Small-scale biological terrorism

[rahdam]

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I can't begin to define how much I HATE the entire concept of intentionally infecting another human being. This is sick.
Thoughts? Do you think this tactic will spread?

aside: I have heard stories from time to time of people who go to something like the state fair with a vile of LSD and a glove; they dip their finger into the LSD, and then just tap others on the skin as they walk by to make them trip...

[Aristocrat Porn]

you mean vial, and that sounds like a cool thing to do, i'm sure liquid lsd isn't cheap or anything.

[Muadib]

That is a brilliant tactic. Im sorry if people think it is a terrible idea but to win you have to overcome the enemy's will to fight, and you must do whatever you can that works. An ancestor of mine did it with smallpox hospital blankets. The tactic is not new either it has been used from the days of ancient rome when enemies would lob dead cattle into besieged towns to spread disease. Just happens that they have found a very covert way of doing the same thing, brilliant I say, just brilliant.

[reb]

i had a friend in high school that some random dingbat put lsd in his drink. friend wound up in the mental ward. had no idea what happened to him. took him months to get over.

having said that, if a group is telling me 'we're going to kill you.', then as far as i am concerned, i have no morals. whatever kills them first is fine with me. 'we' have enemies. if we choose to fail to recognize them for what they are, then we pay. this country is filled with people who have blinders on...they will pay. i'm with Muadib, the tactic is brilliant. the failure to counter it is stupid. rarely do the stupid win a war.....the u.s. has been 'stupid' since the korean war; our policies of 'limited war' don't work, and we don't seem to learn that lesson.

[Hamburglar]

Muadib- how do you distinguish between civilian supporters and civilian objectors?

Or is it perfectly moral to kill both of them if they are on the wrong side of the proverbial line?

For instance, did the Union forces in the US civil war have the moral authority to shoot men, women, and children irregardless of their sympathies? Would it be immoral to kill 'slaves' who had no vote in the matter of seceding?

[Night Runner]

Muadib- how do you distinguish between civilian supporters and civilian objectors?

Or is it perfectly moral to kill both of them if they are on the wrong side of the proverbial line?

Actually, a number of terrorist organizations (such as al-Qaeda and Taliban) use the one-size-fit-all method in their attacks. Their reasoning is that if you're a citizen of, say, the United States, you pay taxes and thus support (or at the very least enable) the actions of your government. I know, it's a very weak argument, but apparently it works fine as a justification for their indiscriminate attacks...

[rahdam]

That is a brilliant tactic. Im sorry if people think it is a terrible idea but to win you have to overcome the enemy's will to fight, and you must do whatever you can that works. An ancestor of mine did it with smallpox hospital blankets. The tactic is not new either it has been used from the days of ancient rome when enemies would lob dead cattle into besieged towns to spread disease. Just happens that they have found a very covert way of doing the same thing, brilliant I say, just brilliant.

By the same argument, if the Chinese government wants to win, couldn't they simply engage in a little ethnic cleansing?

Why is it the little guy is allowed to use these types of tactics with less scrutiny than the big guy, generally speaking?

[polaroid]

Why is it the little guy is allowed to use these types of tactics with less scrutiny than the big guy, generally speaking?

Well, generally speaking, the big guy is also touting itself as the "good guy," that is, the one with all the moral scruples and such.

[SirJac]

I wonder how effective such a tactic would be here? Considering that we in the west have more people with greater understanding of the biosciences, such an attack would certainly use a much more specialized virus. In a crowd it wouldn't be terribly difficult to infect people without being identified.

I'm concerned that in the future biotechnology will advance enough to make viruses that can discriminate based on a person's DNA. Such technology would make widespread genocide possible by a small group of educated individuals and would be almost impossible to prevent or counter.

[Hamburglar]

who is to say it has not been developed already?

[rahdam]

Well, generally speaking, the big guy is also touting itself as the "good guy," that is, the one with all the moral scruples and such.

Come now...you think hamas would call itself the "bad guy"...you think hezbollah would call itself the "bad guy"...EVERYONE calls themselves the "good guys".

[Mader]

It isn't the virus that matters - it is the fear(terror) created in the populace.

Expect folks to start killing each other on the street 'he had a needle and was about to stab me'.

Terrorists play by different rules than formal armies. They have no rules of engagement so they must be dealt with differently. They must be stopped, period. Ugly, yes! All war is ugly, but those old fashioned rules of engagement, the gentlemen's war, developed to protect the innocent citizen who cannot protect himself - similar to telling a bully to pick on someone his own size instead of the littlest kid in the class. The concept of behaving honorably in war seems oxymoronic, but it means that I fought someone who could fight back. I didn't kill women, children and old people who couldn't defend themselves. I didn't enjoy watching someone suffer, making children starve to death wasn't part of the plan. (remember, I said that all war is ugly and I wish we didn't have to fight anyone). Can't say any of that about terrorists.

Bullies must be stopped. There is no compromise, not on the schoolyard, not out here in the big world. You cannot reason with a bully. Abusive parents are bullies, abusive bosses are bullies Ever wonder why a woman stays with a man who beats her up? Because he apologizes and promises to never do it again and she believes him. But the bully will hit her again, then apologize, then behave, then hit...bullies don't stop until someone makes them stop.

[Night Runner]

I'd advise all posters to read Global Terrorism: A Beginner's Guide (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) - it discusses in great detail why you can't have terrorism without terror, and how terrorists deal with technological inequalities (i.e., low-tech handmade bombs versus tanks). :)

[RBM]

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I can't begin to define how much I HATE the entire concept of intentionally infecting another human being. This is sick.
Thoughts? Do you think this tactic will spread?

From the OP link:

Over the past month, more than 400 ethnic majority Han Chinese have been stabbed with tainted syringes by Uyghurs, the Muslim minority, according to local news reports. The stabbings fueled Thursday's protests by Han Chinese in the capital of China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

Interesting to see comments focusing on the most shallow of issues (methodology of reprisal/weaponry used) in this looooong history between these ethnic groups.

Oppression has consequences. Oh well.

[Visum]

Well shoot, isn't the H1N1 virus a biological weapon introduced to the whole world, and only the US and other financially well off countries will force vaccinate their populations. Sorry I couldn't help with the conspiracy.

[Profit]

Well shoot, isn't the H1N1 virus a biological weapon introduced to the whole world, and only the US and other financially well off countries will force vaccinate their populations. Sorry I couldn't help with the conspiracy.

Hold on Visum, don't blame this on the US.....H1N1 = Swine Flu, Muslims don't eat pork, the pigs and radical Islamofascists have united and are spreading the H1N1 virus cause they hate our freedoms (and we eat pork).

[reb]

Visum, given what i have experienced of the medical community, i question whether the vaccinations will have any benefit. if it is remotely true the cia started the aids virus, and any shred true that our government released h1n1, then we shot ourselves in the whatever...again. almost all of congress has aides lol!

war is war. if 'i am going to get involved in a war', then the purpose would be complete destruction of the enemy. note how the u.s. has been fighting wars...i think a lot of what goes on is 'hollywood' wars. for the entertainment of the populace. perhaps so is terrorism...it got 'the patriot act' passed. i've always tried to 'follow the money'; wouldn't it be darkly humorous were some honest, gutsy investigative reporter to find out and publish that the u.s.s. of a. government has funded al quacka? we DID during the time the russians were in afghanistan...pawns, all of us. lol! i love this shit. truly i do.

[Visum]

lol! RBM, if we could only track the dollars...the ones 'not tracked' are legion compared to the ones we know of, i garontee you. (Justin Wilson's 'garontee' here).

....and they say they don't know where the stimulus money went lol! they are unconvincing when they lie.

Yeah, I don't trust the vaccination, and I wouldn't take it unless forced. I doubt the flu was intentionally created but it is obvious the pharmaceuticals are setting to capitalize on it.
Regarding the stimulus, probably another thread. The US is the only country that can make dollars. The FED is backing any bank in the world that has legally lent out dollars. This is why the FED does not want to be exposed, because the smaller banks integrity will become rightfully jeopardized and we don't want any more international enemies :-) . Basically it is the joys of holding a reserve currency.

[Pandemonium]

This is slightly off topic.

The Uyghur population has never had the kind of press coverage as they do now. No one outside of China has really cared about their plight nor knew they even existed. Now that the media band wagon has jumped onto this it would seem that foreign entities are trying to cause an minority uprising in China or atleast a pain in the ass.

Congratulations to western nations for always wanting to a portion of another country destabilize. Chinese officials are unofficially blaming the USA for this one. Do you think they have any merit or is it just the Chinese wanting to blame everything on the USA?

It has not been uncommon for American foreign policy to engage in such proceedings (bay of pigs).

[hubcap]

Muadib- how do you distinguish between civilian supporters and civilian objectors?

Or is it perfectly moral to kill both of them if they are on the wrong side of the proverbial line?

For instance, did the Union forces in the US civil war have the moral authority to shoot men, women, and children irregardless of their sympathies? Would it be immoral to kill 'slaves' who had no vote in the matter of seceding?
Was it moral to kill all those innocent Japanese civilians at Hiroshima?

Whether it is moral or not is irrelevant.

"Innocents" are killed in every war.

What matters is winning.

We can argue about morals after we have won.

[reb]

Congratulations to western nations for always wanting to a portion of another country destabilize. Chinese officials are unofficially blaming the USA for this one. Do you think they have any merit or is it just the Chinese wanting to blame everything on the USA?

It has not been uncommon for American foreign policy to engage in such proceedings (bay of pigs).

Pande, they got so good at this, they are doing it in their own country now. lol! their continued failure to make this 'mao tse tung' tactic work is exemplary of their incompetence.

[timetraveler]

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I can't begin to define how much I HATE the entire concept of intentionally infecting another human being. This is sick.
Thoughts? Do you think this tactic will spread?

aside: I have heard stories from time to time of people who go to something like the state fair with a vile of LSD and a glove; they dip their finger into the LSD, and then just tap others on the skin as they walk by to make them trip...

Did you hear about those dutch fellows intentionally injecting people with HIV?
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or what about the AIDs man?
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