, he is inventive, and complicated. Like Hermione he is a balanced T and F. He is logical, objective, and thinks things through, at the same time he can think through the heart (he does not want to hurt Harry any more than he has to), passionate about protecting harry and defeating Voldemort. Gentle and warm person. He is a J, he is decisive, he likes to control things, organized, makes plans. I would conclude he is an INTJ (with the ability of being an INFJ).

Voldemort is an introvert. He keeps to himself, he does not like friends, unless he can control them, I would say he is a very strong one. He is Intutional, like Dumbledore, he creates, focus on the future (making it in his own image), deep, abstract, he likes to twist things to match his own likeness. He is a strong thinker, he cares for no one, the only feelings he has is hate and revenge. His thinking of "pureblood" is what drives him, he is racist, impersonal, objective and logical (with in his own thinking). He is a Judge: he controls everything around him, he is organized and set up his own group of people, he rules them with a iron hand. Voldemort is an INTJ.





Octavianus Caesar added to this post, 6 minutes and 45 seconds later...

Professor Snape: He is an introvert as well, keeps to himself. Like Dumbledore and Voldemort, Snape is Intutional , he creates spells and potions. Thus he sees possibilities. Theoretical, imaginitive, inventive, abstract, ect. Like Hermione and Dumbledore I think he is a balanced T and F. He is logical, thinks things through, rational, very impersonal, critical, and firm with people, but at the sametime he is dislikes conflicts, passionate, driven by emotion and easily hurt (he is an F when it comes to Harry and Lilly). He is a J, he schedules things, his classes and teaching are very organized, he controlls them with an iron hand, he makes plans, ect. Over all he is an INTJ (depending on events he can be a INFJ).

[coffeeloverfreak]

#15, I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except for Harry being an N. To me he's a pretty clear S. He is much more focused on the physical and the tangible than on the possible. He likes sports and active pursuits over dreamy, intuitional ones. He's a man of action - definitely act now, think later. And he takes in information based on stuff he sees and hears (spying on people, sneaking around under his invisibility cloak). Plus, people frequently get frustrated with him for being too concrete a thinker To me, all of that says S.

Arguably, magic itself would lend itself more towards the N. And of course, there are times when Harry's intuition kicks in (yelling at Lupin about Tonks for example) but I would say that's more his F than his N. If anything, Harry's intuition seems extremely under-developed; that's why he has to go to Dumbledore for advice so much.

[Jgib5328]

I agree with coffee, Harry is definitely an S. He doesn't show much deep insight or exhibit any abstractness. Most of the amazing things he does are a result of other people, luck, or sometimes his courage. He definitely lives in the here and now and is most grounded and concrete.

I am an INTJ, and I'd probably fit in Slytherin. Not that I'm sneaky or anything, but I probably just would. INTJs would probably fit in Ravenclaw or Slytherin. I like Slytherin the best, but I tend to favor the evil characters. I think the Slytherin characters were all just portrayed poorly. Most of them were pretty much apes and beasts. Like Draco's scamps (I forget their names) and that girl who didn't like Hermione. I'm sure if the Slytherins were portrayed more, we'd see some INTJs. I'd kill myself if I was a Hufflepuff, that's the worst one. Gryffindor is annoying, I'm not altruistic or anything, and don't really care much about other's well beings.

[Octavianus Caesar]

#15, I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except for Harry being an N. To me he's a pretty clear S. He is much more focused on the physical and the tangible than on the possible. He likes sports and active pursuits over dreamy, intuitional ones. He's a man of action - definitely act now, think later. And he takes in information based on stuff he sees and hears (spying on people, sneaking around under his invisibility cloak). Plus, people frequently get frustrated with him for being too concrete a thinker To me, all of that says S.

Arguably, magic itself would lend itself more towards the N. And of course, there are times when Harry's intuition kicks in (yelling at Lupin about Tonks for example) but I would say that's more his F than his N. If anything, Harry's intuition seems extremely under-developed; that's why he has to go to Dumbledore for advice so much.


Hmm, good point.

[coffeeloverfreak]

ISFP description (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and how it fits Harry Potter:

As an ISFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your value system. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in via your five sense in a literal, concrete fashion.

I definitely see Harry as introverting feeling. He spends most of his alone time stewing in his feelings of anger, reminiscing about his parents, reveling in his feelings of joy, etc. etc.

ISFPs live in the world of sensation possibilities. They are keenly in tune with the way things look, taste, sound, feel and smell. They have a strong aesthetic appreciation for art, and are likely to be artists in some form, because they are unusually gifted at creating and composing things which will strongly affect the senses. They have a strong set of values, which they strive to consistently meet in their lives. They need to feel as if they're living their lives in accordance with what they feel is right, and will rebel against anything which conflicts with that goal. They're likely to choose jobs and careers which allow them the freedom of working towards the realization of their value-oriented personal goals.

Harry's value-oriented personal goal: getting rid of Voldemort. His desire to be an auror? Entirely about that. Not too sure about the fine art appreciation, mind you.

ISFPs tend to be quiet and reserved, and difficult to get to know well. They hold back their ideas and opinions except from those who they are closest to. They are likely to be kind, gentle and sensitive in their dealings with others. They are interested in contributing to people's sense of well-being and happiness, and will put a great deal of effort and energy into tasks which they believe in.

Harry holds back from most people except Ron and Hermione, the people he's closest to. He tries to be kind overall (some of his adolescent fumbles notwithstanding) and he definitely puts effort, energy, and his life on the line when he believes in something.

ISFPs are action-oriented individuals. They are "doers", and are usually uncomfortable with theorizing concepts and ideas, unless they see a practical application. They learn best in a "hands-on" environment, and consequently may become easily bored with the traditional teaching methods, which emphasize abstract thinking. They do not like impersonal analysis, and are uncomfortable with the idea of making decisions based strictly on logic. Their strong value systems demand that decisions are evaluated against their subjective beliefs, rather than against some objective rules or laws.

More Harry to a T. He likes the practical lessons (DADA especially) and hates theoretical learning or "book learning". I can hardly think of any time he's made a logic-based decision, except maybe at Hermione's urging. He regularly flouts the laws and flies in the face of rules and regulations for what he believes is right. From his first rule-breaking to defend the philosopher's stone, to his battles against the ministry, he makes decisions based on what he feels is right, not based on what external society dictates.

ISFPs are extremely perceptive and aware of others. They constantly gather specific information about people, and seek to discover what it means. They are usually penetratingly accurate in their perceptions of others.

Harry frequently sees things about people that others ignore. He knew what Draco Malfoy was up to. He understands people like Sirius, Lupin, Luna and Neville, when others don't. He has a knack for assessing right away if someone is good or evil.

ISFPs are warm and sympathetic. They genuinely care about people, and are strongly service-oriented in their desire to please. They have an unusually deep well of caring for those who are close to them, and are likely to show their love through actions, rather than words.

Is laying his life on the line to protect his friends "action-oriented" enough? When Sirius is in danger, Harry rushes to the Ministry to save hi, consequences be damned. Hermione calls him out on it, telling him he has a "saving-people thing" but he dismisses it, saying that forget logic, he has to rescue the people he loves.

ISFPs have no desire to lead or control others, just as they have no desire to be led or controlled by others. They need space and time alone to evaluate the circumstances of their life against their value system, and are likely to respect other people's needs for the same.

Harry never showed any desire to lead or follow the crowd. He distanced himself from peer pressure from day one, rejecting Malfoy's offer of friendship to hang out with the people he knew were good, like Ron. When his friends urge him to teach the DA, he resists until he has no choice, and then reluctantly assumes a leadership role because he realizes he's a symbol of hope to many people. But, given the choice, he simply wants to be left alone or to be with the people closest to him.

The ISFP is likely to not give themself enough credit for the things which they do extremely well. Their strong value systems can lead them to be intensely perfectionist, and cause them to judge themselves with unneccesary harshness.

Harry's no perfectionist by any means. But he is harsh on himself and always is quick to avoid taking credit. All the things he's done over the years, he constantly insists had nothing to do with talent and were based solely on luck, guts, and help from smarter friends. He downplays his achievements and seeks only to accomplish his goal.

The ISFP has many special gifts for the world, especially in the areas of creating artistic sensation, and selflessly serving others. Life is not likely to be extremely easy for the ISFP, because they take life so seriously, but they have the tools to make their lives and the lives of those close to them richly rewarding experiences.

Life's never easy for the Boy Who Lived, is it? *Sigh*.

[Octavianus Caesar]

I think what happen was i was reading the S and thinking N. So i typed N and not S :p

[Rei]

Harry: ESFP
Ron: ISFP
Hermione: ENFJ

Dumbledore: INTJ
Voldemort: ISTJ
Snape: INFJ

Luna: INTP
Neville: ISFP

Lupin: INFJ
Sirius: ESTP
James: ESTP
Lily: ENFP

[Jgib5328]

Harry: ESFP
Ron: ISFP
Hermione: ENFJ

Dumbledore: INTJ
Voldemort: ISTJ
Snape: INFJ

Luna: INTP
Neville: ISFP

Lupin: INFJ
Sirius: ESTP
James: ESTP
Lily: ENFP

Lol I'm sorry, but how is Ron introverted? He is really outgoing and shows no sign or needing a lone time and shows no signs of introspection. I'd say Ron is an ESFP

How is Hermione an N and an E? She is clearly boxed in by the rules and convention (an S trait) and doesn't show much interest in the abstract. She's never really shown any interest in the abstract either? I'd say Hermione is an ISFJ, maybe an INFJ. Hermione also seems to be more reserved and quiet than most so she may be an I. She seems much more interested in her studies than other people. She maybe an E though.

How is Voldemort an ISTJ? He clearly is intuitive. He was able to develop a well thought out master plan for his future dominance over the world. He seemed to manipulate the rules rather than follow them. He has shown deep insight and that he is abstract by creating a wide variety of his own spells. You can even see his Fi, form the Horcruxes. They were all symbolic to him and had meaning. Voldemort is definitely an INTJ.

I've already stated why I thought Snape was an INTJ.

Sirius seems more like an F to me because he seems to be rather emotional.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Hermione seems like a T to me. Even if she's motivated by idealism, her decisions are all thought out rationally, not emotionally.

[Jgib5328]

Hermione seems like a T to me. Even if she's motivated by idealism, her decisions are all thought out rationally, not emotionally.

She's really sensitive and emotional. A lot of her decisions aren't thought out that rationally. She obviously deeply sympathizes with people too. Remember he whole 'free elves' thing? And how she always cares about the weak and down trodden. Or how about the fact that she ends up working for the human rights department of the Ministry of Magic? Face it, shes definitely an F.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Ts can also be into human rights (or elven rights, as the case may be). But Hermione's forte is logical thinking and decision-making. She always uses deductive reasoning to get to her answers. To me, that says T.

As for being high-strung, well, she's a teenager.

[Solaris]

Being an F doesn't always connote being emotional. As coffee put it, she is a teenager, and one in some extraordinary circumstances at that. Being an F is more about values than emotions. At least, that's how I understand it. These types are often more prone to be emotional, but Ts can be emotional people as well.

[Rei]

Lol I'm sorry, but how is Ron introverted? He is really outgoing and shows no sign or needing a lone time and shows no signs of introspection. I'd say Ron is an ESFP

How is Hermione an N and an E? She is clearly boxed in by the rules and convention (an S trait) and doesn't show much interest in the abstract. She's never really shown any interest in the abstract either? I'd say Hermione is an ISFJ, maybe an INFJ. Hermione also seems to be more reserved and quiet than most so she may be an I. She seems much more interested in her studies than other people. She maybe an E though.

How is Voldemort an ISTJ? He clearly is intuitive. He was able to develop a well thought out master plan for his future dominance over the world. He seemed to manipulate the rules rather than follow them. He has shown deep insight and that he is abstract by creating a wide variety of his own spells. You can even see his Fi, form the Horcruxes. They were all symbolic to him and had meaning. Voldemort is definitely an INTJ.

I've already stated why I thought Snape was an INTJ.

Sirius seems more like an F to me because he seems to be rather emotional.

Maybe I just haven't read HP in a long time. But I think Ron only appears extroverted because he has a huge family, and is forced to be around a lot of people all the time. There's a lot he thinks about that aren't always mentioned until certain times in the book... he doesn't always say everything he thinks about. In my memory, he seeks solitude when he's distraught...

I'll explain Hermione later...

Voldemort. Planning/strategizing isn't an intuitive thing. It's a J thing. There are lots of things he doesn't know about people... I guess you could still say he's an N, but he's definitely got a gaping hole in his intuitive spectrum.

Snape could be an INTJ, I'm on the fence about that one too.

About Sirius. I really don't think he would have been able to survive Azkaban if he was an F. Then again, he does do some stupid things because he's not level-headed enough.

[coffeeloverfreak]

To me, the introvert/extrovert preference litmus test is how people react when they need to "recharge". When Ron is upset or worn out or listless, he seeks out people - his friends, his family, whoever. When Harry is, he shuns people to go be alone for a while. Ron is feeding energy off others; Harry is draining energy from being around others. That's how I see it, anyway.

Also, Ron is usually social, says funny things to entertain people, most comfortable in a crowd. That to me says extrovert.

[Rei]

To me, the introvert/extrovert preference litmus test is how people react when they need to "recharge". When Ron is upset or worn out or listless, he seeks out people - his friends, his family, whoever. When Harry is, he shuns people to go be alone for a while. Ron is feeding energy off others; Harry is draining energy from being around others. That's how I see it, anyway.

Also, Ron is usually social, says funny things to entertain people, most comfortable in a crowd. That to me says extrovert.

That makes perfect sense... For some reason I have this image of Ron sulking alone in my head. Maybe I've just totally forgotten what the characters were like.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Here's someone (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.

[OmegaPsi]

Here's someone (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.

I could imagine Hermione being an E. She started clubs such as S.P.E.W. and D.A. She also in the very beginning of the book was the person who went around and spoke to people about Nevilles toad. In the same scene she went straight up to Harry and Ron stated her name and asked for theirs with no hesitation.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Some more thoughts about Hermione's character:

From Wikipedia (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):
Rowling has stated that Hermione resembles her at a younger age, with her insecurity and fear of failure.

(...)

The daughter of two dentists, she is an overachiever who shows considerable academic prowess when compared to her close friends and classmates, and she is described by Rowling as a "very logical, upright and good" character. Her parents are "a bit bemused by their odd daughter, but quite proud of her all the same." Rowling says that Hermione feels "utterly inadequate…and to compensate, she tries to be the best at everything at school, projecting a false confidence that can irritate people." Hermione's Boggart is Professor McGonagall informing her that she failed her exams.

(...)

Hermione's most prominent feature is her cleverness. She is book smart and is very good with logic, as seen when she deciphers Severus Snape's potion challenge at the end of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Hermione does not do well at the beginning of the series in stressful situations, as seen when she does not think to use her wand when needing to create fire to get rid of the Devil's Snare. However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, she can quickly think of a place to apparate to. She also thinks to reveal Harry to the Death Eaters to save Xenophilius Lovegood and to use a Stinging Hex on Harry's face to hide his identity when attacked by Snatchers.

(...)

Screenwriter Steve Kloves revealed in a 2003 interview that Hermione was his favourite character. "There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.

[Mr Galt]

I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.

[Jgib5328]

Here's someone (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.

Sorry that guy is a retard, he was wrong on a lot of his stuff.

[Solaris]

I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.

Thank you!

[coffeeloverfreak]

Yet another interesting perspective (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), this one tied into the houses being associated to the four elements frequently found in astrology:

Hogwarts is divided into four houses, for the four elements that make up the world according to astrology: fire, air, earth, and water. JK Rowling tells us that Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water.

According to astrology, the fire temperament shows itself in a drive for freedom and action, vitality, and generosity. It is the most daring of the elements. This sounds very much like Gryffindor, the house for the brave and bold, who perform brave deeds.

Earth is hard-working, practical and conventional. Astrology calls it the "common sense" temperament. This is Hufflepuff, for the loyal, hard workers not afraid of toil.

Ravenclaw is air, the temperament of intellectual pursuit and objective, unemotional logic. The Sorting Hat calls them the cleverest, the wise, and those with a ready mind.

And then, there is Slytherin.

In astrology, water is guided by emotion and intuitive knowledge or "hunches". This temperament values strong emotional bonds with others above all. How does this fit with the power-hungry, ambitious Slytherins, who will do anything to achieve their goals?

JK Rowling chose Water as the symbol for Slytherin, knowing what it stood for. I believe the water description fits, but it will require a different approach from the other houses. Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, and Hufflepuff were described positively. Slytherin's water temperament is put negatively.

Slytherins are me-first people. The Water temperament, grounded in subjective emotion and inexplicable hunches, starts from the self out. But the Slytherin doesn't get beyond the self. Other selves are just the material for working out their subjective goals.

Slytherins are cold people, ruled by their heads. Well, not exactly. Slytherins are in strong control of the expression of their emotions; this does not mean they are not guided by them. In fact, many Slytherins seem to be strongly guided by the emotions of hate and anger.

Slytherins are obsessed with purity of blood. Is this a perversion of the need for strong bonds with others? Has it been reduced to the ties of ancestry? And the Death Eaters have one of the strongest emotional bonds, fear, with Voldemort.

Why describe Slytherin in the negative?

First of all, the water temperament makes for great villains. Most in tune with emotions, the temperament best fitted to understanding others produces superb manipulators when the goal of that understanding is unlimited ambition rather than the good of everyone.

Secondly, to be guided by emotions is often depicted as being unable to reason clearly, or being flighty and unfocused. But lack of control and inability to reason are not inherent with this temperament, nor are they the biggest danger. JKR seems to say that it really comes down to choice: which emotions will you choose for your guide?

Lastly, this leaves an option for Slytherin to unite with the other houses without remaining "evil". Slytherin will always be dark, not in the sense of evil, but in the sense of hidden, because emotions and hunches do not arise out in the open. But a Slytherin guided by love instead of hate, able to connect with others in ways most other can't, with intuitive knowledge of what is hidden to others, could be a formidable ally.

Then maybe Slytherin will no longer be described in the negative. Perhaps the Sorting Hat will change its song, and Slytherin will be "the sages of the hidden and the masters of the human soul".

So we have:
Gryffindor = Fire
Hufflepuff = Earth
Ravenclaw = Air
Slytherin = Water

If we further associate the four elements to the four Keirsey types:
Fire = SP
Earth = SJ
Air = NT
Water = NF

This brings up a whole new range of possible typings for characters, if we consider that perhaps Jo Rowling intended her Slytherins to be sort of stunted, negatively-developed NFs instead of the widely-speculated SJs.

Look at the histories of Tom Riddle, Severus Snape, even Draco Malfoy. Are they really logical, calculating and cunning individuals at the core? Or are they, as the water association suggests, guided by stunted emotions? If Snape's driver is his love/infatuation for Lily, if Voldemort reacts emotionally to every situation (Harry always senses his joy and anger, not his thoughts) due to his childhood, if Malfoy is desperately trying to prove his worth to his father, are these not the mark of unhealthy NFs?

And is Jo Rowling really suggesting that Slytherins could have exhibited the positive qualities of NFs and redeemed themselves?

Hmmmmm.

[Octavianus Caesar]

I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.


What i have notices is that INTJ's can cross over with INFJ, so it is quite possible that T and F are a fine line, but both have to do with the mind, so thinking and emotion may not be to far apart.

[coffeeloverfreak]

More (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) on the aforementioned elemental association:


Carl Jung studied alchemy. From them he refined some proposals of personality attitudes and functions. From Jung, Myers-Briggs based the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), which retains some correspondences from alchemical elements:

Element Myers-Briggs (MBTI)
Water Intuitive-Feeling (NF)
Fire Sensing-Perceiving (SP)
Earth Sensing-Judging (SJ)
Air Intuitive-Thinking (NT)

And here's another interesting observation:

According to the Empedocles, a Greek philosopher, scientist and healer who lived in Sicily in the fifth century B.C., all matter is comprised of four "roots" or elements of earth, air, fire and water. Fire and air are outwardly reaching elements, reaching up and out, whereas earth and water turn inward and downward.

Of course, the Slytherin and Hufflepuff common rooms are downstairs (dungeons, under the kitchens) and the Ravenclaw and Gryffindor common rooms are up in the towers. As Rowling herself has admitted to designing the common rooms after each house's element, this is certainly no accident.

[lordrrr]

I'm not like super hugely into Harry Potter, but I do like the books and movies and world, and consider myself a fan.

[oppugno1215]

May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.

[Jgib5328]

May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.

Fred & George are either ENFP or ESFP, I don't see McGonagall as an E, but I dunno. Molly Weasley is definitely a ESFJ. Percy isn't extroverted, he is an ISTJ or INTJ, but more likely an ISTJ.

[Solaris]

May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.

Fred & George are either ENFP or ESFP, I don't see McGonagall as an E, but I dunno. Molly Weasley is definitely a ESFJ. Percy isn't extroverted, he is an ISTJ or INTJ, but more likely an ISTJ.

The twins could be ENTP, as they are extremely inventive. They aren't quite so emotional as an FP type, though they seem more ESFP than ENFP. However, they have more discipline than FPs, so I'm going to still stick with ENTP for them. I think Percy and Mr. Weasley are both ISTJ, though Mr. Weasley has an N-ish non-conformist streak in him. Hagrid seems more scattered than an ISFJ, I'd say ISFP for him.

Of course, they are very fluid characters who change to fit the plot, so it's easy to argue MBTI types for literary characters unless the author plans them to be one way, and one way only. I think the author would have to have a deep, working knowledge of MBTI to successfully portray a character as a consistent type.

[Jgib5328]

The twins could be ENTP, as they are extremely inventive. They aren't quite so emotional as an FP type, though they seem more ESFP than ENFP. However, they have more discipline than FPs, so I'm going to still stick with ENTP for them. I think Percy and Mr. Weasley are both ISTJ, though Mr. Weasley has an N-ish non-conformist streak in him. Hagrid seems more scattered than an ISFJ, I'd say ISFP for him.

Of course, they are very fluid characters who change to fit the plot, so it's easy to argue MBTI types for literary characters unless the author plans them to be one way, and one way only. I think the author would have to have a deep, working knowledge of MBTI to successfully portray a character as a consistent type.

Oh yeah ENTP def for the twins. I said ESFP because they seem to be the party types who like to have a lot of fun, but ENTPs are like that too. I thought Hagrid was an ESFP, but I guess he could be introverted. He is def an SFP though regardless.

[Antares]

I took a several 'sorting hat quizzes' and I'm usually Slytherine or Ravenclaw. I'd say I'm a combination of both. I have Slytherin's cunning and ambition and Ravenclaw's intellectual-craze.

As for the more controversial characters, my personal judgments are:

Snape - INTJ
Dumbledore - INTJ
Voldemort/Riddle - INTJ
Harry - ISFP
Hermione - ISTJ
Ron - ESFP (Is that why I can't stand him?)
Twins - ENTP
Percy - ISTJ
McGonagall - ISTJ
Draco - ESTP

Entirely debateable :)

[Jgib5328]

I took a several 'sorting hat quizzes' and I'm usually Slytherine or Ravenclaw. I'd say I'm a combination of both. I have Slytherin's cunning and ambition and Ravenclaw's intellectual-craze.

As for the more controversial characters, my personal judgments are:

Snape - INTJ
Dumbledore - INTJ
Voldemort/Riddle - INTJ
Harry - ISFP
Hermione - ISTJ
Ron - ESFP (Is that why I can't stand him?)
Twins - ENTP
Percy - ISTJ
McGonagall - ISTJ
Draco - ESTP

Entirely debateable :)

I just think Hermione is ISFJ. She seems too sensitive and is influenced a lot by here feelings.

[Antares]

I just think Hermione is ISFJ. She seems too sensitive and is influenced a lot by here feelings.

But I saw her more 'major' decisions influenced by her thoughts. Even I let my emotions influence my minor decisions. She's very sensitive, yes... Which might put her as ISFJ. You know, I think it's very convincing that Ron's ESFP, but I just can't figure out for the life of me, being such a strong F, he can still manage to be so emotionally insensitive.

[Jgib5328]

But I saw her more 'major' decisions influenced by her thoughts. Even I let my emotions influence my minor decisions. She's very sensitive, yes... Which might put her as ISFJ. You know, I think it's very convincing that Ron's ESFP, but I just can't figure out for the life of me, being such a strong F, he can still manage to be so emotionally insensitive.

He is def ESP, he is more fun loving though so he could be an ESFP. He could just be really underdeveloped as a person, he has that 'caring for others' F thing going though, even if he can be emotionally insensitive. Most of the times it's because he is offended by what others do. Like when he was mean to Hermione because she was going to the ball with Viktor Crum. Also his hissy fit with Harry about him thinking Harry lied to him.

[Antares]

Now let me analyze my favorite character: Draco Malfoy :P It's actually Tom Riddle, but he's just too... 'deranged' to be analyzed normally.

ESTPs are spontaneous, active folks. Like the other SPs, ESTPs get great satisfaction from acting on their impulses. Activities involving great power, speed, thrill and risk are attractive to the ESTP. Chronic stifling of these impulses makes the ESTP feel "dead inside."

Spontaneous, sure. Thrill... He likes quidditch? I don't think he's as restless as the last sentence describes though.

Gamesmanship is the calling card of the ESTP. Persons of this type have a natural drive to best the competition. Some of the most successful salespersons are ESTPs. P.T. Barnum ("Never give a sucker an even break") illustrates the unscrupulous contingent of this type.

He's been trying to beat Harry for years at Quidditch. Not sure about him being a salesman.

Almost unconsciously the ESTP looks for nonverbal, nearly subliminal cues as to what makes her quarry "tick." Once she knows, she waits for just the right time to trump the unsuspecting victim's ace and glory in her conquest. Oddly enough, the ESTP seems to admire and respect anyone who can beat her at her own game.

He does know to hit where it hurts and he's successful most of the time, and would have always succeeded if Hermione didn't restrain Harry.

"If I was any better, I couldn't stand it!" To an ESTP, admission of weakness feels like failure. He admires strength in himself and in others.

The whole thing about pretending to be strong and trying cruciatus on Harry when he was found crying ;)

"Shock effect" is a favored technique of this type to get the attention of his audience. ESTPs love to be at center stage, demonstrating feats of wonder and daring.

Jealous of Harry's fame, showing off for Pansy etc

These are the ultimate realists. Extraverted Sensors are at one with objects and experiences now, in the only living, pulsing moment that ever really exists. The Sensor is compelled to see, touch, taste, smell and feel all that moves, wafts, tingles, tinkles, scintillates, vibrates or resonates.

Tend to be short-sighted, does not see the consequences of joining Voldemort. Goes for cheap thrills and momentary 'glory'.

The ESTP preference for mental, physical and emotional toughness surely can be traced to this detached, rational function.

He's tough... Or he tries to be.

Though only a minor character, Feeling plays an important role in a favorite pastime of ESTPs. This is not to say that ESTPs don't care deeply for others, yet Feeling is such a ready hand-puppet, expedient in disarming the "victim" and exposing the jugular. Sincere Feeling is tertiary and thus relatively simplistic in this type. As such, it can be the undoing of ESTPs at the hands of those they (perhaps unconsciously) come to trust.

He's quite emotionally shallow and even though he cares deeply for his parents, he does not show it.

In the inferior (fourth) position, intuition may be virtually absent much of the time. Haziness of inner, symbolic vision is the psychic price of the clarity of sensory awareness. As do other SPs, ESTPs reserve a certain "gut" sense of timing and luck. When repression and stress empower the Shadow, it likely finds expression through intuition in stereotypic perceptions of groups and individuals whom it perceives and hostile or hurtful.

Virtually absent... I see that 'hole' of intuition in him. He clearly lacks it.

He's a relatively minor character and we don't have insights into his psyche as we do Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny etc. Because he does not hang around Harry, and the plot is centered around Harry, we see a little of his 'real' personality (except for the episode in the train, but he was clearly acting and showing off, perhaps reflecting the ESTP need to be on the 'center stage'). I think, based on limited exposures, it'd be safe to conclude that he's ESTP.

[Monika]

I love this thread and it seems like a very good opportunity to practice personality typing, so here goes...

Harry : ISFP
As an ISFP his dominant function would be Fi which fits very well I think. People with Fi as dominant are supposed to be very accepting of others (Harry hangs out with a gang of misfits). While most people will not know them intimately (hardly anybody around Harry really knows what he's going through), an Fi dominant person tends to know a lot about the personal problems of others without being told. I guess some of what Harry gets to know is by chance - like finding out the story of Neville's parents before anyone else. But there are some things, especially as he matures, which clearly come from within him - in book7 he summarizes Lupin's insecurities very accurately, in book6 he notices Draco's tension whilst others seem to be blind to it. Finally, one of the most important qualities of Fi is having very strong, non-negotiable moral values (there may be few of them, but what's there is extremely strong) and I think this is the core of Harry, isn't it? That's why despite all the similarities to Voldemort that he has, Voldemort cannot sway him - Dumbledore repeatedly touches upon Harry's moral integrity.
I'm a little less sure of the auxiliary function. I liked the argument that as a Quidditch player Harry would have had to have strong Se - it makes a lot of sense, so I'm going with that ;) And I think Harry generally seems to be very perceptive of his environment in a very sensory way. But I can see the N argument too. The way he comes to some conclusions (for example that Draco Malfoy is a Death Eater) is very N-like, though I'd say more Ni than Ne (which would be his auxiliary if he was an INFP). So rather than typing him as a IxFP, I'll say that he's an ISFP with a strongly developed tertiary function (which would be Ni for an ISFP - that fits, right?).

Hermione : ISTJ
Her dominant function in this case would be Si, which makes a lot of sense. She's forever recalling past events step by step, in minute detail and trying to find solutions to new problems by comparing them to old ones. So that's totally Si. I can kind of see where people are coming from when they're typing her as N, but I think that the solutions and data systems she comes up with are always very linear and strongly based in fact. Sometimes, particularly in later books, she seems to think a bit more "out of the box", but for the most part she takes more conventional routes. So I'd tend to attribute the "out of the box" bit as natural character development due to the experiences she has with Harry and Ron.
Her auxiliary has to be Te IMO! :) She feels a clear need to put everything in the outside world into logical, organized structures (which drives Harry and Ron crazy) and her way of arguing anything is always very logical and structured. I see some have typed her as F, but if she was an ISFJ she'd be using Fe as her auxiliary. That would mean she'd be very concerned with social conventions and making people around her happy, which IMO she's not. Her behaviour is IMO more Fi than Fe which would be her tertiary function as a ISTJ. So like with Harry I'll just assume that her tertiary function is rather developed.

Ron : ESFP
Anyone with Se as dominant is supposed to live very much in the here and now, be fidgety and get bored easilly. Also like with Harry I guess Se would help Ron a lot with Quidditch. I'm actually not sure if what I know about Se fits Ron 100%, but I can't make a good argument for any of the other functions being dominant, so this will have to do :P
Fi would be the supporting one which I think fits because under the surface Ron actually has some very strong values when it comes to family and friends.

Dumbledore : INFJ
I think there's no doubt that Dumbledore's dominant function is Ni, it just has to be! :)
The doubt (after Deathly Hallows) is whether he's an F or not, but IMO yes. Dumbledore, for all his querks, actually makes a lot of effort to maintain harmony amongst people. You see him pulling crackers at Christmas feasts, going off to bars in Hogsmeade regularly, forcing Sirius and Snape to shake hands etc. These are all very Fe kind of things. The non-negotiable hidden moral values thing is Fi and for an INFJ that would come down in 6th place. Furthermore, I don't think there's that much evidence of Dumbledore using Te. A lot of the times when he's talking to Harry he's actually talking about and explaining people concepts. Also, a combination of Ni with Fe is probably the most powerful combination you could have as far as understanding people goes and I think that's Dumbledore's forte!

Voldemort : INTJ or INTP
With Voldemort I'm very hesitant as to whether he's an INTJ or INTP (Ni with Te or Ti with Ne). The way he puts his plans into action, you would think there must be some Te influencing him strongly - I even toyed with the idea that he could be an ENTJ (cause then the Te would be dominant), but Dumbledore repeatedly underlines that Voldemort works alone, so that doesn't work. So if you think of it this way it would have to be INTJ.
On the other hand the bizzarre thing is that I would find it hard to refer to something in the book where I could say without doubt that Voldemort is using Te. I find it easier to point to things where he seems to be using Ti. For example when Dumbledore first meets him in the orphanage and gets a glimpse of the real Voldemort under the mask, Tom Riddle starts wondering aloud about which of his parents was magical, coming to the conclusion that it had to be his father because his mother wouldn't have died. This isn't a logical, objective structure in the way that Te would be. It is a very subjective sort of logic - I think more Ti-like.
But I also feel that Voldemort is just too screwed up to type properly :p

Snape : INTJ
His dominant function has to be Ni I think. There were quite a few things he "just knew" like the time when Harry helped Sirius escape. He knew it, even though he couldn't explain it.
I think it's impossible for Snape to be an 'F' because his auxiliary would be Fe. He doesn't make any effort to keep to social conventions or make sure there is harmony amongst the people around him, so that's just not plausible. It has to be Te.
As an INTJ his tertiary function would be Fi though, so we can assume he developed that to a large degree as he matured.

[ShaiGar]

One definitive vote for Fred and George being ENTP's.
Being an ENTP I recognised a lot of my stuff in them. Especially when fred gets topped and when they start fighting authority.

[azelismia]

Many people dubbed Snape as INTJ, but almost his entire life was dedicated to a dead person - Lily, and I think it's quite a feeler thing to do. She's dead, and there's nothing he can do about it, but he eventually gives his life to her memory. He also unfairly treats Harry and Ron, bends rules because he felt like it. I also agree that Voldemort should be INTJ. I've seen him put as an INTP, but he's far too good at planning to be INTP. Him framing Hagrid was almost too 'J'. I rather think Luna is INFP. She believes in strange things that don't exist and is quite fundamentalist about them, and her father, like her, thinks Hermione is 'close minded' (she is, but she's also right about the strange creatures they believe in).


I think voldemort is an Fj of some sort. his entire mission is based on feeling. there isn't any logic behind it. there is no logical reason for his mass murders.

[sriv]

I think voldemort is an Fj of some sort. his entire mission is based on feeling. there isn't any logic behind it. there is no logical reason for his mass murders.

Immortality, absolute power, and sadism are not qualities feelers tend to go for.

[Szarra]

Percy isn't extroverted, he is an ISTJ or INTJ, but more likely an ISTJ.
Huh? Just because Percy doesn't want to be around his family doesn't mean he's introverted. He loves to be in the spotlight. He craves it. That's why he took the job working as the Minister's right-hand toady. He was angry that his father didn't try to move up in the ministry, even though Mr. Weasley could have done so easily. He's an egotistical prig. Another example is when he kept showing off his prefect's badge and when he made Head Boy. He wanted anyone and everyone to notice.

I see Hagrid as more introverted. He likes to be around certain people yes, but not everyone. He feels uncomfortable when everyone's attention is on him. I think he wants to be more extroverted but can't quite pull it off. So, he runs off to the woods when things get sticky.

[ShaiGar]

Immortality, absolute power, and sadism are not qualities feelers tend to go for.
Hitler

[azelismia]

Immortality, absolute power, and sadism are not qualities feelers tend to go for.


there is nothing about those qualities that are more thinker than feeler. what is rational about any of those activities?

[Antares]

there is nothing about those qualities that are more thinker than feeler. what is rational about any of those activities?

Nothing, but most feelers I know are more dogmatic and fundie about their values. Anyone with strong moral values would not engage in such an act, but it also depends on their 'moral' values.

[azelismia]

Nothing, but most feelers I know are more dogmatic and fundie about their values. Anyone with strong moral values would not engage in such an act, but it also depends on their 'moral' values.


yes if you're around fundies they probably aren't going to be that way but there are feelers who are on the "dark" side as well. I don't see why the dark side is attributed to NT's. I can see it as far as furthering science goes because so many fundies consider that devils work and thereof villianise it, but really mad heinous acts are never the work of a rational mind.

[Antares]

yes if you're around fundies they probably aren't going to be that way but there are feelers who are on the "dark" side as well. I don't see why the dark side is attributed to NT's. I can see it as far as furthering science goes because so many fundies consider that devils work and thereof villianise it, but really mad heinous acts are never the work of a rational mind.

I think Voldemort just bought into the pureblood dogma, or he hated muggles (not surprising why). I think his other acts are logical, and we're defined by how we tend to act, not our cause of us acting this way. So even if the cause of his campaign is emotional, we cannot say he's an F based on that.

[EsoteriEccentri]

I think F types are more likely to get caught up in the "dark side," simply because they tend to get more caught up in intense emotions and (betraying myself by admitting this) tend to be less rational about them.
They also seem to get disillusioned with the world far more easily, and find it harder to let go of things and move on.

Lots of the villains in books seem to be INTJs that don't know how to control their Fi, so F does seem to be "evil" because it can get out of hand so easily.

Also, F types tend to be more subjective and I see evil as subjective anyhow, so an F type may be able to convince themselves that what they do is okay.

After all, Hitler was an F type. I've heard him typed as ENFJ, ENFP, INFP, ISFP... whichever type it is, I think there is no doubt that he was a feeler.

Being an F type doesn't mean you can't be logical! Just the same as being a T type doesn't mean you don't have feelings. So the cause of his campaign being emotional does actually suggest that he is a feeler.

[Solaris]

Huh? Just because Percy doesn't want to be around his family doesn't mean he's introverted. He loves to be in the spotlight. He craves it. That's why he took the job working as the Minister's right-hand toady. He was angry that his father didn't try to move up in the ministry, even though Mr. Weasley could have done so easily. He's an egotistical prig. Another example is when he kept showing off his prefect's badge and when he made Head Boy. He wanted anyone and everyone to notice.

I see Hagrid as more introverted. He likes to be around certain people yes, but not everyone. He feels uncomfortable when everyone's attention is on him. I think he wants to be more extroverted but can't quite pull it off. So, he runs off to the woods when things get sticky.

Classic ISTJ status-seeking behavior. That has nothing to do with being E. Those are all "hey look what a good part of the establishment I am!" characteristics.

[Szarra]

Classic ISTJ status-seeking behavior. That has nothing to do with being E. Those are all "hey look what a good part of the establishment I am!" characteristics.

I can definetly see the STJ part of Percy but still not sure about the I. Going by this, (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) I'm still more inclined to see the E.

Extraverts enjoy social interactions and tend to be enthusiastic, verbal, assertive, and animated.
VS
Introverts tend to be quiet, peaceful and deliberate and are not attracted to social interactions.

The same website calls the ISTJ the "examiner" and the ESTJ the "overseer". To me, that says that the ISTJ wants everyone to follow the rules, while the ESTJ makes sure everyone follows the rules.

[sriv]

Hitler

there is nothing about those qualities that are more thinker than feeler. what is rational about any of those activities?

Hitler was certifiable (-ly insane).
F's tend to have a better sense of morals.

[azelismia]

Hitler was certifiable (-ly insane).
F's tend to have a better sense of morals.


I don't think they do. I think the whole Nt's are evil genius and F's are pure and moral is bullchit cliche. I think any evil genius villian isn't really evil genius but is insane. there is NOTHING sane about voldemort. nor is there anything sane about any mass murderer. Humans who have normal functioning brains don't do that sort of thing.

[Uberfuhrer]

I can't think of Fred and George being anything but ENTPs. They aren't promoters, they're inventors.

Strategy is an NT thing, actually. With that said, I think Voldemort is either an INTJ or ENTP, and Snape is a hardcore INTJ; I can't understand anyone who says otherwise. His loyalty is very much in line with INTJs -- where exactly do people get the idea that INTJs lack loyalty? And his romantic attachment to Lily is also quite INTJ -- after all, INTJs are the most NF-like of the Rationals.

Harry is an ISFP. Neville seems rather INFP, maybe ISFJ, but he's generally too absent-minded to be an S or a J. Ron is likely an ISFJ.

Hermione certainly exhibits strong ISTJ characteristics, but she also tends to be more interested in theory than practice in her intellectual endeavors, which could slide her closer to N. That coupled with her insistence on following rules pretty much makes her a J. (Although, in all fairness, I don't think an NT would necessarily be above following the rules.)

I, too, think Percy is more an ESTJ.

[Snowdragon]

Actually Harry is an INFP. Snape-INTJ.

[Antares]

I think Hermione was ISFJ. My ISFJ friend is a very conscientious student and earn high marks; she's usually logical, but when faced with emotional issues, like Hermione, they show their Fe. I think how she acted with Viktor Krum and Ron was completely irrational. I think she was just trying to make him jealous.

And also, I think Ron is ESFP.