The genuis Glenn Beck and the media using NLP

[timetraveler]

Whether you are Democrat or a Republican, you probably know that Glenn Beck has millions of viewers and enough influence over these viewers to actually cause people in the Obama admin to resign. Beyond the politics of left and right what is interesting is Glenn Becks brilliant use of neuro linguistic programming to influence viewers of his show. No other talkshow host uses it as well as he does.

Glenn Beck is not the only one who uses NLP, while Glenn Beck in my opinion is the best at it there are many in the media who use NLP. Obama also uses neuro linguistic programming, this is why he seemed to rise up and win the Presidency in the way he did. He worked stadium sized crowds and applied many of the techniques of neuro linguistic programming to those crowds. This is part of being a good/smart politician.

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So the question for any of you who study this, have you noticed that Glenn Beck uses NLP?


To those who don't know what NLP is, it's a form of conversational hypnosis. It allows you to give subconscious and subliminal commands to the individual.

[INTJRyan]

Or his audience is made up largely of impressionable idiots who are predisposed to accept what he says.

[Causa Mortis]

Or his audience is made up largely of impressionable idiots who are predisposed to accept what he says.

NLP doesn't work on sophisticated people, and if they recognize it they will usually get pissed. Thus that most of his audience are not terribly bright is not a surprise - he annoys most people capable of thinking for themselves.

[topher]

Or his audience is made up largely of impressionable idiots who are predisposed to accept what he says.

I'm part of his audience... but I do find myself agreeing with you... hmm...
[/irony]

Anyway, you're right. No one with half a brain or more (Republican or Democrat) takes a word out of Glenn Beck's mouth at face value.

Lesson to learn:
If you get pulled over,
(1) Ask your cop if he watches Glenn Beck.
(2) If he says yes, do something like this:
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[polaroid]

When I watch Glenn Beck, I start to get nauseous. Maybe that's the NLP failing.

[IrishGuy]

I donno, I am not really persuaded by Glenn Beck, nor Obama for that matter. When I see them I tend to focus on the flaws in what they are saying (kind of "oh that might work, but this, this, and this need to happen first/instead"). Although, Glenn Beck does have one advantage over Obama; if I ever swallow something toxic and need to induce vomiting; Glenn Beck is my man.

So perhaps the NLP is backfiring?

[Grimstad]

I’m sorry. I just can’t give Beck that much credit. The whole analysis seemed a little paranoid to me. Everything he examined seemed quite innocuous to me. I know that’s the trick but still. Beck doesn’t need to be the Great Mesmer for his message / delivery to appeal to his audience. Rush Limbaugh does it over the radio.

[IrishGuy]

I’m sorry. I just can’t give Beck that much credit. The whole analysis seemed a little paranoid to me. Everything he examined seemed quite innocuous to me. I know that’s the trick but still. Beck doesn’t need to be the Great Mesmer for his message / delivery to appeal to his audience. Rush Limbaugh does it over the radio.

I agree as well, most of what Beck was doing I recognize as things that I was taught from my Public Speaking class. Hand gestures are meant to convey meaning and emphasis. There's not much brainwashing going on there I don't think. Imagine how awkward it would look if Beck just stood there, stiff as a log, with his hands at his sides the whole time. All of that stuff is just meant to convey meaning, I don't see much that's subliminal or deceptive about it. I mean he could be lying but that's not subliminal communication. It's just lying.

[cruiseingheart]

Very interesting!

Im studying NLP and what I noticed was Becks body language in comparisson to the other guy.
I noticed how crazy he was moving his arms and his big smile on his face and his voice tonality. I knew something was not right. I felt like Becks was up to something. I would have felt very nervous around someone like that. I was studying the bodylanguage so much I did not notice the embedded command that Becks was saying.
Even when the other guy fainted Becks still had a smile on his face
This again proves that when people respond more to body language than the persons voice.
Obahma is full of NLP whether he's trained in it or not he is very aware of how he can influence people.
I have been told that NLP is how to use the language of the mind to consistantly acheive what we want.

[timetraveler]

I agree as well, most of what Beck was doing I recognize as things that I was taught from my Public Speaking class. Hand gestures are meant to convey meaning and emphasis. There's not much brainwashing going on there I don't think. Imagine how awkward it would look if Beck just stood there, stiff as a log, with his hands at his sides the whole time. All of that stuff is just meant to convey meaning, I don't see much that's subliminal or deceptive about it. I mean he could be lying but that's not subliminal communication. It's just lying.

Thats because you never studied hypnosis. He doesn't use ordinary hand gestures, he uses powerful hand gestures. He uses direct and indirect suggestions, and his show is filled with subliminal messages. Watch his show and you can see at the bottom of the screen the messages scroll across, that is no accident. Nothing Glenn Beck is doing is an accident and its not an accident that his show is the most watched news show.

Whether you like Glenn Beck or not, you have to respect his skills at NLP.

NLP is not just a matter of language but it's conversational hypnosis. I wont explain it further in this thread but I can explain in private if you are interested. For those in search of just the facts the founder of covert hypnosis(conversational hypnosis) is Milton H. Erickson. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and here is a live session To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. so that you can see the techniques used match that which became known as NLP. NLP is just the evolution of this form of hypnosis. And because most people don't know what it is, or don't believe they can by hypnotized, they are completely open to suggestion.

Only someone who knows whats going on or who completely distrusts the hypnotist can be immune. The reason you got physically ill when watching Glenn Beck is because you didn't trust him, but his hypnosis techniques did work on you and that is what made you ill. Had you trusted him you'd probably be under his spell rather than feel ill, because if you feel anything at all in response to him it's evidence that you are open to his suggestions.

[blueback]

I dunno. I've read about NLP before and I only saw a couple of references to it described by the narrator. Is there any information available on whether or not the guy had a preexisting condition that would cause him to faint?

[Ray9]

Neuro linguistic programming? Hmmmm.... So Glenn Beck isn't actually making sense? He's using black magic or witchcraft to control his mindless, challenged listeners? Gee, I never thought of it that way. He's using some dark, arcane, esoteric, mesmerizing tool to manipulate my tiny IQ?. And all the time I thought he was just masterfully countering and logically refuting the drivel being vomited on the American public by the progessive, left-wing news media that dominates the airwaves. Boy, it's a good thing I was made aware of this. First we got "recovered memories" then we got "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" and now we got Neuro linguistic programming. What'll they think of next? I guess now's the time I convert to being a liberal. Don't hold your breath.

[polaroid]

Thats because you never studied hypnosis. He doesn't use ordinary hand gestures, he uses powerful hand gestures. He uses direct and indirect suggestions, and his show is filled with subliminal messages. Watch his show and you can see at the bottom of the screen the messages scroll across, that is no accident. Nothing Glenn Beck is doing is an accident and its not an accident that his show is the most watched news show.

Whether you like Glenn Beck or not, you have to respect his skills at NLP.

NLP is not just a matter of language but it's conversational hypnosis. I wont explain it further in this thread but I can explain in private if you are interested. For those in search of just the facts the founder of covert hypnosis(conversational hypnosis) is Milton H. Erickson. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and here is a live session To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. so that you can see the techniques used match that which became known as NLP. NLP is just the evolution of this form of hypnosis. And because most people don't know what it is, or don't believe they can by hypnotized, they are completely open to suggestion.

Only someone who knows whats going on or who completely distrusts the hypnotist can be immune. The reason you got physically ill when watching Glenn Beck is because you didn't trust him, but his hypnosis techniques did work on you and that is what made you ill. Had you trusted him you'd probably be under his spell rather than feel ill, because if you feel anything at all in response to him it's evidence that you are open to his suggestions.

Your post sounds very paranoid to me. I don't know if all of what you're saying is true/false, and I don't mean to call you paranoid in general. It's just that this post screams crop circles.

Also, I think that of Glenn Beck was that smart, this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) wouldn't have happened...





polaroid added to this post, 1 minutes and 45 seconds later...

Neuro linguistic programming? Hmmmm.... So Glenn Beck isn't actually making sense? He's using black magic or witchcraft to control his mindless, challenged listeners? Gee, I never thought of it that way. He's using some dark, arcane, esoteric, mesmerizing tool to manipulate my tiny IQ?.

Good job misunderstanding what NLP means.

It's not magic or anything to do with magic.

Or at least, I thought so until I got to this part:

And all the time I thought he was just masterfully countering and logically refuting the drivel being vomited on the American public by the progessive, left-wing news media that dominates the airwaves. Boy, it's a good thing I was made aware of this. First we got "recovered memories" then we got "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" and now we got Neuro linguistic programming. What'll they think of next? I guess now's the time I convert to being a liberal. Don't hold your breath.

[Aristocrat Porn]

That's all pretty interesting you know, turning one of the most basic concepts of human interaction, which is using hand and overall body gestures as you talk to enhance communication and making it out to be some kind of complicated hypnotic trick.

Who wouldve thought all those extreme extroverts were all evil all along?




Aristocrat Porn added to this post, 5 minutes and 7 seconds later...


NLP is not just a matter of language but it's conversational hypnosis. I wont explain it further in this thread.

Bummer. I was hoping you would do that and then maybe tell us a bit about time traveling and what not and while you are it at have a go at enlightening us of the truth about 9/11.

[timetraveler]

Neuro linguistic programming? Hmmmm.... So Glenn Beck isn't actually making sense? He's using black magic or witchcraft to control his mindless, challenged listeners? Gee, I never thought of it that way. He's using some dark, arcane, esoteric, mesmerizing tool to manipulate my tiny IQ?. And all the time I thought he was just masterfully countering and logically refuting the drivel being vomited on the American public by the progessive, left-wing news media that dominates the airwaves. Boy, it's a good thing I was made aware of this. First we got "recovered memories" then we got "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" and now we got Neuro linguistic programming. What'll they think of next? I guess now's the time I convert to being a liberal. Don't hold your breath.

Not so fast, liberals use it too. Haven't you listened to Barack Obama or Bill Clinton speak?
It's not about left and right, the media in general wants to control your mind. In my experience it has always been the people who don't believe they can be hypnotized or who don't believe in the power of suggestion who are the most susceptible to it. This is because their guard and BS filter is completely down.

They look at a guy like Glenn Beck, Barack Obama, or whomever and they think "this guy agrees with me, this guy is like me" because perhaps the guy agrees on an issue or on a few issues. This 1st step in NLP building rapport.




Your post sounds very paranoid to me. I don't know if all of what you're saying is true/false, and I don't mean to call you paranoid in general. It's just that this post screams crop circles.

It's not paranoid at all. The media has been using subliminal messages in ads for years, are you going to say I'm paranoid because I think the corporate media wants to hypnotize and control our minds? Go ahead and call me paranoid and trust the ads if you like. I think it's reasonable to believe that Glenn Beck or any of these guys will do or say anything to increase their ratings and if the techniques of NLP allow them to have millions of viewers, they'd use it.

Has nothing to do with crop circles.





timetraveler added to this post, 6 minutes and 49 seconds later...


Bummer. I was hoping you would do that and then maybe tell us a bit about time traveling and what not and while you are it at have a go at enlightening us of the truth about 9/11.

You can trust me or you can trust Glenn Beck. The difference is I'm not being paid while Glenn Beck gets paid to keep your attention on him. If you had that job wouldn't you use every possible technique you could to influence your viewers? It's not all that different than when you watch a movie the main characters favorite drink happens to be Coke and their favorite food just happens to be Mc Donalds, sure it could all be a conspiracy theory to think that corporations will pay off the movie maker and use subliminal ads to increase their profits. You are free to believe I'm a 911 truther if you like.

In my opinion the people who are 911 truthers are being mesmerized by Alex Jones. So yes you can watch Glenn Beck, Alex Jones or Barack Obama and all three want to influence you with subliminal messages and the only difference is the level of skill. I will create another thread in psychology for the discussion of how NLP works and why it works and leave this thread to focus on the medias use of it. If you don't believe NLP and hypnosis is real then ask yourself why you are even reading this thread?

If you do think it's real or if you've experienced it either through application or on the receiving end then we can learn a lot about the subject through this thread.

[Ool]

NLP doesn't work on sophisticated people, and if they recognize it they will usually get pissed. Thus that most of his audience are not terribly bright is not a surprise - he annoys most people capable of thinking for themselves.

Yeah, it’s quite a bit outrageous that he accuses Democrats of being the new Nazis after it was the last administrations who invaded countries under false pretenses. Hitler didn’t exactly get into power promising healthcare reform. He was more like Bush, promising in his campaign that he’d make the enemies of his country feel sorry, and educated people know that.

What’s more, no one has more of a Goebbels and a Ministry for Enlightenment and Propaganda feel about him than Beck and the network he works for. So it’s really mostly dumb people, who know nothing about history whatsoever who are duped by this man.

The genius lies in recognizing that there is no shortage of these dumb masses, however, and in riling them up with the Rovean strategy of attacking the enemy by their strength rather than their weakness and pre-emptively accusing them of being exactly what fits mostly your own description. It makes the other side sound stupid and unimaginative when they counter, “no, it’s actually you who are the Nazis much more than us.” It’s brilliant as far as winning over those who know nothing, like a good show, and just want something to be outraged about…


There are limits. He won’t get minorities on his side, of which there are much more in the US than there ever were in places where a crazy cult could actually turn into mainstream politics to the point where it took over everything and brought the whole country down. But then, taking over the country is not his goal—just rabble-rousing and making a lot of money by sabotaging reform and keeping the nation in a banana republic state, maybe with a few riots, all of which he can then blame on the other side…

[IrishGuy]

Only someone who knows whats going on or who completely distrusts the hypnotist can be immune. The reason you got physically ill when watching Glenn Beck is because you didn't trust him, but his hypnosis techniques did work on you and that is what made you ill.

The "being ill" stuff was sarcasm :)

I've never been much of a believer in hypnosis (might be one of those resistant people) but I did actually go to watch a hypnotist hypnotize a group of people in front of an audience one time. Someone in the crowd apparently became "hypnotized" and the hypnotist woke the guy up and then put him back to sleep with his "sleep inducing marshmallow firing dart gun." Regardless of the validity of the hypnosis etc. it was funny as hell.





IrishGuy added to this post, 19 minutes and 39 seconds later...

Also, I think that of Glenn Beck was that smart, this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) wouldn't have happened...

HA! That's funny. The danger of writing on a television show.....the evil liberal plan is working! Glenn Beck is becoming dumber by the minute!:devilish:

[Ool]

HA! That's funny. The danger of writing on a television show.....the evil liberal plan is working! Glenn Beck is becoming dumber by the minute!:devilish:

The first time I heard of the guy was when he asked a newly elected American politician who happened to be Muslim to prove that he wasn’t a Manchurian candidate for the Taliban or something. That was while he was still on CNN. I never heard of him when he wasn’t being stupid and crazy, so apparently it’s become his schtick and his claim to fame…

[Krazy P]

Anyone who is good at communication uses these techniques. A fancy name doesn't change anything. From the dawn of civilization, tribes have been using repetitive vocalization, hand motions, music, scent and other experiential reinforcement to tap into specie level responses.

As far as all the left/right bashing going on, can we stop with the stereotypes?

The actual data suggests that conservatives are more informed of the facts of political debate (which makes sense because conservatives tend to be older and spend more time on the issues, know who their congressman and senators are, can find countries on a map, that sort of thing). That doesn't make their ideas better or arguments more persuasive.

Personally, I get tired of the ad hominem attacks. Debate the issues, please.

I am tall, so I must be an idiot doesn't really resonate with me.

[LaoTzu]

Ten more companies reportedly say they won’t advertise on Beck, bringing total to 46 (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Beck's days are numbered...
He'll claim smear and dirty tricks are what did him in, but calling President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people" is the epitome of smear and dirty tricks.



Using psychology and little tricks of the mind isn't all bad IMO. It's a good tool to use when you are selling something. It's not really honorable of course, but it's not wrong.

[Causa Mortis]

Ten more companies reportedly say they won’t advertise on Beck, bringing total to 46 (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Beck's days are numbered...
He'll claim smear and dirty tricks are what did him in, but calling President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people" is the epitome of smear and dirty tricks.



Using psychology and little tricks of the mind isn't all bad IMO. It's a good tool to use when you are selling something. It's not really honorable of course, but it's not wrong.

You forgot that he's bipolar with an average-below average IQ.

Going back to the intelligence level of the Beck supporter:

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[boldbidder]

OK, so I been watching Glen Beck for the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that his NLP is happenstance, not intentional. I notice at least a half dozen times during each broadcast where he does a major major NLP no no, in that you make a negative comment about someone, but you make hand gestures towards yourself while doing so. No trained NLP practitioner would make such a rookie mistake. The correct body language when making a negative comment or one that could result in negative emotional response of your audience is to gesture away from your body, you only gesture towards yourself whenever you reference something that your audience will respond favorably to.

He strikes as most of the cable news talking heads, with the exception of Rachel Maddow who is more of an Oxford educated John Stewart, in that he's high energy, overly animated, and manic in his behavior. Over the course of all this he happens to get some NLP be stuff right, but he's only hitting about 60%. Granted I've only had a moderate amount of NLP training and am certainly no expert, but some of his rookie mistakes were pretty glaring.

[timetraveler]

OK, so I been watching Glen Beck for the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that his NLP is happenstance, not intentional. I notice at least a half dozen times during each broadcast where he does a major major NLP no no, in that you make a negative comment about someone, but you make hand gestures towards yourself while doing so. No trained NLP practitioner would make such a rookie mistake. The correct body language when making a negative comment or one that could result in negative emotional response of your audience is to gesture away from your body, you only gesture towards yourself whenever you reference something that your audience will respond favorably to.

He strikes as most of the cable news talking heads, with the exception of Rachel Maddow who is more of an Oxford educated John Stewart, in that he's high energy, overly animated, and manic in his behavior. Over the course of all this he happens to get some NLP be stuff right, but he's only hitting about 60%. Granted I've only had a moderate amount of NLP training and am certainly no expert, but some of his rookie mistakes were pretty glaring.


It's not just body language that I'm looking at. I'm also looking at the very deliberate use of suggestion on his audience. The fact that he has admitted that hes doing it in various interviews leads me to believe that it's not by accident.

I know that people are going to say that it's just part of running a show and I never denied that being persuasive is part of being a good host. I admitted that Glenn Beck is a genius and the most persuasive of all the hosts. But the reason why he is the most persuasive is his use of NLP which I do see him using even if hes a novice practitioner, and most importantly his use of suggestion which is no accident at all.

In this video hes using suggestion, look at it carefully and listen carefully, he uses suggestion to tell the viewer how to think.

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In this video you look at the bottom of the screen and you see messages about Bernie Madoff scrolling by with the words "fraud", while Glenn Beck talks about Van Jones. If this is not deliberate suggestion/subliminal message I don't know what is. This is like talking about President Obama while playing a video of Osama Bin Laden in the backround. While this is happening Glenn Beck tells the viewer to ask themselves if wealth should be taken from them on the basis of race.

That is the most deliberate example of subliminal messages and suggestion being used by Glenn Beck, if you don't see that then I don't know what to say. His use of NLP very well might be novice but his use of suggestion is the best in the industry. Nobody uses it better than him, not even Obama.

And this is not about politics, I did not create this to start a partisan debate. This is about the bipartisan use of suggestion and NLP by the media. Glenn Beck happens to be the best at it but hes not the only one using it. They all use it and just wish they were as good at it as Glenn Beck.





timetraveler added to this post, 16 minutes and 5 seconds later...

You forgot that he's bipolar with an average-below average IQ.

Going back to the intelligence level of the Beck supporter:

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Insulting their intelligence doesn't change the fact that many of these Beck supporters are highly vulnerable to suggestion. It's not about IQ. What I'm saying is that this isn't a battle between the high IQ elite and the low IQ masses, it's a war for the hearts and minds of all Americans. If you only win the high IQ elite and lose the majority, you lose.

[LaoTzu]

Glenn Beck happens to be the best at it but hes not the only one using it. They all use it and just wish they were as good at it as Glenn Beck.

Have you listened to Hannity?
I ask only because he has admitted, on his radio show, that he has trained in these types of psychological techniques. (He claims no need to use them...). When I heard him say this, I didn't think of the NLP link, it just made me think of Hanoi Hannah... It was a couple years ago, and a fleeting comment.

I've noticed this trend in a lot of conservative talk, the only Lib. talker I see coming close to it is Ed Shultz.

I'm probably confusing mild propaganda with NLP anyway :)

[boldbidder]

It's not just body language that I'm looking at. I'm also looking at the very deliberate use of suggestion on his audience. The fact that he has admitted that hes doing it in various interviews leads me to believe that it's not by accident.

I know that people are going to say that it's just part of running a show and I never denied that being persuasive is part of being a good host. I admitted that Glenn Beck is a genius and the most persuasive of all the hosts. But the reason why he is the most persuasive is his use of NLP which I do see him using even if hes a novice practitioner, and most importantly his use of suggestion which is no accident at all.

In this video hes using suggestion, look at it carefully and listen carefully, he uses suggestion to tell the viewer how to think.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

In this video you look at the bottom of the screen and you see messages about Bernie Madoff scrolling by with the words "fraud", while Glenn Beck talks about Van Jones. If this is not deliberate suggestion/subliminal message I don't know what is. This is like talking about President Obama while playing a video of Osama Bin Laden in the backround. While this is happening Glenn Beck tells the viewer to ask themselves if wealth should be taken from them on the basis of race.

That is the most deliberate example of subliminal messages and suggestion being used by Glenn Beck, if you don't see that then I don't know what to say. His use of NLP very well might be novice but his use of suggestion is the best in the industry. Nobody uses it better than him, not even Obama.

And this is not about politics, I did not create this to start a partisan debate. This is about the bipartisan use of suggestion and NLP by the media. Glenn Beck happens to be the best at it but hes not the only one using it. They all use it and just wish they were as good at it as Glenn Beck.


No question that Glenn Beck uses suggestion very effectively, but NLP specifically has a large body language component, that's more what I was focusing on. It's obvious from his ratings and his legions of supporters that his techniques, no matter what technique they qualify as, are proving largely effective.

[Nameless]

I don't really get NLP, because at times it seems like "They did that! Now lets describe it with 1000 words when it really was something small." For example the cancer part... "Oh he said cancer! That was why he passed out! Maybe he had cancer!" Ridiculous stretch. And then the commenter is like "Or maybe it was just Glenn Beck's superior NLP skills." Uh huh. Also the confusion part at the beginning about the jeans... that was just a short tangent. Maybe GB isn't the best example to comment on. He also was like "The guy knew he was going to pass out, maybe he was a fighter pilot!"... I'm not a fighter pilot but I know when I'm going to pass out too. You don't need something like that to know. I also found it funny how at the end the narrator was like "Many consider me an expert at it (hypnosis)."

My reaction to Glenn Beck is nothing though - I don't connect with him, so his subjects I can't connect to either.

[Lucid]

As far as all the left/right bashing going on, can we stop with the stereotypes?

The actual data suggests that conservatives are more informed of the facts of political debate (which makes sense because conservatives tend to be older and spend more time on the issues, know who their congressman and senators are, can find countries on a map, that sort of thing). That doesn't make their ideas better or arguments more persuasive.

Are you making a joke, or was this unintentionally contradictory?

[Ray9]

Don't look him straight in the eye. He's gonna put you under a spell. <eyeroll> Well, maybe not some because they are smarter than the toothless, inbred morons who cling to their guns like a typical white person. They're more sophisticated than that. They are just accusing him of using some kind of linguistic witchcraft to control the thoughts of the stupid masses. Being part of the stupid masses I just reason that Beck, being a radio personality, is practiced in public speaking. I guess because I apparently lack the sophistication to buy the argument that I am being controlled, I find the accusations to be absurd and laughable.

Someone is obviously very afraid of Beck. The sponsors who withdraw are responding to political pressure but the blade cuts both ways. My guess is that a boycott from Beck supporters will bring them running back like submissive wolves to the pack. Beck's ratings are through the roof.

"Neuro-linguistic programming". Lol. too funny.

[timetraveler]

Don't look him straight in the eye. He's gonna put you under a spell. <eyeroll> Well, maybe not some because they are smarter than the toothless, inbred morons who cling to their guns like a typical white person. They're more sophisticated than that. They are just accusing him of using some kind of linguistic witchcraft to control the thoughts of the stupid masses. Being part of the stupid masses I just reason that Beck, being a radio personality, is practiced in public speaking. I guess because I apparently lack the sophistication to buy the argument that I am being controlled, I find the accusations to be absurd and laughable.

Someone is obviously very afraid of Beck. The sponsors who withdraw are responding to political pressure but the blade cuts both ways. My guess is that a boycott from Beck supporters will bring them running back like submissive wolves to the pack. Beck's ratings are through the roof.

"Neuro-linguistic programming". Lol. too funny.


I never called them stupid. I said highly open to suggestion. Some of the smartest and dumbest are open to suggestion. I suggest you do some research on covert hypnosis, it's real. Milton Erickson, look him up and see for yourself. Now of course if you disagree after you have enough facts(information) to know what NLP and covert hypnosis is then we will have a debate, but right now you are deliberately trying to pull(pull the wool over our eyes) it into the limited Democrat vs Republican, Red vs Blue, Right vs Left worldview essentially trying to reframe the debate even when you don't even understand the debate.

[Ray9]

I understand the debate. Unfortunately this thread has already derailed itself from examining NLP to just plain old Beck bashing.

[eagleseven]

NLP? Suggestion? Hypnosis? Poppycock!

We just call that effective communication. If you don't establish rapport, mimic body stances, and use tonality and gestures to reinforce your point, you are a poor communicator.


Which may explain why some INTJs here have demonized it...

[timetraveler]

NLP? Suggestion? Hypnosis? Poppycock!

We just call that effective communication. If you don't establish rapport, mimic body stances, and use tonality and gestures to reinforce your point, you are a poor communicator.


Which may explain why some INTJs here have demonized it...


Whats with words like Demonize, and Witchcraft, and all this religious BS?

Look Glenn Beck himself said you have to be like Gandalf to beat Obama.

[Coralaisly]

I'm part of his audence because of exactly what he pointed out a few nights ago with a few other things woven in there:

I used to watch NBC and CNN and waffle around on ABC, BBC and so on and so forth. I had been getting more and more fed up with hearing more about pop singers/bashing Bush (ok, we get it... he was from Texas, he has issues with public speaking, and you personally disagree with him. Get the (insert desired explicitive) over it already and let the man be) than the government that is really currently affecting our lives. I had previously hated Fox News in general (I still can't stand O'Riley, but that has more to do with how rude he is to his guest speakers than anything else), but upon sitting back and committing to watch it for an hour with an open mind I realized something (and here's where Glenn's 1000% right) on Fox News, his show in particular is covering things that no one else seems to think are important- Obama's actual words; who he surrounds himself with; ACORN getting baffling amounts of taxpayer money; radicals (whichever side of the political spectrum they may fall on) advising the president and so on and so forth. And this isn't just in the last few months or years either. When I was in middle school in Journalism, I actually did a story on how the media spends so much time on celebrities and so little on the things that actually matter.

And then it hit me: the media wouldn't spend so much time ridiculing Mr. Beck if they weren't afraid of what he has to say. I mean, if he's that much of an unimportant nutjob, why spend all that time trying to embarass him?

[LaoTzu]

if he's that much of an unimportant nutjob, why spend all that time trying to embarass him?

Perhaps he embarrasses his chosen profession? :/

[eagleseven]

Perhaps he embarrasses his chosen profession? :/

Please, tell me what other show is actively investigating Obama's cabinet? Our Democratic Congress isn't doing it, our mainstream media isn't doing it, and for that matter most of Fox isn't doing it.

Yes, Beck gets very emotional and "we're all gonna die", but there simply isn't anyone else asking these hard, and very relevant, questions. Perhaps, just perhaps, if Anderson Cooper dared to question this Administration, he'd have most of Beck's audience.


Where was ABC, NBC, CBS, and the NYT when Obama appointed a 9/11 truther to his cabinet? Busy discussing Mrs. Obama's wardrobe (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)...

[Coralaisly]

Perhaps he embarrasses his chosen profession? :/

I guess that's also entirely possible... but it seems like if that were the case, they would just try and ignore him until he went away... but something in the N part of my INTJ's telling me otherwise.. but.. all of what I say on every post and in every conversation is my opinion, since I don't have much faith in others to give me true, unbiased facts, as I believe that few if any exist (<--facts that cannot be biased or twisted, but that's another topic for another thread) all I, or anyone else can say is opinion, whether you or anyone else agrees with me, is entirely up to them, and I respect them and their opinions and hope for if not expect the same from them. Especially in a setting such as this, filled with capable minds, which is why I posted the above.





Coralaisly added to this post, 13 minutes and 47 seconds later...

Please, tell me what other show is actively investigating Obama's cabinet? Our Democratic Congress isn't doing it, our mainstream media isn't doing it, and for that matter most of Fox isn't doing it.

Yes, Beck gets very emotional and "we're all gonna die", but there simply isn't anyone else asking these hard, and very relevant, questions. Perhaps, just perhaps, if Anderson Cooper dared to question this Administration, he'd have most of Beck's audience.


Where was ABC, NBC, CBS, and the NYT when Obama appointed a 9/11 truther to his cabinet? Busy discussing Mrs. Obama's wardrobe (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)...

This is also very true. I get really tired of hearing Obama skirt issues too. It really annoyed me that durring his healthcare speach all he touched on was the (mostly) already debunked topics of illegal immigrants and 'death comittees' I wanted to see that he'd finally decided that the people who elected him deserve to have him condescend to our lowly levels and talk about things that really matter, like how long are we going to have to wait for necessary tests, is there going to be a priority system of who gets care when, etc etc..

I kind of appreciate that Beck gets emotional. While I do think he goes a bit overboard occasionally, but it shows that he really cares about what he does. And because of those hard questions that Mr. Obama doesn't want to answer, it's no wonder he's going on all the other channels and excluding Fox. He doesn't want to be asked the questions that matter.

I'm so sick of having so many 'news' shows tell us about fashion/pop 'culture'. If I want to know who's wearing what, I'll buy a fashion magazine, but I don't. I want to hear the NEWS.

[timetraveler]

I guess that's also entirely possible... but it seems like if that were the case, they would just try and ignore him until he went away... but something in the N part of my INTJ's telling me otherwise.. but.. all of what I say on every post and in every conversation is my opinion, since I don't have much faith in others to give me true, unbiased facts, as I believe that few if any exist (<--facts that cannot be biased or twisted, but that's another topic for another thread) all I, or anyone else can say is opinion, whether you or anyone else agrees with me, is entirely up to them, and I respect them and their opinions and hope for if not expect the same from them. Especially in a setting such as this, filled with capable minds, which is why I posted the above.





Coralaisly added to this post, 13 minutes and 47 seconds later...



This is also very true. I get really tired of hearing Obama skirt issues too. It really annoyed me that durring his healthcare speach all he touched on was the (mostly) already debunked topics of illegal immigrants and 'death comittees' I wanted to see that he'd finally decided that the people who elected him deserve to have him condescend to our lowly levels and talk about things that really matter, like how long are we going to have to wait for necessary tests, is there going to be a priority system of who gets care when, etc etc..

I kind of appreciate that Beck gets emotional. While I do think he goes a bit overboard occasionally, but it shows that he really cares about what he does. And because of those hard questions that Mr. Obama doesn't want to answer, it's no wonder he's going on all the other channels and excluding Fox. He doesn't want to be asked the questions that matter.

I'm so sick of having so many 'news' shows tell us about fashion/pop 'culture'. If I want to know who's wearing what, I'll buy a fashion magazine, but I don't. I want to hear the NEWS.


What people fail to understand is that Van Jones wasn't put under the microscope for being a truther, that probably isn't a bad thing in todays political environment. It's that he is rumored to be a communist, and if Van Jones is a communist then perhaps Obama is a communist too? That is what the entire debate was about, not about signing the 911 truth document.

The problem the Democrats have is not that some of them are communists, or that most of them are socialists, its that they refuse to standup for and defend their own beliefs. Nobody wants to support a spineless socialist party. And when the Obama admin agrees with Glenn Beck and asks people to resign or when people resign in response, it only puts them even more under the microscope because what are they afraid of? If they truly think they are right then shouldn't they go on TV and say that Van Jones is right?

That being said, Glenn Beck is the BEST in the business at NLP, persuasion, or whatever you want to call it. And even if hes not someone who can be trusted, I certainly don't trust what hes saying, hes definitely the most persuasive.

[zibber]

Whether you like Glenn Beck or not, you have to respect his skills at NLP.


Why should I respect someone for using tricks that "[allow] you to give subconscious and subliminal commands to the individual"? Creep. Anything used consciously to influence someone's autonomy is completely morally bankrupt (and honestly, more than anything, really pathetic).

[Ray9]

Why should I respect someone for using tricks that "[allow] you to give subconscious and subliminal commands to the individual"? Creep. Anything used consciously to influence someone's autonomy is completely morally bankrupt (and honestly, more than anything, really pathetic).


Perhaps you could provide us with some specific examples of the subconcious, subliminal commands?

[zibber]

Perhaps you could provide us with some specific examples of the subconcious, subliminal commands?

I was quoting tt's description of this "NLP".

[LaoTzu]

I really can't believe we're discussing 'truth' and 'journalism' in the same breath as Glenn Beck. I don't understand why someone who requires this level of 'panache' (to be kind)... is on par as one of the USA's BEST journalists???

Is this the INTJ forum or is it the Hannity forums
(Where I've been 3 times banned! Represent!)


People, seriously....
You can have your ideology, you don't need it fed to you.
I like listening to Thom Hartmann... who I think is the most infomative guy out there.... but I'd never hold him up and say "THIS IS THE ONLY GUY TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING!!!". I can see him occasionally going overboard and painting with a very broad brush. At least I know it... but BECK???

BECK?!?! please people... It's patently rediculous and I really had some hope for this forum...


You can be a liberal to libertarian I could care less, but I had hoped for some independent thinking... The desire to be heard is what you see in that guy. That he says what YOU are thinking is what you like... nothing more. He's doing his job of keeping conservatives galvanized against democrats. That's what he's there for; and it doesn't matter how he does it, so long as you're voting next year.

[Holiman]

Glenn Beck was outsted as a liar and full of crap by the outstanding journalistic work of those amazing people at the View ( yeah really WTF ). If they can see a BS artist for what he is my heart goes out to you folks who beleive him on issues that actually effect your and my lives.

[Slacker]

The only instance of Glenn Beck that I've come across was a link to a video about him hyperventilating about the monetary base. (The monetary base isn't all that important -- it's really the aggregates that determine inflation...). From that instance, his technique seems to be simple. State an ignorant opinion with the utmost confidence. TV watchers generally are in a half coma, so there's not much NLP needed. You might as well shove pacifiers in their mouths.

Besides, NLP... Subliminal human programming... really? The belief in it is just an expression of a pathological need to control.

[timetraveler]

Why should I respect someone for using tricks that "[allow] you to give subconscious and subliminal commands to the individual"? Creep. Anything used consciously to influence someone's autonomy is completely morally bankrupt (and honestly, more than anything, really pathetic).

Zibber then we are all morally bankrupt. Your concept of morality is not logical. Its right to serve your own best interest and it's in Glenn Becks self interest to do what hes doing. If I were in his position I'd be doing the same thing, just probably wouldn't be as good at it as him. Everyone who sells anything, or anyone who communicates with anyone, has tricks to manipulate the subconscious of the other. Whether this be the woman who cries and uses puppy dog eyes, or whether it be a pitch man selling a product in an infomercial.

And a person under hypnosis is not robbed of autonomy anymore than a seduced person is robbed of autonomy. They are under the influence but they still make the final decisions. The job of a TV host is to get eyeballs and keep them glued to the channel. Glenn Beck has 2.5 million viewers, this is more viewers than any other show of its kind on TV.

And to people asking about where the subliminal commands are, I gave an example in one of my previous posts of a subliminal command.

[Coralaisly]

What people fail to understand is that Van Jones wasn't put under the microscope for being a truther, that probably isn't a bad thing in todays political environment. It's that he is rumored to be a communist, and if Van Jones is a communist then perhaps Obama is a communist too? That is what the entire debate was about, not about signing the 911 truth document.

The problem the Democrats have is not that some of them are communists, or that most of them are socialists, its that they refuse to standup for and defend their own beliefs. Nobody wants to support a spineless socialist party. And when the Obama admin agrees with Glenn Beck and asks people to resign or when people resign in response, it only puts them even more under the microscope because what are they afraid of? If they truly think they are right then shouldn't they go on TV and say that Van Jones is right?

That being said, Glenn Beck is the BEST in the business at NLP, persuasion, or whatever you want to call it. And even if hes not someone who can be trusted, I certainly don't trust what hes saying, hes definitely the most persuasive.

I never said anything about him being examined for being a truther. I know I disagree with him on that and the whole 'white people are trying to poison black/minority communities' bs too. I know he's being looked at because of his own statements concerning himself and whether or not he's a communist. I want to know what the president and all the people who he draws inspiration and opinions from believe in and stand for. That's what I care about. And I don't want to be a commerade. I don't want the president listening to communists and the like.

And I agree with you about them standing behind people they hire. If they're going to hire them, they should know who they are, what they stand for and have a good idea of what their personal as well as professional background and agenda are. I'm tired of paying people like that to work towards goals I don't believe in (in Jone's case, communism, radicalism and social justice).

And you're absolutely right, Mr. Beck is clearly very persuasive. He's excellent at what he does. As is Obama. I don't really trust either, but a lot of the things Beck's been saying, I've thought or at least had vague impressions of for a while. I'm not going to deny that I do go along with some of his ideas, but I don't believe all of what he says.That being said, the percentage of what I believe from him vs basically anyone else in the media is very high, even though I do often kinda go "uh.... that's pushing it a bit far, don'tcha think?..." When someone spends that much time trying to persuade me, I get suspicious. Another reason I forgot to mention is that guests on Beck get quite a bit more respect than for instance O'Riley (who I can't stand, but that's another topic)

[blueback]

TV watchers generally are in a half coma, so there's not much NLP needed.
Thank you. That is really the only important point. Glenn Beck's style is entertaining. I enjoy watching him even though I think he's full of shit. He is a medium through which a paid message flows. He just whores himself out to whoever will pay him to represent a certain opinion. Since that sort of thing rarely works on the people who have well informed opinions on a subject, he is stuck talking to the much larger portion of the population (figuratively and literally, hiyo!) who don't have well informed opinions. It's not a mistake that those people tend to watch Fox; Fox has been courting them for years. They don't report on news, they use the news as source materiel for entertainment shows.

Just by way of an example; check out all the bright colors, moving pictures, dynamic personalities, pretty women, provocative subjects, etc that Fox is full of (it's not just Fox, but they're the best at it).

[Ray9]

Once again we need to look at the facts. No one is really asking any tough questions about Obama and the people he has associated with in the past or the people he surrounds himself with in his administration. No one that is, except for Glenn beck. Because Beck has been so efffective at hitting his targets he has been identified as a threat and so the political machine of his opposition has launched a crusade to silence him by strong-arming some of the sponsors of his show. This is a move that will backfire eventually.

In addition, There is a thoroughly brainwashed segment of society that cannot fathom what beck is doing so it conjures up theories of witchcraft and black magic to explain his success. It's actually quite humorous.

[Profit]

Just by way of an example; check out all the bright colors, moving pictures, dynamic personalities, pretty women, provocative subjects, etc that Fox is full of (it's not just Fox, but they're the best at it).

These are actually some of the reasons I can only watch Fox for a few minutes at a time. I make it a point to watch Beck and his like just to stay on top of what they are ranting about but what makes me turn the them off most of the time is the presentation of Fox News in general. Something about it just looks fake and contrived.

[IrishGuy]

Once again we need to look at the facts. No one is really asking any tough questions about Obama and the people he has associated with in the past or the people he surrounds himself with in his administration. No one that is, except for Glenn beck. Because Beck has been so efffective at hitting his targets he has been identified as a threat and so the political machine of his opposition has launched a crusade to silence him by strong-arming some of the sponsors of his show. This is a move that will backfire eventually.

In addition, There is a thoroughly brainwashed segment of society that cannot fathom what beck is doing so it conjures up theories of witchcraft and black magic to explain his success. It's actually quite humorous.

This isn't just isolated to the Obama administration. The "softening" of the media has been going on for years. Nobody asks tough questions anymore. I think this is partially due to the increased amount of corporate competition among news agencies. If a politician knows that a news outlet is definitely going to try and make them look bad in an interview they'll just do an interview with another news outlet. If a news outlet does make a politician look bad the politician just needs to avoid that news station (or the reporter who did the interview).

Personally, I think most of Beck's popularity among certain segments of the population is because of his effective use of public speaking techniques. In particular his tendency to present every political position of the opposition as a threat to the country. People who already feel that the country is falling apart and is headed towards the apocalypse are going to gravitate to someone who says "hey here's an easy fix; oppose these people to save the country." It's essentially confirmation bias; anyone who has a political opinion can find a talking head who will confirm their position.

On a sort of tangent. I think it would be really interesting to see if there is any correlation between the diversity of conservative and liberal media outlets and the diversity of opinion among liberals and conservatives (diversity within each school of thought).

[eagleseven]

This isn't just isolated to the Obama administration. The "softening" of the media has been going on for years. Nobody asks tough questions anymore. I think this is partially due to the increased amount of corporate competition among news agencies. If a politician knows that a news outlet is definitely going to try and make them look bad in an interview they'll just do an interview with another news outlet. If a news outlet does make a politician look bad the politician just needs to avoid that news station (or the reporter who did the interview).

Personally, I think most of Beck's popularity among certain segments of the population is because of his effective use of public speaking techniques. In particular his tendency to present every political position of the opposition as a threat to the country. People who already feel that the country is falling apart and is headed towards the apocalypse are going to gravitate to someone who says "hey here's an easy fix; oppose these people to save the country." It's essentially confirmation bias; anyone who has a political opinion can find a talking head who will confirm their position.

On a sort of tangent. I think it would be really interesting to see if there is any correlation between the diversity of conservative and liberal media outlets and the diversity of opinion among liberals and conservatives (diversity within each school of thought).

And unsurprisingly, Obama is boycotting Fox.

Still, I would rather have reporters asking lots of questions and getting half of them wrong (like Beck), than have reporters asking no questions at all (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NYT).

[Mader]

Beck's magic communications?

This is his job, people. He is a tv commentator. If you are a lousy communicator, you do not have a tv show. He gets paid to be a great communicator.

One, I see lots of bits I learned in Speech 101, Freshman year of college, junior college in the MidWest. Some good old Dale Carnegie, too.

Two, sometimes a person comes along who connects with people in a way noone seems to be able to understand. I was married to a man who could make a new friend, at any time, in any situation, within 30 seconds - something about him made people like him, feel comfortable with him. Babies and all children loved him immediately even tho he had the phycial characteristics that babies are supposed to dislike (dark hair, full beard, deep voice) It was a combination of his mind, body, heart and soul. Sometimes people are gifted in this area. (sure wish my late husband's gifts had rubbed off on me a bit).

Some of this can be learned, but mostly, you are born with it. All strong communicators have this gift. Being a great short term communicator is much different than a long term communicator, not everyone is strong in every situation/relationship.

Three, manipulation doesn't work if you do not want to be manipulated. I do not need to be manipulated to agree with some of what Beck says (I do not agree or accept everything this commentator says).

Like you, I take pride in having my own thoughts.

[Hatsumomo1]

You know, I'm noticing that some people don't even bother to read the OP before posting. Explains the derailing of the thread.

I'm failing to see how Beck is supposedly using NLP over just body language. I could think of plenty of other reasons that people are drawn to him, like he's a charismatic person. It also doesn't help that a lot of people are upset with Obama right now. Also, the general American public is not very aware of what's going on in politics. They really only pay attention when something interesting is happening, and most of the information they gather from it is either blown out of proportion, taken out of context, or flat out false. Then along comes a great speaker, like Beck, and no matter what he says they'll eat it all up. And so the influence spreads, because it actually seems like (key word there) Beck knows what he's talking about 100% of the time.


In this video you look at the bottom of the screen and you see messages about Bernie Madoff scrolling by with the words "fraud", while Glenn Beck talks about Van Jones. If this is not deliberate suggestion/subliminal message I don't know what is. This is like talking about President Obama while playing a video of Osama Bin Laden in the backround. While this is happening Glenn Beck tells the viewer to ask themselves if wealth should be taken from them on the basis of race.

In all honesty, claiming this guy has excellent knowledge of NLP is about as far fetched of a claim as when Beck claimed Obama was a racist (I personally don't like the President, but he's not flat out racist.) It's a pretty huge leap to make while having little evidence to back it up.

[timetraveler]

You know, I'm noticing that some people don't even bother to read the OP before posting. Explains the derailing of the thread.

I'm failing to see how Beck is supposedly using NLP over just body language. I could think of plenty of other reasons that people are drawn to him, like he's a charismatic person. It also doesn't help that a lot of people are upset with Obama right now. Also, the general American public is not very aware of what's going on in politics. They really only pay attention when something interesting is happening, and most of the information they gather from it is either blown out of proportion, taken out of context, or flat out false. Then along comes a great speaker, like Beck, and no matter what he says they'll eat it all up. And so the influence spreads, because it actually seems like (key word there) Beck knows what he's talking about 100% of the time.




In all honesty, claiming this guy has excellent knowledge of NLP is about as far fetched of a claim as when Beck claimed Obama was a racist (I personally don't like the President, but he's not flat out racist.) It's a pretty huge leap to make while having little evidence to back it up.

You didn't disprove my example. How do you explain that?

[PunkinA]

I don't see Beck's performance as fitting in well with NLP practices. I imagine he would use them if he thought them persuasive, but that is only my opinion of him. I see him as a different kind of salesman. He seems like more of a Jimmy Swaggart than a Mesmer.

In no way do I endorse Glen Beck though. He may not be a sideshow hypnotist, but I think he makes an abuse of his charisma under the guise of journalism. I won't go into a rant about him in this thread though. There are plenty of other opportunities to critique him on-topic.

My summary, Glen Beck is neither witch-docor nor master hypnotist. He's just a very successful televangelist. He also really likes the word "COMMUNIST!"

[Hatsumomo1]

You didn't disprove my example. How do you explain that?

You're right. I didn't disprove anything because I see nothing to disprove. All of the observations that you presented just look like assumptions with no solid evidence to back it up.

[Foote]

I think you guys are more paranoid than Beck is...

Beck has a certain way of talking that a lot of people misinterpret. You just have to watch his show. His viewers don't "mindlessly follow everything he says".. I try to watch it everyday. I watch the news a lot, it doesn't hurt to intake a commentator's information and find out things for yourself instead of 'mindlessly following' a news anchor or commentator.

[mtene]

Glenn Beck is a radio talk show host who does a TV show. His motto is "The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment". You folks that hate him seem to empower him a lot.

[timetraveler]

You're right. I didn't disprove anything because I see nothing to disprove. All of the observations that you presented just look like assumptions with no solid evidence to back it up.

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What do you think of this video where Beck is behind the scenes faking his crying episodes?
His tears aren't real, so why would the rest of his show be real?

[Causa Mortis]

Glenn Beck is a radio talk show host who does a TV show. His motto is "The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment". You folks that hate him seem to empower him a lot.

He takes himself very seriously (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

He cops out with "but I'm funterlightenment" when he's caught in outright lies.

[Ray9]

All of this is very Orwellian. A battle of words, ideas, beliefs. Doublethink, thoughtcrime, newspeak. Not just Beck but the psuedo-narrator who seems to expose him. Can we find any truth in this psychobabble? It makes me break out in a cold sweat.

[timetraveler]

All of this is very Orwellian. A battle of words, ideas, beliefs. Doublethink, thoughtcrime, newspeak. Not just Beck but the psuedo-narrator who seems to expose him. Can we find any truth in this psychobabble? It makes me break out in a cold sweat.

You can't trust anyone in the media. None of them are looking out for you. They are paid to lie to you and to hide the truth from you. They will use NLP, hypnosis, suggestion and any other legal techniques to brainwash you into the right/left paradigm. The goal is to divide and rule, and only by creating these divisions can they who own the media companies rule.

[Paul Siraisi]

Now we're calling being pushily manipulative "NLP"?

Anyway, why would Glenn Beck be trying to make that guy fall down, or even manipulate him? They weren't confronting each other, were they? He was just a professor explaining the credit crisis. They both knew what they had to say.

I do agree that looking at Glenn Beck makes me feel a little woozy.

[zibber]

Now we're calling being pushily manipulative "NLP"?

Fancy terms help disguise horrible practices.

(See: "labiaplasty" as opposed to "cutting someone's cunt off" and "waterboarding" rather than "fake drowning a dude".)

[Lucid]

All of this is very Orwellian. A battle of words, ideas, beliefs. Doublethink, thoughtcrime, newspeak. Not just Beck but the psuedo-narrator who seems to expose him. Can we find any truth in this psychobabble? It makes me break out in a cold sweat.

Ray, is it possible for people to disagree with you without being brainwashed? Is brainwashing and psychobabble the only reason anyone might ever hold a point of view that disagrees with your own?

A lot of what you're calling doublespeak and psychobabble is actually logic being applied to many of the irrational and senseless ideas clung to by social conservatives. No wonder it makes you break out in a cold sweat. Having one's core ideas and values ripped to shreds by science and reason would have that effect on people.

[Ray9]

Ray, is it possible for people to disagree with you without being brainwashed?


Isn't that the theme in this thread? It seems to suggest that Glenn Beck is successful because he brainwashes the unintelligent. My concern is that people lose all perspective because they are forced to take sides on issues based on politics not reason--Everything Glenn Beck says is wrong because he is conservative or everything Keith Olberman says is wrong because he is liberal. Read Orwell. It's all in there. As for my core ideas, the one I'm the most concerned about involves personal responsibility.

[Lucid]

Isn't that the theme in this thread? It seems to suggest that Glenn Beck is successful because he brainwashes the unintelligent. My concern is that people lose all perspective because they are forced to take sides on issues based on politics not reason--Everything Glenn Beck says is wrong because he is conservative or everything Keith Olberman says is wrong because he is liberal. Read Orwell. It's all in there. As for my core ideas, the one I'm the most concerned about involves personal responsibility.

But it's a theme you've argued against and then seem to embrace when it comes to ideas you don't agree with. For what it's worth, I think NLP is a load of crap no different from UFOs or astrology. It is possible to brainwash people, but it takes a long time and usually involves the brainwashed being immersed in a situation where they are exposed to almost nothing but the ideas others are trying to "brainwash" them with, as well as lack of sleep, lack of food and lots and lots of negative social consequences for having ideas the group disagrees with and positive consequences for having ideas that the group agrees with.

It's impossible for someone to be "brainwashed" by a TV show host or a school that isn't a boarding school that operates using "reprogramming" methods. You see this most often in cults, but there are many other examples. Most notably, a particular kind of Christian school where parents send their atheist, gay or misbehaving children to be "re-educated." It's important to draw a distinction between these schools and normal Christian or other faith based schools though. These schools use much the same techniques I describe above and which are often used by cults.

Here's (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) the wiki article on brainwashing, which you might find interesting.

[Functianalyst]

Whether you are Democrat or a Republican, you probably know that Glenn Beck has millions of viewers and enough influence over these viewers to actually cause people in the Obama admin to resign. Who did Beck cause to resign?

[TigerDak]

Maybe I'm just dumb and naive, but I saw nothing in that video that leads me to believe that Beck is using some kind of mind altering hypnosis. He is merely using hand gestures to communicate. I have studied NLP before, and it ain't that.

[Night Runner]

Who did Beck cause to resign?

Van Jones, a member of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Glenn Beck "hammered at Jones relentlessly the last several weeks for his radical past" and thus was instrumental in Jones' resignation. Here (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is an article.

[Functianalyst]

I am unsure why anyone would be concerned what Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly or any of those knuckle heads would think.

[Night Runner]

This quote of his was featured in tonight's "Say What?" section of Doonesbury. I have a very hard time how anybody who can say this can be a genius:

"When they're done with Fox and talk radio, do you really think that they'll leave you alone, if you want to ask a tough question?...Do you really believe, after [Obama] takes out the number one news network, do you really think that this man is then not going to turn on you...to take you out? If you believe that...you've missed the point of many brutal dictators. You've missed the point on how they always start."
-- Glenn Beck to NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN, on White House calling Fox "the communications arm of the Republican party"

[Freedom Geek]

NLP is a psuedo-science, I'm not worried about it.

[Riverratt]

I don't watch Beck, but I find it amusing when people set out to "bring him down" end up, getting BROUGHT down by him.

Like him or hate him, he can certainly expose communists, pedophiles, and generally extremely inept people in high government positions.

Now he is working on a "Mao say dung" follower who is another one of Obama's "czars".

How did we end up with all the pedos, and comunists in power???

[joerobertson]

I do a search for "Glenn Beck NLP" and I end up on an INTJ site. For me pretty funny... but then I guess that's the humor of someone that knows an INTJ.

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timetraveler seems pretty logical to me

Interesting to realize that NLP may put a label on the study while we are certainly in some form of a trance when watching an emotional movie or ad or news show.

Follow the money is pretty good advice... so it may seem

"As we know" is an expression used in polling questions and is clearly leading and not there by accident is it?

Companies pay big bucks to to have MJ hold a bottle of Pepsi - why? Association!

That is brainwashing if we recognize it or not and even more when we don't.

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When I watch Beck after studying human behavior as used in the sales process, I see many things being done that are very persuasive and not overt.

It's not just hand movements. He uses certain phrases. A favorite one is "Why am I the only one telling you these things"

[Mader]

Fox News has a huge audience. Huge.
On one particularly bad night, CNN, in prime time, had less than 100,000 viewers.
FoxNews has been #1 in ratings for years, and growing.

So,it seems to me that FoxNews is reaching the average American.
FoxNews is a threat to any politician who disagrees with FoxNews.
The above sentence implies that FoxNews screens the news to give a particular angle. Commentators have angles, news is straight news.

BTW, yes, there are commentators on FoxNews I don't like. Keith Olbermann, wow, needs to add to his medication.