Hate on Hillary Here

[iamnotspock]

Step forward and tell us why you hate Bill's wife... No reason is too big or too small... Step right up, INTJ's, and vent about The Hillary here...

For me, it's all about the hair. I just don't like the hair. Plus, there is that New York carpet-bagger stench. And my feeling that any self-respecting woman who caught her husband with the likes of Gennifer Flowers and the Big Lewinski would have dumped the scum long ago, politics be damned.

You?

[Bossy Mom]

When I look at Hillary Clinton, I see a fascist. I don't see a person who "cares" about anyone -- just about power - power over the lives of others. I don't know if Hillary and Bill ever loved each other - but I believe that for most of their marriage they are "partners in power" and nothing more. I also don't think she cares if Bill is unfaithful -- as long as he doesn't get caught and harms their image.

[1OFMANY]

She is a traitor and a liar and a treasonous hag who uses other peoples plights for her own gain.

[Firelie]

Ditto on Bossy Mom, but I don't hate Hillary for it, I just don't want her in charge of the country.

[Mr Zip]

Political differences aside, I bet she could put a piece of coal in her ass and produce a diamond. That woman is seriously uptight.

[brewmaster]

Political differences aside, I bet she could put a piece of coal in her ass and produce a diamond. That woman is seriously uptight.

This is likely.

My biggest beef with her is she could possibly be more polarizing than gw (if thats possible) and is in my opinion unelectable. I also think she would say anything to get elected.

[Windmill]

Coming from New Zealand I have a limited knowledge.

Now I don't like the fact that she is institutionalized- but yet I can't help but like what I see of the ice queen in terms of a personal perspective (I'd never vote based on that though)

She totally has seized her opportunity. She's doing quite badly, loosing all of her momentum, but hey, she tried as best as she could. I like it that she is not mushy. I like it that she used Bill, who cheated on her. Who cares if she's obviously just with him because of political reasonings- she managed to make something useful of the marriage. I just can't hate her, I think she's awesome, even though she's probably somewhat ethically bankrupt as she goes back on her stuff (health policies I use as proof for that)

Heck I even find a side to admire in the fact she'd say anything to get elected. Boy she sucks at getting elected- but she's willing to do a lot.

Granted, again, this conflicts with my morals. But at the same time I can admire her. Obama? I dunno, I just don't like what I see, though he's done an amazing job, I just don't get a good feel for him.

But what do I know: I live in freaking New Zealand.

[gabriel]

Hillary is as big a liar as Bill. Which one of them is a better liar is debatable, but they are both very good at it, all for power.

[rwyatt365]

Hillary is a consummate politician. Her only goal is the accumulation of power and she will do anything that it takes to achieve ultimate (and absolute) power at any cost. She will adopt any position, adhere to any platform, foster any ideology in order to obtain and sustain a position of power. If the prerequisite for being dictator of the universe was to twirl butt-naked on the flagpole on top of the Sears Tower, she would already be landing at O'Hare right now.

Hillary's platform is crafted to appeal to those people and places that will garner her the Presidency, and she would have no qualms about changing it entirely tomorrow if that would make a difference. I don't hate her for any of that, she has supreme focus. I just don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

It's all a "clever disguise".

[quentin]

I've met. When I was 17. Based on that one encounter, I've disliked her intensely ever since. Icy and Machievellian don't even begin to describe it. She is horribly elitist and has nothing but contempt for the average voter.

She also comes off as quite INTJ. Cold, arrogant, aloof, can not connect naturally with other people, has no sense of warmth or compassion.

[OneBadMother]

I never saw why people hated her quite so much. Is it really that new for politicians to be completely manipulative jackasses? The difference is that most of them are suave. But yeah, I agree that she's extremely polarizing. At any rate, in this next election I will vote for someone who is not going to throw us fifty years backwards in terms of social equality, and in the unlikely event that Hillary is the only candidate out there who fits that, I'll vote for her. If not I'll obviously vote for whoever's better.

[sonofone]

She's kind of hot...you know...in that lilf kind of way.

[iamnotspock]

If the prerequisite for being dictator of the universe was to twirl butt-naked on the flagpole on top of the Sears Tower, she would already be landing at O'Hare right now.

LOL. I might be willing to vote for her if she would do that...

[qwiksilver]

Sets the women's movement back 50 years.

She shows that if a woman wants to get anywhere in life, ride on hubby's coat tails.

Seriously, if there was no Bill, she would've just been some junior partner at some obscure law firm. She has not done one thing of her own merit since marrying. All of it has been nepotism through her husband. Not exactly my idea of an "independant, modern woman."

[Riverratt]

I detest her political positions with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns..But my wife hates her even more..And it goes farther, than just hate, it goes into a total lack of respect for her.

She told me long ago, that she lost all respect for her, when she did not "deal with Bill" over all of his philandering..

She said basically this; that if she could not deal with things around her house, how could she be expected to deal with the presidency? She let Bill run all over her, how is she going to deal with the Chinese, or the Russians?

[Lights]

I don't like that she supported the war or her cold demeanor. Still better than McCain though.

[yondyr]

But is she really any different from any other politician? Surely once reaching such heights as to be that close to a presidency every act and statement has become a compromise in order to succeed.
Is it worse for a female politicians spouse to screw around? To rephrase imanotspock...any self-respecting man who caught his wife with the likes of....
I suspect tolerating her lapses would be considered great heartedness and magnanimity on his part and gaining in the publics respect.
Whereas Hillary is expected to dump him else he besmirch her reputation.

[Octavianus Caesar]

I do not hate her, but I do know she is very wrong for America, her policy of socialism is being rejected in Europe and if we implent it now and Europe is throwing it off, then she is behind the times.

[Danisty]

I hate Hillary because she didn't leave Bill after he cheated on her.

[the natural]

I agree she is very INTJ, which should make me sympathize with her image problems, but what pisses me off the most is her whole tone during this campaign has been this whining self entitlement that she waited patiently to be president, and now it's her turn.

[yondyr]

Why sink a good career when a male succumbs to his urges a la JFK. Jackie breezed through those revelations by ignoring as did Hillary.

[anul]

She was a Goldwater Girl in '64. If only she still held the beliefs of Barry Goldwater. Then maybe she might be tolerable. Sadly she's a dirty socialist now, and hates freedom. Barry Goldwater would be so sad if he actually viewed her as human.

[Danisty]

Why sink a good career when a male succumbs to his urges a la JFK. Jackie breezed through those revelations by ignoring as did Hillary.I don't think she should have stayed with her husband either, but she didn't run for president so my opinion wasn't really relevant. I don't respect women who accept cheating husbands and I'm not going to vote for someone I don't respect. Besides, why should her career be dependent on staying with her cheating husband? If she's doing it to use him, I have even less respect for her.

[yondyr]

Danisty.. "I don't respect women who accept cheating husbands" Please say you also feel that way regarding husbands too, and how can you be sure all you vote for have never had an affair?

[Riverratt]

Danisty.. "I don't respect women who accept cheating husbands" Please say you also feel that way regarding husbands too, and how can you be sure all you vote for have never had an affair?

I feel the same way, once that sacred vow is broken...what is the point???

She should have at least made him spend a few nights in a motel. But no, she didn't, even after, she went on TV DEFENDING him, when just a couple of days later he was on TV, begging for forgiveness..

Yea, smooth move! You can look at Hilary, and see Bill's footmarks all over her.

[snoogit]

I have no problem with someone wanting absolute power (sometimes its the only way to really fix something, in the case of the US, I feel sometimes it would take a dictator to fix some of our problems.)

The big reason I dislike her, is her polarizing stature, and the fear that she would tear the democratic party down, and leave it in a pile of ashes that would take a generation or more to fix. If it's between McCain, and Clinton, my vote is for McCain.

I would be willing to switch to the GOP if McCain can rip out the ugly, nasty Christian right, and replace it with republicans who stand for less social control, and more personal freedom. While some argue McCain wouldn't accomplish this I beg to differ. I think his animosity with quite possibly the biggest proponents of social control; The Christian Right would help rid this county of the tight testicular grip that group has over us right now. Yes he would continue with the outlandish Military spending we have now, and quite possibly would continue to fund programs that dig deeper into our personal lives, but I think in the end that the GOP would move away from these programs with a McCain presidency.

[yondyr]

Very reasoned, snoogit, I feel the same way. Unfortunately in Australia we have a choice of Socialism A and Socialism B to choose from.

[Lights]

I just wish we could elect Bill Clinton again.

[yondyr]

What, more sex in the White House? I think that's what Hillary is offering, Lights, a package deal, though his demeanour is more easily stomached.

[Lights]

What, more sex in the White House? I think that's what Hillary is offering, Lights, a package deal, though his demeanour is more easily stomached.

I don't understand why people are so bent out of shape about that. I mean, the lying pissed me off, but the adultery was kind of expected. How easy we forget that a man like Benjamin Franklin was a womanizer, and Thomas Jefferson was getting it on with one of his slaves. Obviously those little facts haven't taken away from their perceived greatness. Rich white guys like to get their rocks off. So what? :rolleyes: And guess who we have elected just about every single time into the Presidency!

[Octavianus Caesar]

I don't understand why people are so bent out of shape about that. I mean, the lying pissed me off, but the adultery was kind of expected. How easy we forget that a man like Benjamin Franklin was a womanizer, and Thomas Jefferson was getting it on with one of his slaves. Obviously those little facts haven't taken away from their perceived greatness. Rich white guys like to get their rocks off. So what? :rolleyes: And guess who we have elected just about every single time into the Presidency!

The fallacy of that argument is, they are dead and did not affect the present population.

Most people are upset about it because i think it showed the Presidency in a bad light to the world and something that offends most religious sensabilities: sex.

I think those two were the biggest contribution to why people bring that up with Clinton.

[iamnotspock]

I have no problem with someone wanting absolute power (sometimes its the only way to really fix something, in the case of the US, I feel sometimes it would take a dictator to fix some of our problems.)

The big reason I dislike her, is her polarizing stature, and the fear that she would tear the democratic party down, and leave it in a pile of ashes that would take a generation or more to fix. If it's between McCain, and Clinton, my vote is for McCain.

I would be willing to switch to the GOP if McCain can rip out the ugly, nasty Christian right, and replace it with republicans who stand for less social control, and more personal freedom. While some argue McCain wouldn't accomplish this I beg to differ. I think his animosity with quite possibly the biggest proponents of social control; The Christian Right would help rid this county of the tight testicular grip that group has over us right now. Yes he would continue with the outlandish Military spending we have now, and quite possibly would continue to fund programs that dig deeper into our personal lives, but I think in the end that the GOP would move away from these programs with a McCain presidency.

McCain has kissed the right-wing Christian butt for some time now. His social policy is also to overthrow Roe v. Wade. Not the right guy to put the wingnuts back in their place.

[fonmaneal]

Oh, cum on now(yes a Bill joke). We do not have a trinary, but a quadrangular government. An armed populace keep the elite scared. Hence that is the first RIGHT THEY would take away(for your own good, of course). Then we all wear the yoke.

[Danisty]

Danisty.. "I don't respect women who accept cheating husbands" Please say you also feel that way regarding husbands too, and how can you be sure all you vote for have never had an affair?Absolutely! We just happen to be talking about a woman in this thread. My mother-in-law cheated on my father-in-law as well and I don't have respect for him either because he let her walk all over him for years before he finally divorced her.

[Mr Galt]

All I hate about her is Bill...and the fact that she's running against Obama. Personally I'd rather have a cool and calculating president than some "hope-filled" lover of everyone and everything who wants to give the country a big hug.

Oddly, however, I like Obama...in spite of that description.

[Bossy Mom]

Hillary really had a bad day yesterday (the Potomac primaries). I almost felt sorry for her. Either way - with Hillary or Obama -- people voting for them are expecting them to make their lives perfect. Wake up, people. We are voting for a president, not a god.

[iamnotspock]

Hillary thinks Texas is gonna save her. I doubt it. My informal poll tells me she is drawing the racist rural crowd, the bitter feminist crowd, and the racist old people crowd (includes my parents). Obama draws the rest, including the backlash against all the above. So I'd call Texas for Obama and say, "See ya on the Hill, Hill."

[coffeeloverfreak]

Hillary comes across as too contrived, too willing-to-say-anything-that-gets-her-elected. Her opinions don't come across as passionate or true, but merely as whatever she thinks means 50%+1. That's mostly what I don't like about her.

Personally, I couldn't care a whit about Bill's infidelity or her reaction - or lack thereof. To me, that's a personal life matter, and has been blown way out of proportion in the public arena. Whether their marriage is a true marriage or just a strategic alliance, well, that's really their business, isn't it? It doesn't really reflect on what kind of president she'd be.

That said, while Obama comes across as more idealistic, more impassioned, he also seems a bit vague and naive on some policy points. Hillary is part of the Washington machine, sure, which is distasteful but also useful. Her positions are better documented, her abilities more proven, and her responses much more nuanced.

If I had to vote, I'd probably pick Hillary over Obama, plastic puppet syndrome and all. She's not an ideal candidate, but she seems to be a more pragmatic one. Obama comes across as someone who could let his ideals get in the way of good government - in that, he's not unlike Bush Jr (albeit on the other side). Maybe it's the cynic in me that would rather have a world-weary cynic than a naive idealist in a position of power.

All that said, I get how Obama is inspiring people that Hillary will never be able to reach. I understand that he has a way of mobilizing people that hasn't been seen possibly since Bobby Kennedy. And I do feel that he has a better chance of beating McCain. But... I still think that, no matter who the Democratic nominee is, McCain will win.

Disclaimer to all of the above: I have no personal stake in this. I'm Canadian.

[Lights]

I wonder if Hilary would be a little less frigid if Bill gave her some luving. :thinking:

Oh gawd, did I say that? I've spent too much time on this forum! :cry:

[coffeeloverfreak]

I wonder if Hilary would be a little less frigid if Bill gave her some luving. :thinking:

Oh gawd, did I say that? I've spent too much time on this forum! :cry:

*LOL* Personally I doubt that Bill is the source of any of the "luving" that Hillary might be getting these days. Once again, no bearing on her candidacy, just my personal speculation on her life.

[iamnotspock]

I think Hillary made a strategic error in maintaining an all-female staff. Not only does it come across as sexist, but it lacks the diversity needed to address the full spectrum of opinions. I.e., she doesn't get Obama's appeal, and attacks him the wrong way.

Her policy positions were also wrong. Supporting Iraq? That is the height of naive. I believe too much time in Washington is a negative which she and McCain both suffer.

As for Bush Jr. he is not an idealist. He's the epitome of no idealism. Will say anything for another day in the office to plunder the treasury. Obama is a far different breed. I think he'll win.

[1OFMANY]

read these then tell me the clintons are harmless...some of them are just tooo frikkin funny:

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[Quite Robert]

My biggest problem with her is that she is so devise and political we will continue to not get anything done.

[Kfbr]

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This is why I hate her. Shameless.

[burazekun]

Alright.

I will say that I do NOT hate Hillary, but I dont prefer to see her in office. First reason that alerted me was alternative fuel research. Her plan was acward, promoting nothing but more money out of the government pocket. Both Obama and Hillary had simular plans. Tax gas. They both agree that allot of effort should be put into research and developement.

Great idea, and both say they are linked. However Hillary plans on taxing the gas, then giving it back to people under a certian salary. I would fit into that, however, where that extra amount of money come from for alternative fuels research and developement is mostly the government pocket. Something that could cause economical stress and she'd end up walking a fine line to be able ot do it right.

Obama is putting all the taxed fuel into research and developement of alternative fuels research. This means that scientific communities would have an abundance of grants and loans without extended hurdles. This would entail that science would be done sooner without having to wait longer for these grants or loans to pass. Also would allow more scientists to join up with their ideas.

To add onto this, Hillary is scared to run as a women. Proof: She declined to be on the front page of Vogue, because it would make her look to womenly. But that's one of her biggest votes, 'not because she is smart, but because she is a women, and she is a first to challenge the office.' I thought at one point, 'I want to see a women in office." But after careful consideration I said to myself, "Maybe Hillary wont be that woman." And decided to look for a better canadite for the Presidential Office.

There are many issues I have with Hillary. And I do see her as somewhat controlling. Well actually sometimes I see her and I wonder who is the bigger man in her relationship. She likes to push, and she does not like to move, 'unless paid a large sum of lobbyist money.' So I sometimes see her and get scared because I invision her with a strap on ass raping poor old Bill. But maybe he likes that, but that scares me a large amount. I like my anal cherry to be whole!

Now that's all I am going to say on the subject matter for now. However there are other points that do get to me as well.

[lordrrr]

Hillary Clinton is a joke. She is nothing more than a loophole to let Bill Clinton serve another term. Not that Bill Clinton was a bad president, he was actually one of my more favorable ones, but that's mainly because not a lot happened around the world back then. In 2008 we need change I guess, which is why I don't want a republican or Hillary to win and why I want Obama to win (he seems the most promising and he seems like he REALLY wants to get things done).

[iamnotspock]

lordrr, I love the line that Hillary is a Loophole. Maybe that can be her next slogan/attack on Obama:

"Vote for the Loophole! (She's better than the asshole!)"