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reb
08-30-2009, 08:51 AM
i got this in an email. i 'snopsed' it; couldn't get a hit. i blackled it, got multiple pages. got tired of looking after 10. the 'url' at the bottom is the most rational discussion i could find on the matter. feel free to chew it up-i detest this president-i have detested most presidents since jaime carter; if you get extremely emotional, i will ignore you-you may scream at other emotional people all the mods/admins will put up with, however. my republican friends have gotten emotional, and mostly i'm ignoring their rants; democrats are still in post orgasmic huggles, so they don't have much cogent to say. i guess 'losing' is more important than running the country to both parties. Note-i am not using the terms 'right or left'-neither the reps or the dems are actually right or left, they are parties beholden to the thriving of the party-look at the definition of party for a good laugh.....however, this is so intriguing, i cannot help myself. if Fitzpatrick actually went out on this limb, he has my full respect-to quote Bob Wills 'Big Ball's in Cowtown'. the consequences could be dire. email follows, then blog url:

Naval commander charges "Obama" with treason

Interesting catch -22: The "president" is either guilty as charged or Lt. Commander Walter F. Fitzpatrick III (Ret.) is guilty of mutiny

By JB Williams

Either Barack Hussein Obama is guilty of treason, as formally charged in a March, 2009 federal criminal complaint filed by retired Navy Lt. Comm ander Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III, on March 17th, (or) Cmdr. Fitzpatrick is indeed guilty of mutiny: "Forcible or passive resistance to lawful authority; especially: concerted revolt (as of a naval crew) against discipline or a superior officer."

There is no higher authority for a U.S. naval commander than the superior office of commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces, the president of the United States. Yet, Cmdr. Fitzpatrick has publicly and formally charged "President" Barack Hussein Obama with the high crime of treason in a federal complaint filed with James R. Dedrick U.S. Attorney, Eastern District Tennessee, and Edgar Schmutzer, Dedrick’s Assistant U.S. Attorney on March 17, 2009.

In doing so, LCDR Fitzpatrick opened himself up to the very serious charge of mutiny, a crime which requires Court Martial and carries the penalty of death.

In the criminal complaint, Fitzpatrick has charged Barack Hussein Obama (and others alleged complicit) with treason, an act that, if false, constitutes an act of mutiny on behalf of Commander Fitzpatrick.

If, on the other hand, Commander Fitzpatrick is right, then the act constitutes the ultimate selfless act of true patriotism, and a glowing example of what it means to stand on an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

However, in order to be guilty of mut iny, Commander Fitzpatrick’s charges would have to be proven false. In order to be proven false, Obama’s secret files would have to be opened up for discovery, which explains why Obama has not charged the Commander with mutiny. Any defensive legal action on Obama’s part will result in "discovery" of the events and facts involved, and that is the last thing Obama wants at this point. So, instead of a legal defense, every effort will be made to defeat Commander Fitzpatrick in the court of public opinion, by attacking his character.

Commander Fitzpatrick is a retired career Naval Officer who has served his country with great honor and distinction and continues to today. An Eagle Scout of 40 years, the son of naval medical officer Captain Walter Fitzpatrick II, Cmdr. Fitzpatrick enlisted in the navy in 1969 directly after graduating Villanova. After boot camp at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, he attended the Naval Academy Preparatory School in Bainbridge, MD. After one year he entered the U.S. Naval Academy. He graduated with the Class of 1975 with top military honors.

Stand Commander Fitzpatrick next to that of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid, or most any other American for that matter, and tell me who you trust to tell the truth?

Aside from the trust issue, Cmdr. Fitzpatrick has nothing to gain by filing charges of treason against Obama but was willing to risk all in defense of t he U.S. Constitution and the people it was written to protect. The situation could hardly be more serious! If this were a game of high stakes poker, the Commander just went all-in!

From the official complaint: "Your criminal ascension manifests a clear and present danger. You fundamentally changed our form of government. The Constitution no longer works. Confidently holding your silent agreement and admission, I identify you as a foreign born domestic enemy. My sworn duty, Mr. Obama, is to stand against what you stand for. You are not my president. You are not my commander in chief."

There’s nothing at all ambiguous about this statement.. The basis upon which Commander Fitzpatrick makes his charge is equally straight forward. "You [Mr. Obama] have broken in and entered the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling and deceit. Posing as an imposter president and commander in chief, you have stripped civilian command and control over the military establishment. Known military criminal actors—command racketeers—are now free in the exercise of military government intent upon destruction of America’s constitutional government."

You can read the federal criminal complaint against Obama in its entirely at Commander Fitzpatrick’s blog site at To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. —The JAG Hunter...Dauntless and unafraid! where you can also find additional follow-up information.

[The complaint lists the litany of items of contention that have already been proved true, such as records not produced, records proved to be forgeries, associations with notorious organized criminals, drug traffickers and socialists].

Has Fitzpatrick lost his mind?

Fitzpatrick reports that two days after he filed his charges against the President of the United States, the Secret Service showed up on his doorstep - "Two Secret Service special agents came to my residence two months ago... on 19 March 2009, as directed by James Russell Dedrick, United States Attorney for the Eastern District, Tennessee. Dedrick and his assistant, attorney Edgar Schmutzer, triggered the Secret Service alert and reaction upon receipt of my federal criminal complaint naming Mr. Obama in commission of the crime of TREASON. Dedrick reported me a threat to the imposter Obama.

"The two Secret Service agents, escorted by two local police officers, arrived at eight minutes before 3 o’clock in the afternoon. They all left about an hour later. I’m still here."
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geez...formatting the returns out of this was a pain in the ass!

thod
08-30-2009, 09:15 AM
complaint filed by retired Navy Lt. Commander

The key word here is 'retired' thus he is not a serving officer. Officers may complain to the authorities about the conduct of superior officers, that is not uncommon. Officers can and do refuse to obey orders, they are thrown in the brig and then face a hearing. It is only mutiny if the officer attempts to take control of the ship (only allowed in a few cases, such as insanity).

So we have a non existent officer, not taking control of a non existent ship.

However, in order to be guilty of mutiny, Commander Fitzpatrick’s charges would have to be proven false.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser. Thus Obama need prove nothing.

These web site just get wackier and wackier.

Lucid
08-30-2009, 09:50 AM
To me it sounds like this guys is a freaking nut job. What treason, exactly, is Obama supposedly guilty of? There are lots of ways that a rational person can criticize Obama and his administration. I've seen plenty legitimate complaints here in this subforum (along with some really nutty, paranoid or down right retarded complaints). Treason, I think, is one of the sillier ones. Also, if the president of the United States were actually to be charged - truly charged- with treason, I think you would be hearing a LOT more about it from the mainstream media. If nothing else Fox News would be practically peeing their collective pants with glee. Glen Beck would be talking about almost nothing else. And Keith Olberman would be beside himself with righteous indignation.

My guess would be that this is another internet rumor.

Synamon
08-30-2009, 10:28 AM
imposter Obama

Sounds like more birther crap.

Profit
08-30-2009, 10:41 AM
I agree this smacks of birther crap dressed up in self righteous defense of the US constitution. Sounds like this guy has been watching too much Glen Beck and trolling too many ultra right web sites. One has to wonder where the outrage was when the supreme court essentially decided an election rather than allow a recount to be completed.

Night Runner
08-30-2009, 11:19 AM
Just because I'm bored...
filed by retired Navy Lt. Commander Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III
The key word is "retired." He's no longer on active duty, so he's just a grumpy old man. (Cool name, though.)
However, in order to be guilty of mut iny, Commander Fitzpatrick’s charges would have to be proven false.
In this country, the burden of proof always rests with the accuser.
So, instead of a legal defense, every effort will be made to defeat Commander Fitzpatrick in the court of public opinion, by attacking his character.
Funny - I thought that's what the right-wingers did...
Commander Fitzpatrick is a retired career Naval Officer who has served his country with great honor and distinction and continues to today. An Eagle Scout of 40 years, the son of naval medical officer Captain Walter Fitzpatrick II, Cmdr. Fitzpatrick enlisted in the navy in 1969 directly after graduating Villanova. After boot camp at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, he attended the Naval Academy Preparatory School in Bainbridge, MD. After one year he entered the U.S. Naval Academy. He graduated with the Class of 1975 with top military honors.

Good for him. So what?
Stand Commander Fitzpatrick next to that of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid, or most any other American for that matter, and tell me who you trust to tell the truth?

Fallacy. Should we start putting generals in the White House? Obama was elected. Furthermore, by the same logic, the entire Bush administration must be prosecuted for not following the advice of one Colin Powell, a distinguished veteran and a strategist.
Aside from the trust issue, Cmdr. Fitzpatrick has nothing to gain by filing charges of treason against Obama but was willing to risk all in defense of t he U.S. Constitution and the people it was written to protect. The situation could hardly be more serious! If this were a game of high stakes poker, the Commander just went all-in!
Easy on exclamation marks there... He didn't go all in - if anything, he stumbled up to a poker table thinking he was going to play blackjack.
From the official complaint: "Your criminal ascension manifests a clear and present danger.
How was it criminal?
You fundamentally changed our form of government.
Last time I checked, we still had the executive, the legislative and the judicial branch. Was there a revolution I wasn't aware of? :suspicious:
The Constitution no longer works.
When did it ever?..
Confidently holding your silent agreement and admission, I identify you as a foreign born domestic enemy.
Another birther. Case closed...
"You [Mr. Obama] have broken in and entered the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling and deceit.
ORLY? How did that happen, exactly? Because I'm pretty sure he carried both the popular and the electoral vote in November.
Has Fitzpatrick lost his mind?
That probability seems likely.

Hamburglar
08-30-2009, 11:57 AM
"You [Mr. Obama] have broken in and entered the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling and deceit.

That is exactly how any human interacts on a daily basis. Why should our politicians be held to a different standard? I guess it just sounds more legitimate when you single him out for it, because nobody would like to admit they act like this.

On a political note: I love the insinuation of breaking and entering associated with the first black president. I also note that Democrats accused Bush (an elite) with stealing the election.

I officially label this: POLITICAL PROPAGANDA - Building the whisper campaign to hate Obama in 2012

Tocsin
08-30-2009, 12:14 PM
People who can't handle reality invent more comforting fantasies which they consider real.

They tend to get very upset when someone points out to them that their fantasies are not real.

He have a new president.

He is not a Republican... and... he is... not... not..... he's not white!

He must be an imposter...

You can practically see the steam coming out of the ears of Sarah Palin's "Real American" types when they have to deal with the reality of a non-white, non-republican sitting in the White House - by actually winning an election.

They can't handle it, plain and simple, and even the most ludicrous reason to deny it is good enough for them.

RBM
08-30-2009, 12:46 PM
I detest Obama cause I conclude he is is corrupt politico of a corrupt system.

reb
08-30-2009, 02:38 PM
after spending an hour on the net this morning, trying to 'proof' this thing, and just blackleing 'rights of retired naval officers' and seeing a wad of hits that are not relevant to what i want, i am not going to spend another hour or two digging through thousands of pages.

so far, i see some logic, some emotion, but no uniform code of military justice language. no jag attorneys on board? no miltary officers or ex-military officers with legal backgrounds at all?

i don't give a shit if the officer is retired, or if the president is black. unless there is something in the code or law that prevents the man from filing this suit, it may be 'for real'. the officer may still have rights under the ucmj to file charges for all i can tell. birther crap? i don't care where the socialist was born. the president has not so far done anything to support the Constitution or the general public. neither did the last doough dough (so you won't read it doodoo, although that fits too) we had. or the one before him. or...etc. i DO give a shit if this filing is 'for real'. that may lead to all sorts of interesting things. these things are at least entertaining enough, i feel like i got my 'matinee money's worth'. most of what comes out of washington is like a poor b movie. you would think they could hire someone prettier than hillary for all the bucks we pay. or for that matter, some of the guys in the white house..i don't normally look at 'men' as being 'pretty', but it would be damn nice to see a 'pretty one' or at least a presentable one come out on the podium. obama looks like he hasn't had enough to eat. tip o'neill, now THERE was a man you could tell enjoyed the perqs of his office.

thod
08-30-2009, 03:09 PM
There is nothing that prevents him filing this suit. Anyone can file against anyone. That is very different from the case having merit. I expect the president has to field two rape charges a day filed against him by crazy women with a Negro fetish. The big difference with the president is he must not be constantly called to court to answer these charges. It would be easy to lock him down with such frivolous lawsuits and that would prevent him doing his job. It would be a few opponents usurping the will of the people, who elected him to do that job.

I was not aware you had to support the constitution, I thought the idea was that you did not break it. After all he hasn't done anything to support any number of causes. Perhaps that is his biggest failing to date. Despite immense popularity and a platform of change, he has surrounded himself with establishment figures and opted for 'no change' policies. I suspect that he is being given the overwhelm treatment where they present so many options and consequences that he becomes paralysed in analysis. Thus he is out of his depth. The only way to change is ignore all the advice and details and tell them to figure it out, he must say what is to happen.

reb
08-30-2009, 03:13 PM
thod, when he took office, i am almost certain he took a public oath to 'support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign or domestic.' it goes on, but that's the words i remember...and it's been over 30 years for me. so don't hold me to that exact wording. i think the military oath is a little different, hence, so may the one for President.

Hamburglar
08-30-2009, 03:19 PM
After all he hasn't done anything to support any number of causes. Perhaps that is his biggest failing to date. Despite immense popularity and a platform of change, he has surrounded himself with establishment figures and opted for 'no change' policies. I suspect that he is being given the overwhelm treatment where they present so many options and consequences that he becomes paralysed in analysis. Thus he is out of his depth. The only way to change is ignore all the advice and details and tell them to figure it out, he must say what is to happen.

To address that point very quickly. Bush also ran on a Change platform. What a President quickly learns, but rarely will admit to publicly, is that changing course in Washington is next to impossible....If you could envision a cartoon of a super sized president with chains attatched at every point, and dragging huge institutions through the mud in a monsoonal rainstorm then you can understand how it might be hard to actually achieve that platform promise. He will change somethings, but probably nothing that will be noticed for years to come, and with HC he can make at least one visible change that will make or break his re-election. This is why every conservative-no matter how much health care reform might actually help them on a personal basis- will bite, claw, chew, and pretty much do whatever it takes to "win" the debate and kill reform. Bush was lucky in this regard that his primary platform (the war on terror) enjoyed bi-partisan support, and the democrats quickly realized how badly they fucked up for supporting it. When his re-election came all he had to do was say "see I kept the country safe, and the democrats supported the war - i'm a uniter, not a divider". If Obama gets health care he can say he kept Americans safe, if he doesn't then he will have the much harder case to show all the incremental changes will eventually effect Americans. A much harder case to prove. It's like building a monument versus actually fixing shit. People fucking love monuments.

with regard to the topic at hand...I've always signed up for newsletters of both sides, and I saw the same shit being spun from the left about Bush, and all his repub cronies....you just cannot take much stock in it...even if you marginally agree. You must base your opinions on substantiated facts, not clever wording and hidden symbolism/metaphor.

Grimstad
09-03-2009, 02:17 AM
People who can't handle reality invent more comforting fantasies which they consider real.

They tend to get very upset when someone points out to them that their fantasies are not real.

He have a new president.

He is not a Republican... and... he is... not... not..... he's not white!

He must be an imposter...

You can practically see the steam coming out of the ears of Sarah Palin's "Real American" types when they have to deal with the reality of a non-white, non-republican sitting in the White House - by actually winning an election.

They can't handle it, plain and simple, and even the most ludicrous reason to deny it is good enough for them.

Unfortunate but true. I think they are all in a state of hysterical shock and should all be briskly slapped across the face. Not that I think it would do any good, I just want to see them get slapped. Pure caucasian gun nut that I am.

reb
09-03-2009, 07:04 AM
i am completely egalitarian..i think everyone in washington should be trout slapped with the (now very funky) trout. there IS something fishy there, and has been since they built the damned place on a swamp....this would give me even greater pleasure if a security measure were instituted whereby anyone getting into the district had to pass a chekcpoint every morning, and be slapped by the poor sod making $7 an hour standing guard at the gate. i think i might feel ecstasy were this to happen (she would not like it, but the hell with her)....pure mongrel gun nut that i am.

Prunesquallor
09-03-2009, 04:33 PM
yet another nut job...yeesh

I'm not madly in love with Obama, despite him being treated like the new Jesus over here, but for god's sake, can't these people come up with real complaints? It's not like there's nothing valid they could say against him. He's hardly perfect.

Muadib
09-03-2009, 04:43 PM
i am completely egalitarian..i think everyone in washington should be trout slapped with the (now very funky) trout. there IS something fishy there, and has been since they built the damned place on a swamp....this would give me even greater pleasure if a security measure were instituted whereby anyone getting into the district had to pass a chekcpoint every morning, and be slapped by the poor sod making $7 an hour standing guard at the gate. i think i might feel ecstasy were this to happen (she would not like it, but the hell with her)....pure mongrel gun nut that i am.

It (DC) could always get burned to the ground again....oh as to mutiny your commission is never removed (you carry it for life unless it is stripped from you). He could be charged with conduct unbecoming and officer or something like that but what he did was not mutiny per se.

reb
09-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Muadib,

see, that's the part i'm not sure of. i'm pretty certain that a guy with enough $ could find a way to file a 'treason' lawsuit. however, if he's retired, i cannot find the legal rights of a retired u.s. navy officer on the web; i have lost track of my military and legal contacts. i think you are correct; the commission is for life if you retire without blemish.

this email was a hard nut to crack. there's a combination of 'possibility' and 'that's crazy' in it. i suppose, in due time, we'll see if there is actually a treason lawsuit. if there is, then if there is a possibilty of some revenge against the officer (if he is in fact retired navy), we'll see what revenge is taken.

if the whole thing is invented, it's pretty damned artful. some of this far right stuff is amazing...as is the far left. the far left people have quit emailing me pretty much...i find their 'addiction to socialism' distasteful-they remind me of franklin delano roosevelt; i watched a history piece on the ford riots of about 1931 or 32 last night...interesitng the history of socialism in this country.

i have to laugh when i hear someone like sean hannity say 'the republicans are conservative'. the republicans are not enough different from the democratic party to interest me. we may as well have one party to cease the arguments.

Mader
09-04-2009, 03:34 AM
I have never heard of rank being removed after retirement - unless he is in the reserves.

What treason or what ever is he accusing the President of? I am confused. Some suggested the birth certificate thing (his Mother was born in America and remained a citizen, therefore, no matter where Obama lived, he was American), the Indonesian adoption thing (I have never seen anything on paper, lots of verbal, nothing on paper) the financing of his Harvard years (I have no info on this at all). So, I don't know.

Or is he saying that the President has changed some views since taking office (imagine that, those security briefs do that sometimes) therefore he was violated his campaign promises and should be removed (can we do that !!!!!!!)

More info please. I know, I am lazy, but I have been on the net all night doing research on Afghanistan, Van Jones believing that the US blew up the Twin Towers (he is the Green Jobs Czar for Obama), Dr Ezekiel Emanuel's position on assisted suicide and rationing medical care based on individual value to society, my fingers are tired of doing the walking. Love to know more about this.

Nemesis
09-04-2009, 05:49 AM
Sounds like more birther crap.

Yeah, I remember coming across articles about this garbage when it first started hitting the press and that is definitely the crux of it.


I'm not madly in love with Obama, despite him being treated like the new Jesus over here, but for god's sake, can't these people come up with real complaints? It's not like there's nothing valid they could say against him. He's hardly perfect.

Agreed! In my view, all politicians are morons for very good reasons. Thus, Obama is a moron too. But, our moron is worse than America's moron. Maybe we should aid the Americans in ousting him for b.s reasons and then we could swap our morons. Prime minister Obama doesn't sound all that bad to me right now. :p

reb
09-04-2009, 07:41 AM
I have never heard of rank being removed after retirement - unless he is in the reserves.

What treason or what ever is he accusing the President of? I am confused. Some suggested the birth certificate thing (his Mother was born in America and remained a citizen, therefore, no matter where Obama lived, he was American), the Indonesian adoption thing (I have never seen anything on paper, lots of verbal, nothing on paper) the financing of his Harvard years (I have no info on this at all). So, I don't know.


Mader, this whole thing interests me, as, if it goes to court, we'll see the 'nixon defense' and national security raised 'again'. read the email i got...it tells one just enough to make one curious.

i could not find anything on the net to reinforce the points in the email. when i can't even find snopes saying 'false' on a right wing email, i get really curious.

obama is no more of a traitor than bush i, clinton, bush ii, or even jimmy carter. carter was so incompetent, he committed treason by holding the office to begin with. none of them have fully supported the Constitution.

i was hoping someone could give me some facts; instead, what i have seen moslty is emotional political positions. these are discouraging, as they tell me people are still listening to the two parties, and not thinking outside the box. if anyone could prove obama is not a citizen, that'd be big news. the attempt to hook him to 'not supporting the Constitution' will be so subjective, the courts will eat it up, and he will be like the last several presidents...allowed to stay and sully the office with his ideology and strategy. the working people of this country can't stand much more of this kinda crap; the government has turned a number of them into paupers, living from paycheck to paycheck-i hear so many 'debt consolidation' ads, it kinda scares me a little.

so now, i'm waiting to see if 'obama sued for treason' makes the news...like you, i've had all the 'finger walking' on the matter i can stand. time will tell.

have a snooze...you'll feel better.

Hamburglar
09-04-2009, 08:27 AM
Legitimately, what keeps you in this country Reb? How can you live in a society with such a corrupted system? If I viewed America as you do, I would have moved decades ago. --Not flaming/I really want to know.

escapist11
09-05-2009, 10:24 AM
Hmm...Racism doesn't exist anymore? People are just looking for any little reason to hate him.
They're all in denial. I voted for him and am not ashamed it.

I think everyone's getting their panties all up in a wad because here's a president who's actually doing what he said he was going to do during his campaign. Nobody is used to a president moving so quickly on his ideas. It's all just a bunch of Republicans who are crying because he's not "white" and they're looking for any excuse to get him out of office and get a nice, old, white man in there.

P.S. My stepmom, who voted McCain, sent me two "NObama" type emails last night. I could tell from the subject lines everything that was probably in the email. I didn't even bother to open them. I just deleted them...but after finding this thread, I think I should have saved them and actually opened them up so I could post them on here. Also, whoever came up with the "NObama" phrase probably thinks they are so clever. NOBODY could see that one coming. They're so smart and unique. *note the sarcasm*

reb
09-05-2009, 11:33 AM
that's exactly right...it's racism and party politics. all of it. i want to hate, and he's convenient.

the government will take good care of you.

when i started this thread, i told everyone i could not confirm anything in the email i got. i asked those who had knowledge-real knowledge to confirm issues in the email. all you are confirming is your party politics and that you strive very hard to not be racist, but want to accuse others of it.

what facts are you confirming, escapist? the email still floats there, with so far only that a retired military officer retains his rank. nothing about 'has a lawsuit been filed against the president?' or 'does the filing of a treason charge by a retired military officer have a backlash to it, to the effect that failing to prove the charges would cause him to be subject to ucmj?'

you certainly don't have to be ashamed of obama, but if you are not ashamed of your government and their actions in the last 30 years, you are completely unaware of reality.

Grimstad
09-05-2009, 02:44 PM
30 years, 60 years or 160 years. What does it matter? When are we going to stop gouging each others eyes out and move on?
I think Obama took a leap in the right direction when he basically apologized to the world on his trip to Europe. Unfortunately the (American) right wing doesn’t see it like that. That’s why they keep circulating this birther crap. It’s no different than the truther crap from the Bush haters (I am one), but I’m not about to buy into the paranoia just because I hate the guy or try and perpetuate a lie to see him go down.
Okay, back on subject.

While doing a little research I came across this…
Secondly, the accusation of treason comes from a retired member of the U.S. military officer, Lt. Cmdr. Walter Fitzpatrick III, who has presented his complaint to U.S. Attorney Russell Dedrick in Tennessee, the presentment explains.

In that, he alleged, "Now you [Obama] have broken in and entered the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling, and deceit. Posing as an impostor president and commander in chief you have stripped civilian command and control over the military establishment. Known military criminal actors-command racketeers-are now free in the exercise of military government intent upon destruction of America's constitutional government. We come now to this reckoning. I accuse you and your military-political criminal assistants of TREASON. I name you and your military criminal associates as traitors. Your criminal ascension manifests a clear and present danger. You fundamentally changed our form of government. The Constitution no longer works."
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Article 88 seems to be the rule in question regarding any backlash and here is where it mentions retirees.

(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.
(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.

And the charge in question would be

907. ART. 107. FALSE STATEMENTS
Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other official document, knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Or possibly

931. ART. 131. PERJURY
Any person subject to this chapter who in a judicial proceeding or in a course of justice willfully and corruptly--
(1) upon a lawful oath or in a form allowed by law to be substituted for an oath, gives any false testimony material to the issue or matter of inquiry; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty or perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, subscribes any false statement material to the issue or matter of inquiry;
is guilty of perjury and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

I guess it all hinges on whether the guy is receiving retirement pay or medical care. Odds are he is and would therefore be subject to UCMJ. And also whether he knows the statement to be false.

reb
09-05-2009, 06:33 PM
Grim,
to answer your question, as long as there are party politics, and people and opinions, we will continue the gouging, i think.

this only leaves the question of 'has a suit been filed?'.

good research. thanks.

i don't understand 'bush haters' or 'obama haters'. all politicians suck. some suck more publicly, some are more sly...but they all suck.