Your tax dollars supporting child prostitution

[themuzicman]

That's right. Obama's personal election organization under cover as "community support and organizing" (ACORN) caught on tape offering tax advice to two people posing as a pimp and a prostitute who want to bring foreign children in to pimp them out as well.

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The pair also claimed they planned to employ teenage girls from central America as prostitutes, and an ACORN employee suggested that up to three of the girls could be claimed as dependents, according to transcripts of the video posted online by conservative activist James O'Keefe.

and just in case someone say this was an isolated incident...

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Scott Levenson, claiming that the videos presented by O'Keefe and his partner-in-sting Hannah Giles were a "smear" and "defamatory," claimed in his statement they'd tried the same trick at other offices and came away with no shock video at all.

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Because, you see, while O'Keefe and Hannah did try this at other offices, and did withhold the tape until now, it's not true they were turned away and told not to engage in child prostitution at the DC office.

Indeed, they got the same helpful advice there -- helpful advice how to run a child-sex-slave brothel and smooth it over on their tax returns -- at the DC office.

With one bit of sound advice: Because O'Keefe represents himself as a would-be politician, they strongly recommend that O'Keefe, while engaging in child prostitution, try to hide his association with the child-sex-slavers. The big advice here is to stay away from the actual brothel they're setting up.

Yes, this is the same organization that President Obama arranged to receive billions of tax dollars.

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Already largely funded with U.S. tax dollars, Chicago-based ACORN will get a big chunk of $4.19 billion allocated for “neighborhood stabilization activities” under the proposed stimulus package. Incredibly, groups like ACORN are not eligible to receive public funds for that purpose because only state and local governments meet the requirements under a 2008 law.


It's time to cut the public money off from Obama's organization.

[Ham]

My tax dollars aren't paying for child prostitution. I don't get paid in dollars, nor do I pay tax. Oh the delights of being a student.

And in any case, this isn't the fault of Obama, it's the fault of an incompetant employee or two. It's more than likely that the vast majority do their jobs reasonably well.

[Grimstad]

LOL. That "Tax advisor" should have got fired just for being stupid, on so many levels.

I'd like to see the same "sting" done at H&R block and see what happens. At the very least they'd get "profesional" tax advice.

[themuzicman]

Um... This happened at multiple locations. This isn't an isolated person. This is a systemic problem.

[Holiman]

One of the Fox news personalities (Hannity) qouted the president as calling all health care executives as bad people which was utterly wrong. Fox news and that personality have made multiple misqoutes and mistakes over the years are they also a corrupt organization and should we shut them down? Hell at least Acorn had the stalwart good sense to fire their bad employees.

[themuzicman]

Are you seriously comparing the opinion of a radio talk show personality about who Obama insulted to individuals who willingly assisted a pimp and a prostitute in tax evasion regarding child prostitution?

[Tristan]

The tax dollars could go to far worse things. I often wish my sex life had begun a lot earlier.

[themuzicman]

Really? So you think your life would have been more complete had you been kidnapped and sent to China at age 14 to be forced to have sex with foreign businessmen to profit the company that kidnapped you?

[blueback]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that dispensing tax advice to pimps isn't the worst thing my tax dollars have ever tangentially supported.

All this shows is that the system is working. Some people are being stupid, if not actively malicious, and the free press caught them. Hoorah! But, any organization that gets paid $800,000 to do anything is too big for one person to keep track of everything they're doing.

They probably hired a few disreputable people. I doubt community organizing pays well. If the worst thing the Republicans can find to attack Obama with is that his election organization hired a company that itself hired people that don't have a problem with prostitution, then I think he's doing pretty well. Either hiding his ties to worse things or not having the ties in the first place. Either way, it actually vouches for him.

[Tristan]

Really? So you think your life would have been more complete had you been kidnapped and sent to China at age 14 to be forced to have sex with foreign businessmen to profit the company that kidnapped you?

Now that you put it that way, absolutely... that sounds a hell of a lot more exciting than soccer, algebra, and grammar, which is what I did at 14. Whereas, sex was all I could think about at 14.


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A rather major addition (sorry for anyone currently posting in the thread):
They probably hired a few disreputable people. I doubt community organizing pays well. If the worst thing the Republicans can find to attack Obama with is that his election organization hired a company that itself hired people that don't have a problem with prostitution, then I think he's doing pretty well. Either hiding his ties to worse things or not having the ties in the first place. Either way, it actually vouches for him.

It's far from the worst thing; that's why I was making light of it. The worst thing in this case is the principle of funding ACORN with tax money at all. The government should never fund an organization that designs expressly to register specific types of voters and favor specific candidates. I loathe ACORN not for what it does, and not for how rotten its employees are, but rather, for the fact that Obama plays a willing vehicle for them to get themselves cozily entrenched. Perhaps a few of Obama's more moderate voters are coming to understand how very distant his rhetoric is from his M.O., but I trust not to hope on this: as a guy in the Glenn Beck thread said, "his audience is made up largely of impressionable idiots who are predisposed to accept what he says."

[deinotes]

My tax dollars aren't paying for child prostitution. I don't get paid in dollars, nor do I pay tax. Oh the delights of being a student.

And in any case, this isn't the fault of Obama, it's the fault of an incompetant employee or two. It's more than likely that the vast majority do their jobs reasonably well.
unless you flee the country you will have to pay :
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[Ool]

Reminds me of what Tom DeLay and the Republicans pulled on American soil in Saipan…

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I guess technically you’re not pro-choice if you force your prostitutes to have abortions…

[Hamburglar]

Um... This happened at multiple locations. This isn't an isolated person. This is a systemic problem.

I could not have said it better myself TMM.

Although it is highly likely we disagree on the systemic problem.

GREED. Putting profit before morality. It's endemic.

As an aside....My tax dollars are also supporting Rush Limbaugh's right to declare President Obama a Nazi. <outrage><outrage><outrage>

[nacht]

That's right. Obama's personal election organization under cover as "community support and organizing" (ACORN) caught on tape offering tax advice to two people posing as a pimp and a prostitute who want to bring foreign children in to pimp them out as well.


I think I can safely say that this is reaching.

First, let's talk about ACORN and Obama's ties, and dismiss this "Obama's personal election organization" nonsense.

- Obama was, in 1992, a director of "Project Vote." Project Vote is a separate organization from ACORN, though they worked together last year (long after Obama left Project Vote). They had no ties in 1992.

- Obama was one of several attorneys who, as part of the firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland defended ACORN in a local case in Illinois.

- Obama's campaign paid a group called Citizens' Services $832k, that was part of $391 million in expenditures. Citizens' Services subcontracted out ACORN for a get-out-the-vote effort to the tune of about $80k.

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He has a few other minor connections to them that have shown up over the years, but they are minor in the grand scheme of things. Calling ACORN "Obama's personal election organization" is a gross distortion of the truth and shows a high degree of "terminological inexactitude."

Now, as to this specific event, the video tapes seem to take place in Baltimore and Washington DC, far removed from Obama's interactions with the group, which took place out of the Chicago office.

Meanwhile, the Census bureau is cutting ties with ACORN over this.

Are you seriously claiming that Obama has any form of culpability in everything that every ACORN worker ever does?



Yes, this is the same organization that President Obama arranged to receive billions of tax dollars.

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Correction, ACORN, as a non-profit, can compete for some share out of that. To quote politifact (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):

Could ACORN Housing apply for some of the money? Sure. So could lots of other nonprofits. They'd have to compete, though. And they'd have to use the money to buy up abandoned or foreclosed homes, fix them up and resell or rent them.

[Holiman]

If a muslim extremist suicide bomber got unemployment before hand would our tax dollars support terrorism?

If a polygamist has 14 wives and they live on welfare does tax dollars support polygamy?

If you recieved social security and post retarded things on the internet does our tax dollars support stupidity?

The road you travel is pretty slippery hence my attempt to bring up the fox news, employers cannot be held for the actions of their emplyees without proof that they helped trained or simply looked the other way that has yet to be proven. If it is then the simple answer is to take that to those funding them in washington and have their funding removed.

[Aronnax]

My tax dollars have supported bombing children as well.

Infanticide to child prostitution? Looks like we're moving up the morality ladder.

[meanlittlechimp]

Do any of you actually think Acorn or Obama supports child prostitution?

I knew someone who worked for them. ACORN is basically lowly paid college graduates who go door to door, in rough neighborhoods, to convince people (who can't afford it), to pay dues and invest in community goals by pooling resources. They attempt to help poor people get access to legal advice re: housing issues, file taxes, and other services for their betterment.

I don't think they're necessarily doing the best job; but they don't increase child prostitution or have some nefarious purpose. They aren't an election platform, in the sense it's some conspiracy. People who are willing to work for a place like ACORN, already were Obama supporters, there is no quid pro quo here.

It's insane how asshole republicans see evil in an organization like ACORN; when they're own party is a bunch of lying, hypocritical, small minded, bomb-happy war mongers. The entire monies spent on ACORN in it's entire history; is probably less than the cost of a single fighter plane.. They claim to be Christians; but do the opposite of everything he preached.

[hubcap]

It's insane how asshole republicans see evil in an organization like ACORN; when they're own party is a bunch of lying, hypocritical, small minded, bomb-happy war mongers. The entire monies spent on ACORN in it's entire history; is probably less than the cost of a single fighter plane.. They claim to be Christians; but do the opposite of everything he preached.

Let's turn this around:

Does anyone think the NRA and the republicans want to see murder in the streets?

It's insane how asshole democrats see evil in an organization like the NRA, when their own party is a bunch of lying, hypocritical, small minded.....................well you get the drift.

It's politics, get over it. If the people you make allegiances with do stupid stuff you are guilty by association.

Neither republicans nor democrats have any high ground to claim.

[Tristan]

Let's turn this around:

Does anyone think the NRA and the republicans want to see murder in the streets?

It's insane how asshole democrats see evil in an organization like the NRA, when their own party is a bunch of lying, hypocritical, small minded.....................well you get the drift.

It's politics, get over it. If the people you make allegiances with do stupid stuff you are guilty by association.

Neither republicans nor democrats have any high ground to claim.

To be honest, I'm rather enjoying this (hopefully brief) period of disenfranchisement. It's a release on responsibility. I argue a lot with my friends because I remained rather conservative while they got more heavily-influenced by college and turned liberal. When Bush was in office, the burden of proof was on me. To the extent that I agreed with them, I had to defend Bush's policies amid all their faults... But now the tables have turned, and now I get to sit back and point out that Obama's snot ain't honey, and watch people leap into a hopeless defense of the man and his allies.

[hubcap]

I suppose I have become jaded over the years.

Now I just think all politicians and both political parties suck.

[blueback]

Now I just think all politicians and both political parties suck.
Yup.

I predict that Obama will do the same thing he's done the rest of his brief career in politics. Before he always seemed to be willing to compromise the shit out of everything so that no one could object to the final product. Now he's started on healthcare and just gave up a single-payer plan before anyone even started horse trading. The threat that the democrats might shove a single-payer plan through with their 60 votes was a pretty good bargaining chip, but Obama erred on the side of including everyone, which meant he gave up things that made people uncomfortable.

Is that worse than Bush's tendency to overcommit to the first plan that occurs to him? Nah, not really. They are both a failure of leadership. But, that's okay, because we don't elect leaders. . .we elect politicians.

If you want to know how a domestic political discussion is going to turn out all you have to do is look at what industries are involved in the proposed legislation. Politicians are bought. If not all of them, then enough that the rest don't matter. It simply costs too much to get elected to expect the system to respond to anything except money. Politicians aren't bad people, they just respond to their environment like all the rest of us do.

I suppose every now and then a person slips through who has enough personal resources to remain mostly independent (the Kennedys for example), but it's not something to expect. Again, they aren't bad, they just suck.

[nacht]

Yup.

I predict that Obama will do the same thing he's done the rest of his brief career in politics. Before he always seemed to be willing to compromise the shit out of everything so that no one could object to the final product. Now he's started on healthcare and just gave up a single-payer plan before anyone even started horse trading. The threat that the democrats might shove a single-payer plan through with their 60 votes was a pretty good bargaining chip, but Obama erred on the side of including everyone, which meant he gave up things that made people uncomfortable.


Flat out: I don't think Obama could have gotten 60 votes, or even 51 votes, if he tried to implement a single payer plan. Such also would require a radical restructuring of our current health care system, whereas the proposed bill just adapts the current one to be more like the Swiss model.

Regardless of whether it is a good idea, it is better bargaining chip not to even put it on the table. Especially given that such would make the cries of "socialized medicine" that much louder. As it stands, such claims don't have a firm leg to stand on. If he had that option even in his back pocket, those claims would be fully justified.

[Hamburglar]

Again, they aren't bad, they just suck.

This is a constitutional debate not a political debate. I realize that sounds trite, but it's like blaming judges for being judicial.

If you don't like the game, you got's to change the rules. Perhaps they have too much power; perhaps not enough, etc..

Politicians are playing the hand dealt to them. Wielding the levers of power in American government is no easy task, since there are few levers and lots of people trying to get their hands on them. Did I mention that most of them won't work unless you have a lot of hands on them? Our government is dysfunctionally functional.

with regards to the OP: I heard Obama is corrupting the youth with republican Taxpayer money. Turning them into little community organizers. Dang communists, making their communities better places to live by studying hard and trying to make a positive impact for their fellow citizens. I heard GWB was pretty good at community organizing as well. He won re-election in 2004 after all.

[Mader]

I disagree that these are simply a very few rogue employees. Yep, first, this went on in several offices - not every office, but enough of them.

Employees are not going to talk to walk-ins like this unless the employees are 1) criminally insane or 2) feeling rather safe in their jobs. Either choice indicates huge problems, huge.

Then, the early responsies from ACORN included accusations of lies, dubbing tapes, and promises to go after the two people who did these stings. One state, after watching the tapes, planned to go after the two reporters rather than the employees who volunteered some really good information on running a house of prostitution stocked with 14 year old girls.

Today, ACORN did a 180 - these are bad employees, too ignorant to work for ACORN, and so on. This 180, after the last several months of news coverage, was distasteful, at best,for me. They still refuse to open their books. Yes, said that today.

The Census Bureau pulled its relationship from ACORN - this organization will no longer be involved in the 2010 census - that is a big, hairy deal, children.

Somewhere, someone is making a bunch of money thru ACORN - that money doesn't necessarily come from the Federal Government - but it is there. These people who are getting rich from ACORN and its connections are profiting off of the clients and low level employees of ACORN - bet you think that all the money goes to the average guy on the street, don't you? If the money was going to the average guy, then I would feel less passionately about this, too. But someone is taking their cut of the money before it ever reaches that average guy-people are getting rich off of the hard work (and poverty) of others In the old days, that used to be called taking advantage of the underpriviledged - building your bank account on the back of the little man.

I am to the point that I do not trust anyone in Washington. It is not just that there is corruption or that there is a bunch of corruption. Now, I believe that NOONE CARES that there is corruption - is is now accepted practice, corruption is no long immoral/illegal/improper. Lying is normal, half-truths are effective, taking comments out of context is reasonable.

I have no way of knowing who is trustworthy and who is not. Can anyone else figure this out for me?

[meanlittlechimp]

Let's turn this around:

Does anyone think the NRA and the republicans want to see murder in the streets?

It's insane how asshole democrats see evil in an organization like the NRA, when their own party is a bunch of lying, hypocritical, small minded.....................well you get the drift.

I don't the NRA, and their supporters are intentionally trying to increase the murder rate. But their policies are having that effect, they're just too dumb to realize it. The fact we have more murders than all of industrialized Europe and Asia combined isn't a coincidence.


It's politics, get over it. If the people you make allegiances with do stupid stuff you are guilty by association.

Neither republicans nor democrats have any high ground to claim.

Actually, I think the Dems do have the high ground on most major issues and pretty much always have since turn of the century. If you're a member of the KKK only one party will have you. The people who are the Dems today would have led the enlightenment (if they lived at the time), while Republicans would have been the angry villagers stabbing witches with pitchforks. It's the same group of people, just different outfits in different centuries.

Guilt by association is one thing, but I don't see any redeeming qualities of the right to make up for their obvious stupidities. An allegiance implies the sacrifices you make supporting dumb policy to appease evangelicals and the extreme right - has some hidden payoff that makes it worthwhile.

[deinotes]

Actually, I think the Dems do have the high ground on most major issues and pretty much always have since turn of the century. If you're a member of the KKK only one party will have you. The people who are the Dems today would have led the enlightenment (if they lived at the time), while Republicans would have been the angry villagers stabbing witches with pitchforks. It's the same group of people, just different outfits in different centuries.

Guilt by association is one thing, but I don't see any redeeming qualities of the right to make up for their obvious stupidities. An allegiance implies the sacrifices you make supporting dumb policy to appease evangelicals and the extreme right - has some hidden payoff that makes it worthwhile.
I don't think so the whole bipartisanship have turned out to be a mess.
It has become more a choice of the lesser one of 2 evils then to be a choice of a party where you can stand behind in all issues.
I think both parties have honest hard working poeple in their ranks but how higher you go in the ranks how more it becomes a corrupt mess.
Where both member parties are more interested in their self interest and keeping the status qou then to actual do things for the good of their voters in the long run.

[Hamburglar]

Needless to say, political affiliations/parties are far more nuanced than can be explained in a paragraph or two.

[hubcap]

The fact we have more murders than all of industrialized Europe and Asia combined isn't a coincidence.
I agree it isn't a coincidence, but it is certainly oversimplistic to think that guns are the problem.

Actually, I think the Dems do have the high ground on most major issues and pretty much always have since turn of the century. If you're a member of the KKK only one party will have you. The people who are the Dems today would have led the enlightenment (if they lived at the time), while Republicans would have been the angry villagers stabbing witches with pitchforks. It's the same group of people, just different outfits in different centuries.
The high ground is a matter of perspective.

Guilt by association is one thing, but I don't see any redeeming qualities of the right to make up for their obvious stupidities. An allegiance implies the sacrifices you make supporting dumb policy to appease evangelicals and the extreme right - has some hidden payoff that makes it worthwhile.
I could say the same thing about the left. As with the high ground, its a matter of perspective.