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Paul V
11-08-2007, 03:53 PM
I found this test and I was curious to see if INTJs were as moral as I was (and I'm disgustingly ethical. Really).

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Results

You scored 38 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.
Background

Scores on the questionnaire form a scale that tracks the development of reasoning from childhood through to adulthood about social, ethical and moral issues. The original research using this questionnaire was conducted in the United States by Kohlberg and was followed up by John Gibbs, Karen Basinger and Dick Fuller.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

Some people progress to a level where they base their moral reasoning on universal values. Others become fixed at earlier stages depending upon circumstances. But recent research has suggested that it is possible to change the way you reason about your social responsibilities

HarleyQuinn
11-08-2007, 05:49 PM
Hmm... interesting as my score was: 37 out of 44

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

brewmaster
11-08-2007, 06:28 PM
34/44

Interesting questions how they guage morality.

Headstrong
11-08-2007, 09:50 PM
I landed in the same category as you, PaulV.

Jbmontag
11-08-2007, 10:11 PM
Results

You scored 40 out of a total of 44.

1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

thecraig
11-09-2007, 08:21 AM
You scored 36.5 out of a total of 44

Paul V
11-09-2007, 09:34 AM
Yay! I'm not alone in this unethical world! Nobody I know has scored higher than me, except for really old relatives of mine.

34/44

Interesting questions how they guage morality.

I thought that very thing myself. The answers you can choose are rather intriguing as well.

rwyatt365
11-09-2007, 10:10 AM
37.5

The Rose
11-09-2007, 05:13 PM
You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

gwalchma
11-09-2007, 06:06 PM
You scored 35.5 out of a total of 44.

Evalind
11-10-2007, 06:36 AM
37/44

Toby
11-12-2007, 12:01 PM
34.5

Bossy Mom
11-12-2007, 04:34 PM
I got 42 out of 44. My kids think I'm "too moral" if there is such a thing. Now I need to brag about it!

Paul V
11-12-2007, 05:35 PM
I got 42 out of 44. My kids think I'm "too moral" if there is such a thing. Now I need to brag about it!

There isn't, and I wish my mom was like you. :P

generalowk
11-12-2007, 06:30 PM
41.5/44

NeonTetra
11-12-2007, 08:24 PM
You scored 39.5 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Charlie Mc.
11-12-2007, 08:29 PM
40/44

NeonTetra
11-12-2007, 08:38 PM
I noticed most people are scoring above 35. I think I remember learning about this in my Psych 101 or something. What levels do you all think most people functioning?

Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
1. Obedience and punishment orientation (How can I avoid punishment?)
2. Self-interest orientation (What's in it for me?)

Level 2 (Conventional)
3. Interpersonal accord and conformity (The good boy/good girl attitude)
4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation (Law and order morality)

Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
5. Social contract orientation
6. Universal ethical principles (Principled conscience)

cielo market
11-13-2007, 04:33 PM
Yeah, I'm not surprised that so many are scoring so high. Aren't INTJs known for having a high concern for fairness because of our obsession with reason??

Aestheticbend
11-13-2007, 05:27 PM
I noticed most people are scoring above 35. I think I remember learning about this in my Psych 101 or something. What levels do you all think most people functioning?

Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
1. Obedience and punishment orientation (How can I avoid punishment?)
2. Self-interest orientation (What's in it for me?)

Level 2 (Conventional)
3. Interpersonal accord and conformity (The good boy/good girl attitude)
4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation (Law and order morality)

Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
5. Social contract orientation
6. Universal ethical principles (Principled conscience)


I think most people function at a level between 3 and 4. Other than people who study some form of ethical philosophy, the idea of universal ethical principles is generally viewed as totalitarian rather than humanitarian. My reasoning for this is on the basis of the modes of social organization which are predominant in the world. Democracy as an ideal reflects a disdain for universal ethical principles as what is right is implemented based on what the majority believes. Certainly, most democracies have limits through a constitution but generally the limits are usurped over time. The collective will which can be anything tends to usurp the universal ethical principles that are intended to be a part of a constitution.

I took the test, but none of the explanations really reflected what I feel the reasoning for universal ethical principles is. Mostly because I do not agree with the Socratic/Platonic routing of morality in obligation, which was reflected in most of the explanations that were not based purely on reciprocity. But I scored a 40/44.

Figmentum
11-14-2007, 12:06 PM
Average extraversion
People with average extraversion scores tend not to crave the company of others quite as much as people with high extraversion scores. But they also don't necessarily feel happiest on their own like people with low extraversion scores. They are somewhere in between. Sometimes they enjoy the stimulation of events like parties, but they are also more able to make their own entertainment.


Low agreeableness
People with low agreeableness scores are often fairly uncompromising. They refuse to be sentimental about other people and won't tolerate fools gladly. These people speak their mind and aren't afraid of offending people with their straight talking.


High conscientiousness
People with high conscientiousness scores like to do things properly. When they say they'll do something, they do it. They have a keen attention to detail and like things to be ordered and in their place. They like organisation and are prepared for every eventuality. They have a strong sense of responsibility.


High emotional stability
People with high emotional stability scores tend to have a fairly constant experience of life. Although they have ups and downs, they rarely suffer from an 'emotional rollercoaster' of rapid mood swings. They take life in their stride and are unflappable. They are more relaxed, slow to take offence and don't worry too much about little things.


High intellectualism
People with high intellectualism scores are interested the abstract. They like thinking about things they can't see and have creative imaginations, able to dream up whole new worlds. They like to feel they understand things and will probe deeply into a subject to get as good an insight as possible.


High emotional intelligence
People with high emotional intelligence scores see themselves as emotionally well balanced. They believe they are good at empathising with other people and have a good insight into their own emotional needs, drives and reactions. High scorers see themselves as well balanced and largely in control of their own emotions. They also tend to feel confident in interacting with people and believe they are able to connect with and influence others by using their emotional understanding.

Figmentum
11-14-2007, 12:09 PM
It's a different test, but from the same site. I'm a Pastel abstract artist, so this test interested me more.

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OneBadMother
11-14-2007, 04:41 PM
I also got in the mature catagory of morality, though there were some with which I had to choose the best-fit answer.

Kfbr
11-14-2007, 11:39 PM
35.5 / 44

Morality is subjective though, I think I lost points for the "I don't care if you kill yourself" question, haha

AllAboutSoul
11-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Wow, based on most of your scores, I feel down right amoral! :D

32.5/44

Darklord
11-15-2007, 12:11 AM
40 out of 44.

Meaning that I just happen to agree with the author on what constitutes right and wrong in most cases. However, I can find no objective basis for morality. Right and wrong is a point of view, consensus on which increases societal efficiency.

Henry
11-15-2007, 12:34 AM
I found this test and I was curious to see if INTJs were as moral as I was (and I'm disgustingly ethical. Really).

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With all due respect, this test is one of the silliest ventures I've seen. Take Kholberg's theory - flawed as it is - wrap it up in a populist test that takes less than 10 minutes to complete, and then spit out numerical results for how "moral" you are.

niffer
11-15-2007, 01:37 AM
32.5/44

Same as AllAboutSoul.
Interesting how the NFs scored the lowest.

Paul V
11-15-2007, 11:13 AM
With all due respect, this test is one of the silliest ventures I've seen. Take Kholberg's theory - flawed as it is - wrap it up in a populist test that takes less than 10 minutes to complete, and then spit out numerical results for how "moral" you are.

It was rather silly, yes. Hm. I wonder if morality can be objectively measured? I think not, but I'm not entirely sure.

Rei
11-25-2007, 06:16 PM
You scored 37 out of a total of 44.
Moral is a generally accepted idea of what is good.

If what you think is not what is generally accepted, it is not moral, it is your personal belief. I don't see why moral is objective.

I think this test is not bad. It takes into consideration how much the person believe in, and understand the importance their morals... not JUST how moral they are.
They ask you the reason for thinking each 'value' is important to see how clearly you see the reason for the need for such a value to be held, and are not holding such a value because you don't want to feel guilty, or you're told to, or you are told it is 'good'.

Puffi
11-27-2007, 05:15 PM
I got 36/44.

It doesn't seem like a very good test. It ignored some of my actual views so I just had to pick something. I'm quite surprised Kohlberg actually made this. It's hard for me to imagine anyone scoring below 30 in this, even though there should be a lot of people at that second stage if you believe the original test. Especially because younger people tend to take these online tests more, and morality seems to "mature" to your late thirties.

The generally accepted view of good doesn't mean it's moral. People who score high at least in the original Kohlberg test should realize this.

Rei
11-27-2007, 08:30 PM
I got 36/44.

It doesn't seem like a very good test. It ignored some of my actual views so I just had to pick something. I'm quite surprised Kohlberg actually made this. It's hard for me to imagine anyone scoring below 30 in this, even though there should be a lot of people at that second stage if you believe the original test. Especially because younger people tend to take these online tests more, and morality seems to "mature" to your late thirties.

The generally accepted view of good doesn't mean it's moral. People who score high at least in the original Kohlberg test should realize this.

I think if you get a bunch of early teens to do this quiz you'd get some very different results than that. I'm quite a lot younger than late thirties, but I believe I'm a whole lot more morally mature (more mature in general) than some people in their late thirties since I think I see the cause and effect of things a lot clearer than most people.
I also don't think most kids take THESE particular online tests. Most kids probably wouldn't be sufficiently interested in the results of this test.

SMKN LS1
11-30-2007, 11:24 PM
40/44

My wife always tells me that I'm too ethical and have too much morality. I guess there's reason why old ladies say I'm the last gentleman on the planet. j/k

Hypomanic
12-03-2007, 11:12 PM
Results
You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Hypomanic added, 19 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

On the other test posted..

Your results
Your favourite type of art is Impressionism.

In the personality profile you had a high intellectualism score, which suggests you like to think about abstract ideas and have a creative imagination.

People who are the same age and sex as you are most likely to prefer Impressionism. People who also score highly in your dominant personality trait are most likely to prefer Impressionism.

More about your personality test results
High extraversion
People with high extraversion scores tend to thrive on company – they're more likely to enjoy mingling and meeting new people. They crave stimulation and enjoy parties and other events where there's a lot going on. They'd also tend to be very open about themselves and their emotions.

Average agreeableness
People with average agreeableness scores tend not to be as keen to understand other people's feelings as people with high agreeableness scores. But they are also more likely to seek a compromise or avoid offending others than people with low agreeableness scores. They are somewhere in between. They can engage positively with others and put people at their ease, but they may be more likely to speak their mind, even at the risk of offending someone.

Average conscientiousness
People with average conscientiousness scores have a sense of responsibility and like to get the job done. However, they might concentrate more on the big picture and less on the details than people with high conscientiousness scores.

Average emotional stability
People with average emotional stability scores are more likely to have mood swings than people with high emotional stability scores. But they tend to have a less varied emotional life than people with low emotional stability scores. They are somewhere in between. They can be fairly relaxed and predictable, but may occasionally have strong emotional reactions to events.

High intellectualism
People with high intellectualism scores are interested the abstract. They like thinking about things they can't see and have creative imaginations, able to dream up whole new worlds. They like to feel they understand things and will probe deeply into a subject to get as good an insight as possible.

High emotional intelligence
People with high emotional intelligence scores see themselves as emotionally well balanced. They believe they are good at empathising with other people and have a good insight into their own emotional needs, drives and reactions. High scorers see themselves as well balanced and largely in control of their own emotions. They also tend to feel confident in interacting with people and believe they are able to connect with and influence others by using their emotional understanding.

mielikki
12-04-2007, 12:24 AM
You scored 41.5 out of a total of 44.

how dull

Your favourite type of art is Cubism.

In the personality profile you had a high intellectualism score, which suggests you like to think about abstract ideas and have a creative imagination.

Low extraversion

People with low extraversion scores tend to be happier with their own company. They may have a small number of close friends rather than a wide circle of acquaintances. Less keen on going to wild parties and meeting people, they are more able to make their own entertainment and don’t seek as much external stimulation.

Average agreeableness

People with average agreeableness scores tend not to be as keen to understand other people's feelings as people with high agreeableness scores. But they are also more likely to seek a compromise or avoid offending others than people with low agreeableness scores. They are somewhere in between. They can engage positively with others and put people at their ease, but they may be more likely to speak their mind, even at the risk of offending someone.

Average conscientiousness

People with average conscientiousness scores have a sense of responsibility and like to get the job done. However, they might concentrate more on the big picture and less on the details than people with high conscientiousness scores.

Average emotional stability

People with average emotional stability scores are more likely to have mood swings than people with high emotional stability scores. But they tend to have a less varied emotional life than people with low emotional stability scores. They are somewhere in between. They can be fairly relaxed and predictable, but may occasionally have strong emotional reactions to events.

High intellectualism

People with high intellectualism scores are interested the abstract. They like thinking about things they can't see and have creative imaginations, able to dream up whole new worlds. They like to feel they understand things and will probe deeply into a subject to get as good an insight as possible.

Average emotional intelligence

People with average emotional intelligence scores have a reasonably good emotional insight, but are only human. They believe they are relatively good at empathising with other people, though like anyone else they can occasionally get it wrong. Average scorers tend to see themselves as fairly well balanced, with some insight into their emotional make-up. They are pretty good at interacting with others and use their emotional insight to try to understand other people as well as they can.

This one I found interesting....

Solnath
12-06-2007, 03:14 PM
26.5 / 44

Your score suggests that you treat social ethics and behaviour as a matter of pragmatic deals or exchanges. One helps a friend who has done you favours because he or she may return the favour.

You are likely to appeal for "tit-for-tat" exchanges or deals with others; even legal justice may be seen in this way. You will generally emphasise an approach to others based upon strict equalities (or inequalities), appealing to unfettered or unlimited freedoms as concrete rights, for example not helping others because "you shouldn't stick your nose in someone else's business."

Your reasoning is likely to depend upon your own preferences or needs at a particular time. You may also decide upon issues in terms of the advantages or disadvantages to be gained from action.

Rei
12-06-2007, 04:53 PM
I'm not at all surprised that my favorite type of art is impressionism. JWM Turner is one of my top favorite artists. :blank:

Your favourite type of art is Impressionism.

In the personality profile you had a high conscientiousness score, which suggests you have a strong sense of responsibility and a good eye for detail.

Average extraversion

People with average extraversion scores tend not to crave the company of others quite as much as people with high extraversion scores. But they also don't necessarily feel happiest on their own like people with low extraversion scores. They are somewhere in between. Sometimes they enjoy the stimulation of events like parties, but they are also more able to make their own entertainment.

Average agreeableness

People with average agreeableness scores tend not to be as keen to understand other people's feelings as people with high agreeableness scores. But they are also more likely to seek a compromise or avoid offending others than people with low agreeableness scores. They are somewhere in between. They can engage positively with others and put people at their ease, but they may be more likely to speak their mind, even at the risk of offending someone.

High conscientiousness

People with high conscientiousness scores like to do things properly. When they say they'll do something, they do it. They have a keen attention to detail and like things to be ordered and in their place. They like organisation and are prepared for every eventuality. They have a strong sense of responsibility.

Average emotional stability

People with average emotional stability scores are more likely to have mood swings than people with high emotional stability scores. But they tend to have a less varied emotional life than people with low emotional stability scores. They are somewhere in between. They can be fairly relaxed and predictable, but may occasionally have strong emotional reactions to events.

High intellectualism

People with high intellectualism scores are interested the abstract. They like thinking about things they can't see and have creative imaginations, able to dream up whole new worlds. They like to feel they understand things and will probe deeply into a subject to get as good an insight as possible.

High emotional intelligence

People with high emotional intelligence scores see themselves as emotionally well balanced. They believe they are good at empathising with other people and have a good insight into their own emotional needs, drives and reactions. High scorers see themselves as well balanced and largely in control of their own emotions. They also tend to feel confident in interacting with people and believe they are able to connect with and influence others by using their emotional understanding.

Hdier
12-09-2007, 09:36 PM
38.5/44 I'm in the same category as most of you, so not much to be said.

Level 3.

terencec
12-11-2007, 02:13 PM
26.5 / 44

Your score suggests that you treat social ethics and behaviour as a matter of pragmatic deals or exchanges. One helps a friend who has done you favours because he or she may return the favour.

You are likely to appeal for "tit-for-tat" exchanges or deals with others; even legal justice may be seen in this way. You will generally emphasise an approach to others based upon strict equalities (or inequalities), appealing to unfettered or unlimited freedoms as concrete rights, for example not helping others because "you shouldn't stick your nose in someone else's business."

Your reasoning is likely to depend upon your own preferences or needs at a particular time. You may also decide upon issues in terms of the advantages or disadvantages to be gained from action.

Good points.

I don't believe moral. How can a true "NT" person think if he/she is always worried if that is moral right or wrong. Moral is not equal to rational or thinking. It is just someone (most likely the regilion/parents etc) give it to you and you accept it without thinking because the authorities told you (when you were a kid) and most people in the society believe it. If you don't have the same moral as them, most people will ignore/isolate you or even worse, you will lose the best friends, jobs, elections etc. So, people act like they have high moral standard, indeed, some of them (if not most) are not.

In my mind, a true XNTX won't accept any norm/moral without thinking/good reasons to back them up.

I am disappointed why people are happy to have high moral standard. High moral standard is not equal to thinking/reasoning. Ok, you may have all the reasons for the high moral standard. However, I am very doubt!

Now, I prepare to be attacked! One thing for sure, to be "INTJ" is not easy! especially those who have a big mouth. The results/consequences show on my resume and my relationship! :)

Paul V
12-11-2007, 03:18 PM
Good points.

I don't believe moral. How can a true "NT" person think if he/she is always worried if that is moral right or wrong. Moral is not equal to rational or thinking. It is just someone (most likely the regilion/parents etc) give it to you and you accept it without thinking because the authorities told you (when you were a kid) and most people in the society believe it. If you don't have the same moral as them, most people will ignore/isolate you or even worse, you will lose the best friends, jobs, elections etc. So, people act like they have high moral standard, indeed, some of them (if not most) are not.

In my mind, a true XNTx won't accept any norm/moral without thinking/good reasons to back it up.

I am disappointed why people are happy to have high moral standard. High moral standard is not equal to thinking/reasoning. Ok, you may have all the reasons for the high moral standard. However, I am very doubt!

Now, I prepare to be attacked! One thing for sure, to be "INTJ" is not easy! especially those who have a big mouth. The reaons show on my resume and my relationship :)

This whole reasoning is based upon the premise that morals is something that has been forced upon you, and not something you build yourself. If that were the case, you would be right. But since there are many people that choose to make their own philosophy (such as me, for example), and hold their own moral grounds, then your entire argument crumbles down.

terencec
12-11-2007, 04:06 PM
This whole reasoning is based upon the premise that morals is something that has been forced upon you, and not something you build yourself. If that were the case, you would be right. But since there are many people that choose to make their own philosophy (such as me, for example), and hold their own moral grounds, then your entire argument crumbles down.

My point is not necessary the moral is something that has been forced on you. You still build your own moral system but the moral you built is influence/told by your parents, religion, society which most people accepts "at the particular point of time, at particular place" since you were a kid. However, you hardly question it since you believe that long time ago.

One example, In US, most people just have one wife (illegal to have more than one wife anyway.) I will question why a man can only have one wife. In some countries, a man can have more than one wife. If you grow up in that countries, you may not believe it is wrong to have more than one wife! (This is just example, I am not trying to argue if it is right or wrong. By the way, I know I will have 0 wife so this really has no conflict of interests! until the law says it is illegal to be single.)

Anyway, without any good reason behind the moral standard, I cannot accept it. I am very doubt most moral standards have good reasons behind.

More controversial, incest is considered immoral. However, read this article, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I keep thinking if the law should keep them from seeing each other. What are the reasons why they cannot see each other? (Germany is one of the most rational countries, I am very interested to know how they handle this situation.)

By the way, I am not trying to attrack anyone. I just want to express my point of view.

Paul V
12-11-2007, 06:41 PM
My point is not necessary the moral is something that has been forced on you. You still build your own moral system but the moral you built is influence/told by your parents, religion, society which most people accepts "at the particular point of time, at particular place" since you were a kid. However, you hardly question it since you believe that long time ago.

I already knew you meant that. You are still wrong. People (specially rationals like you and me) are capable of having the required willpower to reject everything they're taught and create their own system of morality and ethics. It is possible, and it can be proven. If you are a logical and rational being, you will accept that there's a possibility that you're wrong, and given enough evidence, you will change your mind.

One example, In US, most people just have one wife (illegal to have more than one wife anyway.) I will question why a man can only have one wife. In some countries, a man can have more than one wife. If you grow up in that countries, you may not believe it is wrong to have more than one wife! (This is just example, I am not trying to argue if it is right or wrong. By the way, I know I will have 0 wife so this really has no conflict of interests! until the law says it is illegal to be single.)

Sigh. You confuse morality with the Law. They are two very different things. The Law is often derivated from the common pooling of the moral decisions of a group of people. Not all of them will agree, which is why they're different.

Anyway, without any good reason behind the moral standard, I cannot accept it. I am very doubt most moral standards have good reasons behind.

And you shouldn't. Hence why I said to build your own system.

The bolded part made me cringe. Are you serious? Like... MORAL not having GOOD reasons behind? Are you being dense on purpose? That's why Morals exist in the first place!

More controversial, incest is considered immoral. However, read this article, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I keep thinking if the law should keep them from seeing each other. What are the reasons why they cannot see each other? (German is one of the most rational countries, I am very interested to know how they handle this situation.)

Sigh. Read what I said above. The Law is not the same as Morals or Ethics. They are nothing but the collective consensus of a group of people designated by a larger group of people to rule their lives and provide order. If the Senators of Germany decided many moons ago that an incestuous brother couldn't see his sister, then that's too bad for the couple. They should try to repeal the Law, which is what they're doing now. I don't see how that article helps your point in any way.

By the way, I am not trying to attrack anyone. I just want to express my point of view.

You should be more careful with how you word your posts, because you have basically attacked (albeit unintentionally) anyone that follows the law or has ethics.

terencec
12-11-2007, 09:31 PM
I already knew you meant that. You are still wrong. People (specially rationals like you and me) are capable of having the required willpower to reject everything they're taught and create their own system of morality and ethics. It is possible, and it can be proven. If you are a logical and rational being, you will accept that there's a possibility that you're wrong, and given enough evidence, you will change your mind.

Below is just one scenario. You may be different. So it may not apply to you. I don't have any real data but "I believe" many people will fall into this scenario. Only "NT" type people will question about the moral system!
"My point is not necessary the moral is something that has been forced on you. You still build your own moral system but the moral you built is influence/told by your parents, religion, society which most people accepts "at the particular point of time, at particular place" since you were a kid. However, you hardly question it since you believe that long time ago."

Can the moral standard go to the extreme and it becomes the law? Who makes the law? Can someone make the law base on the moral standard? If the law is not most people want, why is the law still there (unless we all live in China)?

I don't know what you mean good reasons. Everyone has "good reasons" to do/believe something (but those may not be good reasons for most of people. That is what I mean.). Good reasons for who? Good reasons for yourself, your family, your country, the world or your believe/religion?

I am not saying you are not rational because I don't know what you believe or your moral standard at all. I just say in gerenal I don't believe or accept established sanctioned codes.

Your moral may be perfectly reasonable and rational than mine. Who knows! I just use "You"=somone,somebody in the reply, it does mot mean you = "Paul". Don't take it personal.

LAst, I believe that Moral does imply conforming to a standard of right behavior. If it is true, my point is standard of right behavior is not always right.

Antares
12-11-2007, 11:32 PM
You scored 34 out of a total of 44.

My Results
Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.





Camelopardalis added to this post, 15 minutes and 41 seconds later...

My point is not necessary the moral is something that has been forced on you. You still build your own moral system but the moral you built is influence/told by your parents, religion, society which most people accepts "at the particular point of time, at particular place" since you were a kid. However, you hardly question it since you believe that long time ago.


So in that sense you should say 'most' people, since my beliefs are quite different from my parents and my society in general (yes I live in China and I'm from Hong Kong). Accepted values of society and the things my parents teach me did have an influence on me once upon a time, but not anymore. For example, in China (I hardly spent any time in Hong Kong), they were spreading propaganda everywhere (Communists are working hard to improve the conditions of people, Enthusiastically celebrate the heart-warming and righteous speech XXX politician gave, All the people work towards a Socialist society etc. etc.). You seem them in big red banners on the streets and in schools. Pathetic, really. They are no doubt influential and due to them most Chinese are nationalists (Chairman Mao is great; I'm a proud Communist Party member etc. etc.), but ever since a couple of years ago, I started seeing the world through my own perspectives and I saw no real reason support such a government who tries to gain support by advertising themselves. Sure, every government does that at some point, but the amount in China is just... Too much (Yes I realize I'm going off topic). Other moral include ones taught by my mother. She is quite conservative while I'm quite liberal and we disagree on pretty much everything, and yet I've been hearing them for all my life. Not everyone base their morals on what they're taught. There ARE many free-thinkers and skeptics in the world. "You hardly question it since you believed it a long time ago." In fact, I question everything I was taught until it makes sense to me, then I decide whether to continue supporting it. I think the best way to do that is to perceive issues and problems through a detached point of view, but of course others will disagree.

abski83
12-11-2007, 11:52 PM
36.5/44

I think my morals are largely influenced by my religious beliefs.

terencec
12-12-2007, 12:24 AM
So in that sense you should say 'most' people, since my beliefs are quite different from my parents and my society in general (yes I live in China and I'm from Hong Kong). Accepted values of society and the things my parents teach me did have an influence on me once upon a time, but not anymore. For example, in China (I hardly spent any time in Hong Kong), they were spreading propaganda everywhere (Communists are working hard to improve the conditions of people, Enthusiastically celebrate the heart-warming and righteous speech XXX politician gave, All the people work towards a Socialist society etc. etc.). You seem them in big red banners on the streets and in schools. Pathetic, really. They are no doubt influential and due to them most Chinese are nationalists (Chairman Mao is great; I'm a proud Communist Party member etc. etc.), but ever since a couple of years ago, I started seeing the world through my own perspectives and I saw no real reason support such a government who tries to gain support by advertising themselves.

Yes, I should say "most"! I did mean "most" (Maybe I am wrong it is not "most", it is just "few" who knows!) It is very difficult to view any (moral) issue or problem without bias for "most" people due to religion, core values, own experience, parents/families influence, peer influence, politics influence etc. If you can view an issue without any bias, I will consider you are the true "free thinker" (INTJ).

However, I don't mean you have to express your view in the public. It will get you kill in some places!

Paul V
12-12-2007, 01:11 PM
I retook the morals test after reworking on my own moral system a bit. This is what I got:

Results

You scored 43 out of a total of 44.

This supports the changes to my system. Yay.

terencec
12-12-2007, 01:55 PM
Now, I am wondering how acurate is MTBI test. People may not belong here! This is just the own "religion/believe" system forum. I am not against religion , one can have any religion but the religion should not have any influence of what he/she thinks. If you tell me a man can only have one wife by your religion standard, you need to tell me why with reasons.

Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression the reasoning is biased.





terencec added to this post, 11 minutes and 8 seconds later...

Now, I am wondering how acurate is MTBI test. People may not belong here! This is just the own "religion/believe" system forum. I am not against religion , one can have any religion but the religion should not have any influence of what he/she thinks. If you tell me a man can only have one wife by your religion, you need to tell me why with reasons. I will buy it if there is a good reaon.

Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression this is not the case.

Paul V
12-12-2007, 02:39 PM
Now, I am wondering how acurate is MTBI test. People may not belong here! This is just the own "religion/believe" system forum. I am not against religion , one can have any religion but the religion should not have any influence of what he/she thinks. If you tell me a man can only have one wife by your religion standard, you need to tell me why with reasons.

Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression the reasoning is biased.


Kay, this is getting out of hand.

A) Everyone belongs here, regardless of type. This forum, according to Jezebel, is open to all types and it doesn't discriminate against non-INTJs.

B) "This is just the own "religion/believe" system forum." --> Clarify that, because it sounds offensive.

C) Sigh. If you adopt a religion, it is because you agree with what it states/proclaims. Yes, most people are forced a religion from their birth, but guess what? Most people are not mindless automatons! They can choose not to believe in that religion, adopt a new one, or become atheist/agnostic. And even moreso, they can choose to ignore what others tell them. They can choose to believe in what they want to believe. If you cannot understand that, then for the sake of efficiency, I will not argue any further.

D) You keep confusing the Law with Morality. In order to continue this argument, you need to tell me what are you disagreeing with:

1) The fact that you are not allowed to have more than one wife by the Law.

or

2) The fact that in some countries, while it's not prohibited by the Law, having more than one wife is frowned upon, due to moral/religious customs.

E) "Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression the reasoning is biased." Whose reasoning? Biased in which way? Please, do not throw statements like this one without carefully considering what you are implying.

Hdier
12-12-2007, 03:31 PM
Go Paul! Though, about D, I think that he was actually saying that he wanted reasons in order to accept it, not any given society (though I could be wrong).

terencec
12-12-2007, 04:26 PM
Go Paul! Though, about D, I think that he was actually saying that he wanted reasons in order to accept it, not any given society (though I could be wrong).

You are right what I mean about D.





terencec added to this post, 26 minutes and 37 seconds later...

Kay, this is getting out of hand.

A) Everyone belongs here, regardless of type. This forum, according to Jezebel, is open to all types and it doesn't discriminate against non-INTJs.

B) "This is just the own "religion/believe" system forum." --> Clarify that, because it sounds offensive.

C) Sigh. If you adopt a religion, it is because you agree with what it states/proclaims. Yes, most people are forced a religion from their birth, but guess what? Most people are not mindless automatons! They can choose not to believe in that religion, adopt a new one, or become atheist/agnostic. And even moreso, they can choose to ignore what others tell them. They can choose to believe in what they want to believe. If you cannot understand that, then for the sake of efficiency, I will not argue any further.

D) You keep confusing the Law with Morality. In order to continue this argument, you need to tell me what are you disagreeing with:

1) The fact that you are not allowed to have more than one wife by the Law.

or

2) The fact that in some countries, while it's not prohibited by the Law, having more than one wife is frowned upon, due to moral/religious customs.

E) "Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression the reasoning is biased." Whose reasoning? Biased in which way? Please, do not throw statements like this one without carefully considering what you are implying.

About A. If you said so, you might be right. Then the forum should be called MTBI XXxX. It is misleading. I know that I will offense somebody again. What I really mean is if your reasoning is influence by religion, parents, friends, society etc, you are not real 'NT" type.. You should not put down the type as "INTJ" in this forum. Maybe it should be "INXJ"

I think you don't try to see my point of view. You just keep focus your points.
I have an impression you are very religious person. That is nothing wrong. But at least, you try to see what I mean. If I do not make any sense to you, forget about it. I am very tried of it.

I suggest that if most people believe it is the moral standard in the society (especially religious society), they may make it as the law. It is like abortion, incest etc (I do not agrue if it is wrong or right. It may depend on the situation.). You keep telling me the law is differnt from the law. You don't even try to understand what I mean.

Now, have a nice day and life to have your high moral standard. I won't argue with you.

Hdier
12-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Why do think that listening to what others say, and factoring what they say into your own logic, is not NT? Or did I misunderstand you?

Paul V
12-12-2007, 07:14 PM
Oh, you did not go there. You, dear sir, just asked to be owned.

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Let me share some of the wonders of vocabulary to you. But don't worry! It's not religious!

Pay special attention to the bolded parts, and extra special attention to the underlined parts:

mo·ral·i·ty /məˈrælɪti, mɔ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties for 4–6.
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2. moral quality or character.
3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4. a doctrine or system of morals.
5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
6. morality play.

mor·al /ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mawr-uhl, mor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
7. of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character: moral support.
8. resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.
–noun
9. the moral teaching or practical lesson contained in a fable, tale, experience, etc.
10. the embodiment or type of something.
11. morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.

eth·ic /ˈɛθɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eth-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the body of moral principles or values governing or distinctive of a particular culture or group: the Christian ethic; the tribal ethic of the Zuni.
2. a complex of moral precepts held or rules of conduct followed by an individual: a personal ethic.

law1 /lɔ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[law] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision.
2. any written or positive rule or collection of rules prescribed under the authority of the state or nation, as by the people in its constitution. Compare bylaw, statute law.
3. the controlling influence of such rules; the condition of society brought about by their observance: maintaining law and order.
4. a system or collection of such rules.
5. the department of knowledge concerned with these rules; jurisprudence: to study law.
6. the body of such rules concerned with a particular subject or derived from a particular source: commercial law.

re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. (Paul's comment: Note how it's not always, and how religion and moral are not necessarily related)
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Now that you see what I mean by Morality, Morals, Ethics, Law and Religion, you can now understand how I find your post to lack any sense at all.

Let me quote some of the "irrational" parts of them:

What I really mean is if your reasoning is influence by religion, parents, friends, society etc, you are not real 'NT" type.

Everyone is influenced by either religion, parents, friends, society or another group of people. Why? Because there are stages of life called "Infancy" and "Childhood" in which people need to be taught how to interact and function in a society. Most people are not clairvoyants, therefore they need someone else to tell them how to act. Now, read carefully what I'm about to type, and try hard to understand it:

I did not say that people are not influenced by others. I said that one can break free from that influence and choose what they want to believe. Whether it's religion, atheism or agnosticism, it doesn't matter. You. Can. Choose.

I think you don't try to see my point of view. You just keep focus your points.

Butchered grammar aside, the same thing can be said about you. You fail to give me evidence of what you claim, while I'm giving you definitions and logical reasonings.

I have an impression you are very religious person.

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If you really are an INTJ, then tell your Intuition to wipe its glasses. I fit the "Agnostic/Atheist" category.

You keep telling me the law is differnt from the law.

I would answer that, but I'm afraid that I might get a brain aneurism. I will let a quote do the job for me:

You keep confusing the Law with Morality.

That's what I said. Read the definitions above. Read what you typed. Continue this process until the fog dissipates from your mind.

I am not against religion , one can have any religion but the religion should not have any influence of what he/she thinks.

Read the definition of religion. See where it says "often"? Well, it means "Usually, but not always". This means that "often", religion provides a moral guideline to function in a society. And you know what the best part of that is? You don't have to follow that guideline if you don't adhere to a religion! And you know what else is awesome? You are not forced to belong to any religion if you don't want to! Isn't that great or what?

Now, I am disappointed since I have an impression the reasoning is biased.

You still haven't answered what you meant by that.

Final words:

You are a very confused person. Do not follow blindly what I said. Investigate. Read definitions. Read what philosophers have said. Read what sociologists and psychologists have said. When in doubt, look at the dictionary.

But most importantly:

Do not argue with an INTJ if you are not 100% sure you'll win, and you don't have the data to back it up.

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”
- Sun Tzu











Edit at below: It saddens me that you are as narrow-minded as a religious zealot. You should use that NT you're so proud of to see that you might actually be wrong, and that you don't know everything.

terencec
12-12-2007, 07:30 PM
Why do think that listening to what others say, and factoring what they say into your own logic, is not NT? Or did I misunderstand you?

We all listen to what other says in the books or other sources to get the knowledge. Without knowledge, I am doubt we can even think very well. Of course, I don't mean like that! It is simple, as long as you can think "indelpendently" without any "bias", use the "logic" and all our knowledge at the point, the conclusion may not be right, it is still "NT" type. I let you answer the question you ask. I think it is not too difficult to understand what I "really mean"! Unless, you have to take it out of the context.

I posted here because I don't understand why we need to have a high moral standard because I see many moral standards depend on the different situations. There are no absolute right or wrong. The moral standard imposts on us or others may not even right. So, what is the meaning to take the test to know if I have the high moral standard if many of moral standards are not right in my point of view. You don't have to agree with me or you can have different point of view but this is why I started to post here. If you see almost all moral standards are absolutely right, then the high moral standard does mean something. I cannot see that but I could be wrong!

Danisty
12-15-2007, 11:02 AM
I posted here because I don't understand why we need to have a high moral standard because I see many moral standards depend on the different situations. There are no absolute right or wrong. The moral standard imposts on us or others may not even right. So, what is the meaning to take the test to know if I have the high moral standard if many of moral standards are not right in my point of view. You don't have to agree with me or you can have different point of view but this is why I started to post here. If you see almost all moral standards are absolutely right, then the high moral standard does mean something. I cannot see that but I could be wrong!I think what you're trying to say is that it is pointless to be tested and graded on morality because morality isn't absolute and universal. You would only be testing yourself based on someone else's morals which may not be your morals. If that is what you're trying to say, then I agree with you. I consider myself moral, but not necessarily by society's standards.

Caramel
12-15-2007, 12:31 PM
You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44.

Though I'm doubting my own morality now, because I was actually enjoying reading Paul V's post. :X

DeepPurple
12-16-2007, 01:30 PM
It's a different test, but from the same site. I'm a Pastel abstract artist, so this test interested me more.

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According to the test I prefer abstract art.

You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Booko
12-16-2007, 01:57 PM
41.5 out of 44.


Results

You scored 41.5 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.


Yeah, that seems pretty accurate.





Booko added to this post, 16 minutes and 56 seconds later...

I think what you're trying to say is that it is pointless to be tested and graded on morality because morality isn't absolute and universal. You would only be testing yourself based on someone else's morals which may not be your morals. If that is what you're trying to say, then I agree with you. I consider myself moral, but not necessarily by society's standards.

The test seemed to distinguish from a morality that is completely self-centered along a spectrum to one where moral concerns live somewhere outside our selves.

While I don't advocate being unconcerned with our personal well-being and interests, when taken to the extreme we have a name for that someone whose morality is self-centered, and it's "sociopath."

I don't know of any society, regardless of cultural and religious views, that would find a sociopath especially moral.

IOW, there does appear to be a morality that is, if not universal, pretty darned close to it.

hongi
05-16-2008, 08:26 AM
40/44

Rowan
05-16-2008, 09:42 AM
These kinds of morality tests seem highly reductive, but here are my results.

You scored 32 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.
You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

The Real Eagle
05-16-2008, 10:30 AM
Results
You scored 37.5 out of a total of 44.

comfortofeyes
05-16-2008, 01:05 PM
"You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44."

mkay
05-16-2008, 02:24 PM
You scored 38 out of a total of 44.

<< Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred." >>

False assumptions in these results. I think some people have very limited ability to be honest, with themselves as well as others. (That's an observation, not a value judgment.) I don't think life is sacred. And I think morals are personal -- not the same as obeying society's laws, which this survey fuzzes up. I have morals for myself, not for others, not for religion.

NephilimAzrael
08-05-2008, 05:56 PM
You scored 37 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

enWTFp
10-07-2008, 10:36 AM
You scored 42 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."
Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.
You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.
However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Hm. I wouldn't call morals 'conformity'. It is most important to know the norms, so that every act against them is conscious, and prepared to pay the social price. Everything is allowed afterwards, with its cost, of course.

One of my favourite activities in life is to pay my debts - personal, social and material. I consider it learning experience of highest quality. I make many mistakes, so I go through this quite often.

EdmontonAspie
10-07-2008, 11:43 AM
Results

You scored 43.5 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores

0-11 1 %

12-22 1 %

23-33 32 %

34-44 66 % My Results place me here

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."
Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.
You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.
However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.


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enWTFp
10-07-2008, 11:59 AM
Where did I lose half a mark?Probably among the multiple answers for the reasons behind your choices. This is the most important part.

I realize now, from their comment, they seem to consider "Life is sacred" as an important moral standard. If so, then I'd prefer to miss 2 points there.

On the question "How important is it for a person to live even if they don't want to?", I voted "Not important" with the clarification: "Under severe circumstances, individuals should be able to choose to die with dignity", because I strictly support euthanasia as a basic human right.

EdmontonAspie
10-07-2008, 12:04 PM
Probably among the multiple answers for the reasons behind your choices. This is the most important part.

I realize now, from their comment, they seem to consider "Life is sacred" as an important moral standard. If so, then I'd prefer to miss 2 points there.

On the question "How important is it for a person to live even if they don't want to?", I voted "Not important" with the clarification: "Under severe circumstances, individuals should be able to choose to die with dignity", because I strictly support euthanasia as a basic human right.


Thank you.
I was wondering for a moment if my
score made me look :square:.

kubrickfan
10-07-2008, 12:24 PM
33/44

BlackMita
10-07-2008, 12:27 PM
You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

Nuzke
10-07-2008, 12:59 PM
34

Lady Shiori
05-03-2009, 07:57 PM
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34.5 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

reb
05-03-2009, 09:38 PM
Results

You scored 34 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

ick-i'm a damned conformist.....

Tsumaranai
05-03-2009, 10:51 PM
66% 34-44
32% 23-33

Your score suggests that you emphasise relatively concrete issues in your reasoning, confusing morality in some instances with physical power or conformity to some authority figure. You probably express yourself in absolute terms such as "always" or "never."

You may follow the instructions of an authority figure such as a politician or policeman. Anything this authority declares is morally right. Your opinions on things may often be couched in absolute terms, expressing rules which entail a rigid, constraint-oriented or coercive view, and with the use of labels such as "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong."

You emphasise punitive consequences for violating the rules, using physical or action terms "being beaten up, killed, punished, put in jail." Although the physical consequences are usually punitive, they may also be positive, for example through gaining rewards.

Definitely not on the politician/policeman bit.

integratedvelocity
05-04-2009, 01:48 AM
40.5

Most of my score probably came from the last section. Social contract theory...

Obsidean
05-04-2009, 02:23 AM
34/44

probity
05-04-2009, 02:44 AM
35/44

Ntwadumela
05-04-2009, 04:23 PM
You scored 41 out of a total of 44.

I'm not going to lie, sometimes I just chose the answer I knew was best (or their interpretation of "best"). In fact, they did a better job reasoning than I would have done alone, so it made my job rather easy.

Cocoa
05-04-2009, 04:44 PM
So apparently I'm horribly moral and I blame that on being Canadian :)

Results

You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.
Background

Scores on the questionnaire form a scale that tracks the development of reasoning from childhood through to adulthood about social, ethical and moral issues. The original research using this questionnaire was conducted in the United States by Kohlberg and was followed up by John Gibbs, Karen Basinger and Dick Fuller.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

Some people progress to a level where they base their moral reasoning on universal values. Others become fixed at earlier stages depending upon circumstances. But recent research has suggested that it is possible to change the way you reason about your social responsibilities

Aya
05-04-2009, 07:38 PM
You scored 38.5 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

SRVcardsfan27
05-04-2009, 08:01 PM
You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

azelismia
05-04-2009, 08:29 PM
So apparently I'm horribly moral and I blame that on being Canadian :)

Results

You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.
Background

Scores on the questionnaire form a scale that tracks the development of reasoning from childhood through to adulthood about social, ethical and moral issues. The original research using this questionnaire was conducted in the United States by Kohlberg and was followed up by John Gibbs, Karen Basinger and Dick Fuller.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

Some people progress to a level where they base their moral reasoning on universal values. Others become fixed at earlier stages depending upon circumstances. But recent research has suggested that it is possible to change the way you reason about your social responsibilities


I got the same exact score.

Hatsumomo1
05-06-2009, 08:37 AM
37.5

Plane Stress
05-06-2009, 09:38 PM
You scored 33.5 out of a total of 44.

Thinker
05-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Results
You scored 41 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

Same as azelismia and cocoa......exactly the same.

Stratego
05-06-2009, 11:56 PM
Results
You scored 38 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

My Results
Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning...

BostonIan
05-07-2009, 03:01 AM
You scored 30.5 out of a total of 44.

What earned my score, the mindset: you do the right thing because it's the right thing, stealing and lying is wrong, and laws don't affect anything. The test seemed to want more logic and social feelings.

Tocsin
05-07-2009, 03:26 AM
36.5

AliTree
05-07-2009, 09:38 PM
You scored 36 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

morimototomirom
05-08-2009, 09:02 AM
Hmmmm, a bit suprising.

40.5 out of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Wittshell
05-08-2009, 02:16 PM
You scored 32.5 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Kisai
05-08-2009, 03:15 PM
32.5/44. Laws are only important as they lend cohesion to society. Society's only important to preserve social order. Social order's only important to perserve knowledge. Knowledge is power is pleasure.

WratSpa
05-08-2009, 03:33 PM
40 out of 44. I don't care if people off themselves either.

Are we INTJs really this ethical, or are we just saying what we know is the *right* thing to say? I'd like to think I really am this ethical.

Solnath
05-14-2009, 08:29 PM
26.5 / 44

Your score suggests that you treat social ethics and behaviour as a matter of pragmatic deals or exchanges. One helps a friend who has done you favours because he or she may return the favour.

You are likely to appeal for "tit-for-tat" exchanges or deals with others; even legal justice may be seen in this way. You will generally emphasise an approach to others based upon strict equalities (or inequalities), appealing to unfettered or unlimited freedoms as concrete rights, for example not helping others because "you shouldn't stick your nose in someone else's business."

Your reasoning is likely to depend upon your own preferences or needs at a particular time. You may also decide upon issues in terms of the advantages or disadvantages to be gained from action.

36 out of 44

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

I've grown up, I suppose.

johnlow
05-15-2009, 01:41 AM
Results

You scored 36.5 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

pgauding
05-17-2009, 09:03 AM
34.5

Nuzke
05-17-2009, 11:20 AM
You scored 35 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

skycloud86
06-20-2009, 05:47 AM
You scored 41/44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

coffeeholic
07-07-2009, 08:47 AM
You scored 35.5 out of a total of 44.

My Results
Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Nightwish bob
07-07-2009, 09:27 AM
38 out of 44

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

SelfMadeBum
07-07-2009, 09:37 AM
40/44

ArtistTyrant
07-07-2009, 09:17 PM
33/44. The test seemed to overly generalize ideas though.

Paul Siraisi
07-18-2009, 10:31 PM
35/44, and I don't think I saw a single justifying statement I completely agreed with in the whole test.

PeterIMC
07-18-2009, 11:58 PM
Results

You scored 21.5 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score suggests that you treat social ethics and behaviour as a matter of pragmatic deals or exchanges. One helps a friend who has done you favours because he or she may return the favour.

You are likely to appeal for "tit-for-tat" exchanges or deals with others; even legal justice may be seen in this way. You will generally emphasise an approach to others based upon strict equalities (or inequalities), appealing to unfettered or unlimited freedoms as concrete rights, for example not helping others because "you shouldn't stick your nose in someone else's business."

Your reasoning is likely to depend upon your own preferences or needs at a particular time. You may also decide upon issues in terms of the advantages or disadvantages to be gained from action.

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If I'm really honest, I think many people with these high scores (Almost all of you) have been answering in a "trying to look better than I am" fashion. This test is also kind of helping you a lot to get to do that, I have to say.

I think I got the lowest score,.. :) But the description actually makes perfect sense to me.

nettneu
07-19-2009, 01:29 AM
I got 38 too. Which is crazy because I certainly wouldn't claim to be moral. In fact I'm not even sure that the concept of morality is particularly useful, because it means different things to different people.

It seems that the person who defined the tests thinks that the way I tend to behave is rather "moral". Maybe that means his "morality" is a fairly rational way to behave. Or maybe it's just coincidence, because I don't feel that the test succeeded in really finding out what I think. In many cases none of suggested "reasons" was the real one. And I wasn't at all sure about how to calibrate the categories "very important", "important" and "not important" in the first place.

The results say, "Conformity to ethical norms is important to you." But it isn't, I'm not remotely interested in conformity for its own sake.





nettneu added to this post, 37 minutes and 43 seconds later...

It's a different test, but from the same site. I'm a Pastel abstract artist, so this test interested me more.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That one said, "Your favourite type of art is Japanese ukiyo-e."

Well, I do like that a lot, but if I had to choose a single favourite type it would probably be renaissance landscapes. Or something surrealist, especially Magritte. Or Jerome Bosch. The test went on to say that from the personality questions it would expect me to like impressionism - which I do to some extent, but only in its milder forms (e.g. Monet's earlier waterlillies are nice, but in the end he took it a bit too far.)

Dragontongue
07-19-2009, 03:21 AM
33.5

Zombicide
07-19-2009, 03:45 AM
34.5

ToyBox01
07-19-2009, 03:51 AM
Results

You scored 41 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

ENFP
2w3

Functianalyst
07-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Results
You scored 33 out of a total of 44.

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Nemesis
07-20-2009, 04:02 AM
Results

You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.
Background

Scores on the questionnaire form a scale that tracks the development of reasoning from childhood through to adulthood about social, ethical and moral issues. The original research using this questionnaire was conducted in the United States by Kohlberg and was followed up by John Gibbs, Karen Basinger and Dick Fuller.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

Some people progress to a level where they base their moral reasoning on universal values. Others become fixed at earlier stages depending upon circumstances. But recent research has suggested that it is possible to change the way you reason about your social responsibilities.

Josh Young
07-21-2009, 10:50 PM
34.5/44

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride
Wow... way off.
Chaos has no relation to law to me.
Normal conduct is deplorable to me.
Pride is worthless to me.
Speaking of a clean conscience doesn't mean a thing, having one matters.

Aristocrat Porn
07-21-2009, 11:06 PM
You scored 29 out of a total of 44.



This test is bollocks.

Kris
07-21-2009, 11:40 PM
40.5/44

Higher than I expected, as my morals are based on internal reasoning rather than accepted conventions & I don't have a whole lot of personal respect for laws.

lamplighter
07-22-2009, 11:11 AM
You scored 37.5 out of a total of 44.

Morality is subjective though.

hongi
07-22-2009, 12:54 PM
40/44

nuloki
07-23-2009, 07:33 PM
Psychology tests

Results

You scored 40 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

That was a fascinating little quiz. Thanks Paul V, that was stimulating

athenian200
07-23-2009, 07:51 PM
My Results

You scored 27.5 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Heck, I'm an INFJ, and I'm not as moral as you. And a lot of people think I'm very "stuck up" in many ways. Try to calm down about it, it must be stressing you out.

MikeAZ
07-28-2009, 12:00 AM
mature

Not a well writen test or an accurate assessment.

gg00se
07-28-2009, 12:38 AM
I enjoyed that. Reinforced a difficult decision I had to make this week when I resigned from my job - thanks.


You scored 42 out of a total of 44.
Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44
My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

ErikNikolai
07-28-2009, 03:46 AM
41.5.

JamesReed292
08-02-2011, 03:05 PM
Results

You scored 34.5 out of a total of 44.

Zhuinden
08-03-2011, 02:17 PM
Results: You scored 31.5 out of a total of 44.


My Results
Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

The low score is possibly the result of saying "important" and not "very important". Haha.

Maker
08-03-2011, 04:53 PM
You scored 29 out of a total of 44.

Seablue
08-03-2011, 06:01 PM
Results

You scored 37.5 out of a total of 44.


As other have mentioned, I've sometimes had troubles finding a sentence that really conveyed what I believed.

Also, when I answer "yes because it's how society works", does it really says something about my morals ? Mostly it's pragmatism.

MusicalINTJ
08-03-2011, 06:21 PM
34

Starlite
08-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Results
You scored 30 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

My Results
Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

Tyrant Soup
08-05-2011, 06:10 PM
38.5.

Where are all the amoral psychopaths?

REMwoman
08-05-2011, 06:13 PM
41/44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

All true, unless they mess with me or mine, in which case I think shootin' is too good for them.

ness2361
08-05-2011, 06:27 PM
Results

You scored 39.5 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.


P.S. The questions did not leave enough room for ambiguity; there were too many rigid 'musts' and only three choices including important and very important when I don't think it's 'important' to save someone's life if I can and it won't kill me: that's morality?!?, so I did the best I could with this kind of questionnaire.

creativestrike
08-06-2011, 02:31 AM
41.5 out of a total of 44.

Tsukiyo
08-06-2011, 02:45 AM
36.5

Dinand
08-09-2011, 08:46 AM
37.5/44

However, when you look at the questions about law I don't think there properly asked.
If the law tels you to kill somebody that doesn't deserve it, will you do it?

judymrad
08-11-2011, 03:19 PM
38 out of a total of 44 -- I think INTJs score well here because we have had a clearly defined internal compass (moreso than most I think) since childhood as to what is right and wrong in our own minds. We also hold ourselves extremely accountable for our behavior and expect the same of others (now there's a way to be set up for disappointment!)

Ferbguy101
08-16-2011, 09:17 PM
Results
You scored 37 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

My Results
Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride

CanadianWill
10-23-2011, 06:07 AM
39 out of 44. I think about ethics/morality a lot so no surprises there.

"Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances."

This is the key for me--finding the point of convergence between reasonable, humane values and the necessities of specific situations/cases.

Plato
10-23-2011, 01:16 PM
You scored 40.5 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Tequila
11-26-2011, 08:14 PM
40.5 out of 44