Hairy Beasts!

[Mogura]

I went and had my hair cut yesterday, and one of the cool things about the place I go to is that they stock Esquire and GQ magazines (British editions) for the male clients--cool. So I'm flipping through, skimming the articles, and like all magazines, it's chock full of ads. And most (if not all) of the ads feature shirtless male models sporting 6-packs (I was comparing theirs with my own, of course).

One thing I noticed is that all of the models (all white/caucasian) have completely hairless chests. This isn't nothing new or surprising, but it got me to thinking. I can remember back to the 70's and 80's when hairy chests were considered "sexy". When I was in grade school I can even remember dudes cutting their hair off and pasting it to their chests to be cool.

Anyway, fast-forward to the metrosexual 90's and 00's, and it seems as if the opposite style (hairless, smooth chests) is considered "sexy" Great, if only that paste from grade school was water-soluble!

So, rather than accepting mass media's "conventional wisdom" on the matter, I thought I would just ask some females for their take. Basically, which do you consider sexy, hairy chests, or hairless chests? Or do you have no preference at all?

Because, after all, once the aforementioned 6-pack takes form, I gotta figure out the best way to present it:


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[jikin]

I've gotten so used to the media's hairless men, that when I see a fuzzy guy, it's a bit surprising. Sort of "Oh, yeah! I forgot they could grow hair there!" Sadly, I do think it has swayed my preference. Somewhere in my mind "normal" men should be hairless. That's not to say I would turn down a Sasquatch of a man, just that is would take some adjusting to.

[Kris]

I have really hairy legs, hairy face and slightly hairy forearms. I have a decent snail trail but no real hair on my chest or back, which is kinda strange given my eastern European descent.

[Stratego]

Speaking as a woman, hair anywhere (on a man) is fine with me so long as it's not unusual or freakish in nature/extent, like ear hair, excessive back hair or buttock hair, excessive knuckle hair, yeech.

What I do like is a hairy chest (but not excessively), stubble (don't get me started on the awesomeness of stubble), arm hair and leg hair.

[Amphorian]

Throughout cultures and time there has been standards to what is beautiful and sexy. Guess what? It usually goes in cycles. The Egyptians liked shaving their bodies and being hairless for quite some time. Chinese men liked women with small feet. Fat was in back in the day in some countries, and so was being pale as the moon! Seriously, veins showing through on womens' chest was considered beautiful.

Silly fads. The grass is always greener on the other side.

I say people should stop listening to others and just be themselves. =p



Oh and I don't have a preference really. I wouldn't go with overly hairy though, unless the guy was great in so many other ways.

[Josephine1012]

I don't mind hair as long as it isn't places you (hehe, well I) don't expect it to be. Hair on the back or shoulders definitely makes me raise an eye brow. It isn't necessarily a deal breaker, but it isn't a plus.

[JustMel]

I don't mind a little hair. I prefer my husband who has little hair on his chest and a slight trail and none on his back. The arms and legs don't bother me if they're hairy. My birth mother loves hairy men. I don't get it. But every man she's ever been with was hairy. The first time my stepdad shaved his beard and mustache off and I walked in the room I screamed. I was 15.

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[alphawolf]

My guess is that most of the female respondents will be victims of the north american media engine, and that they will be young.

It has been my experience that a lot of European women prefer hairiness, and especially as the women get older they see male hairiness as the sign of a "man".


Don't believe the media engine, for god's sake, you're INTJs (not conformists for the mere sake of conformism). And for all the jackasses who get their shit lasered off to meet the current fad: they'll be trying to sell you products and treatments and surgeries to make the hair grow again, once it comes back in fashion.

Get a fucking clue.

[Josephine1012]

My guess is that most of the female respondents will be victims of the north american media engine, and that they will be young.

It has been my experience that a lot of European women prefer hairiness, and especially as the women get older they see male hairiness as the sign of a "man".


Don't believe the media engine, for god's sake, you're INTJs (not conformists for the mere sake of conformism). And for all the jackasses who get their shit lasered off to meet the current fad: they'll be trying to sell you products and treatments and surgeries to make the hair grow again, once it comes back in fashion.

Get a fucking clue.

Ummmm, I don't think attraction is always something that is result of marketing, it's hardwired. I find that what I find attractive, if I had to analyze myself deeply, comes from not wanting to be the weaker sex. I like a man who is more of an equal than someone who is going to shelter me from everything.

I think as a result of that I find men who are taller than me, but not too tall, bigger and more muscular than me but not too much muscle, and not too hairy most attractive. I know plenty of women who love really manly men, but their emotional preferences are also different from mine.

[alphawolf]

Ummmm, I don't think attraction is always something that is result of marketing, it's hardwired.

Depends on one's level of shallowness.

[Josephine1012]

Depends on one's level of shallowness.

Heh, that's true. But being shallow and easily influenced by surroundings is a personality trait, which means that what you find attractive will generally follow mass media. Asking someone to not be shallow is like asking someone to not be stupid. You can't help it.

[Storm]

The reason models in magazines are shaved is to show off their muscles. At least, that's what I always thought the reason was.

[Vagrant]

I have really hairy legs, hairy face and slightly hairy forearms. I have a decent snail trail but no real hair on my chest or back, which is kinda strange given my eastern European descent.

Likewise, I have quite a bit of hair on my legs, and nice length hair on my arms.

I have the T-shaped line of hair on my chest, but it's not unruly. A small amount of fuzz on my lower back.

[alphawolf]

The reason models in magazines are shaved is to show off their muscles. At least, that's what I always thought the reason was.

I think it has more to do with the lighting.

[rara avis]

Seriously, veins showing through on womens' chest was considered beautiful.

Is this not in fashion anymore? Well, shit. One more strike in my corner; my skin is translucent. :p ;)

The reason models in magazines are shaved is to show off their muscles. At least, that's what I always thought the reason was.

That's what I always figured. In real life, too, not just in magazines. Hair over the skin has the effect of a filter on the lens- it blurs visible muscle definition. Body builders shave and wax to show off the results of their work.

I don't mind hairy. I come from a relatively hairy people, I suppose- my dad has a full beard and mustache, and is generally pretty furry, so I guess I grew up thinking that's how it is. So I suppose the magazines have done me a favor, in training me to see the bare side of the coin as OK, too. I don't think I'd be comfortable with a guy who went to more effort in hair removal than I did, but whatever.

I mean, there's a point after which furriness definitely becomes something noticeable to think about- when you have ringlets coming up over the back of your shirt collar, for instance. That could require some remedial action. And body hair can be annoying, shedding all over. Ick.

But aesthetically? Meh. I have bigger things to worry about, in adjusting to a relationship with someone.

[Seriously]

I can go either way. ;D

[invicta]

no happy trail, no deal

[Therion]

I'm not extremely hairy, but I most certainly have some fuzz goin on.
Waxing? That crap is pretty expensive. Shaving? Yeah.. time consuming
and not very effective.

I put enough time into dressing nice, keeping myself clean, and keeping the 2 feet of hair on my head in nice condition. Why should I waste more time, energy, and money to screw with something that is natural to my body.

Women.... Hahaha.

[curiousgeorge01]

My upper body has like no hair and I can shave my face every 2-3 days. I like being low maintenance! Unless you're referring to my avatar, then I am a beast...literally...

[Megalomania]

My guess is that most of the female respondents will be victims of the north american media engine, and that they will be young.

It has been my experience that a lot of European women prefer hairiness, and especially as the women get older they see male hairiness as the sign of a "man".


Don't believe the media engine, for god's sake, you're INTJs (not conformists for the mere sake of conformism). And for all the jackasses who get their shit lasered off to meet the current fad: they'll be trying to sell you products and treatments and surgeries to make the hair grow again, once it comes back in fashion.

Get a fucking clue.


I can vouch for that. In my high school anatomy course my teacher jokingly said "some women prefer hairy chests" a chorus of eews arose from the females in the class. Judging from the volume it sounded like just about all of them were disgusted by the idea. Unfortunate for me, because I'm only 19 and have a moderately hairy chest. (which I refuse to shave)

[ranwayslo]

Wookie is my second language. Grizzly Bear is my primary language...





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I can vouch for that. In my high school anatomy course my teacher jokingly said "some women prefer hairy chests" a chorus of eews arose from the females in the class. Judging from the volume it sounded like just about all of them were disgusted by the idea. Unfortunate for me, because I'm only 19 and have a moderately hairy chest. (which I refuse to shave)

And I have also heard the same age range and demographic offer the same reaction to a picture of a penis. Doesn't make them lesbians.

[Megalomania]

Wookie is my second language. Grizzly Bear is my primary language...





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And I have also heard the same age range and demographic offer the same reaction to a picture of a penis. Doesn't make them lesbians.

Doesn't make them heterosexual either nor does it invalidate what I said. Seeing as how it was an anatomy course we also had the opportunity to view male and female genitalia when we studied the reproductive system and there were no sighs of disgust from anyone. Seeing a penis and seeing chest hair aren't exactly comparable experiences anyway.

[vern]

appearance is irrelevant,
a man could be completely hairy or hairless but it is his action's and words that matter,
for example men of all variety of physical description's all stand little chance if they suggests going out to kill some wildlife as some form of entertainment...
hey it has happened, it is probably happening right now somewhere.

[mmm7789]

Depends on the guy, but as I get older, the less I like the guy worrying/fussing about it. I see lots of time spent being concerned with appearance as appropriate for younger people, but a male in his 40's/50's spending a lot of time shaving, waxing, tanning, picking out clothes, doing his hair, picking out his jewelry, leaves me amazed, but at the same time, totally uninterested.

[loosefanbelt]

Either the whole package works for it doesn't. I like all different appearances, if they seem healthy and relatively easy. People who work too hard make me wince. Men or women. There is a healthy beauty in all types. Healthy seems to be attractive - clear eyes that look at you.

[Mogura]

The reason models in magazines are shaved is to show off their muscles. At least, that's what I always thought the reason was.

You might be surprised to learn that for photo shoots like that, makeup is applied to the abdominal/chest region to give the muscles you want to accentuate some depth and better "definition". Hair would most definitely interfere with the makeup application process and also rob the muscles of their definition. I have yet to see a guy in real life, at the gym or otherwise, walking around with a set of abs like you see in the magazine photos...

[Kris]

I can shave my face every 2-3 days.

I used to have to shave every day, but I got sick of it pretty quickly. Now, I just use a beard trimmer and shorten it down to stubble every couple of days.

[Blse]

I think shaved legs and arms might look a tad, well, unusual on man in American society. Shaved chest, however, is ok. So long as you're within society's commonly accepted standards I don't think our hair preference will turn into a deal breaker (unless the other person has some sort of hair/anti-hair fetish). I personally don't like facial hair on myself. I don't like rubbing my chin and feeling the sensation of rough hair - for some reason it just really annoys me. So I have a close wet shave every morning - I like my own face smooth to the touch for my own sake. Fortunately, despite the popularity of the stubble style, I think a clean shaved face is still appropriate by American standards. Besides, at work and as TA, I have a reputation as the clean-shaven professional's professional - so it may actually help me there.

[jonnyb]

no happy trail, no deal
for some of us guys, the happy trail is a happy freeway with at least 8 lanes....gets you there faster.

[alphawolf]

for some of us guys, the happy trail is a happy freeway with at least 8 lanes....gets you there faster.


Fahrvergnügen für Frauen!

[Cincinnatus]

Yeah, I'm pretty hairy. It may not be as extreme as my jokes make it out to be, but I can honestly say it hasn't done me any favors with women. :shrug: :undecided:

[eri]

My guess is that most of the female respondents will be victims of the north american media engine, and that they will be young.

It has been my experience that a lot of European women prefer hairiness, and especially as the women get older they see male hairiness as the sign of a "man".


Don't believe the media engine, for god's sake, you're INTJs (not conformists for the mere sake of conformism). And for all the jackasses who get their shit lasered off to meet the current fad: they'll be trying to sell you products and treatments and surgeries to make the hair grow again, once it comes back in fashion.

Get a fucking clue.

I really don't care if it has anything to do with the media engine or not. Given the amount of shaving/waxing (or whatever) that women have been put through for years already. Turnabout is fair play. ;)

(oh, yes, my opinion- I'm not crazy about lots of hairiness on men- but I don't like the idea of them shaving or waxing or whatever to get themselves unhairy. Sounds High Maintenance. I'd rather they keep the hair they got.)

[admittedheretic]

I have low amounts of hair on my arms and legs.
Moderate facial hair.
My chest hair is the hairiest part and I have a cross shaped pattern..



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[catzmeow]

no happy trail, no deal

Hear, hear. My boyfriend has a hairy chest, back, arms, lets, butt, everything is furry.

LOVE IT. Love my hairy man.

I think of men with shaved or waxed body parts as way too high maintenance and less than masculine.

Body hair = manly.

[Therion]

I think of men with shaved or waxed body parts as way too high maintenance and less than masculine.

Body hair = manly.

EXACTLY!

Men always complain about how women take too long in the bathroom doing their makeup and all of that jazz.... Turn that around and have the woman complaining to the man because he's taking too long waxing or shaving his chest and other bodily parts.

Who's the sissy now, sissy-man... BAHAHAHAH!

[catzmeow]

EXACTLY!

Men always complain about how women take too long in the bathroom doing their makeup and all of that jazz.... Turn that around and have the woman complaining to the man because he's taking too long waxing or shaving his chest and other bodily parts.

Who's the sissy now, sissy-man... BAHAHAHAH!

The ideal man should be able to walk out the door, clean and fresh, 20 minutes after he's gotten out of bed. He should have short, easily groomed hair that doesn't have a crapload of products in it, and he should smell of soap, clean clothes, and deodorant.

Furthermore, while he should groom himself so as not to have hairs sprouting in embarrassing spots (ears, nostrils), he should not be feminizing himself by removing body hair unless it is inordinately long.

That's my wisdom on the subject. If I wanted to date men who acted like women, I'd just become a lesbian and be done with men entirely.

[Kris]

Most talk has been about body hair, though I'm interested to know what people think of facial hair. Most women I've spoken to have been pretty clear that generally mustaches are a no go but fairly varied on other things.

I usually keep mine as stubble or just slightly longer, and keep my neck area shaven.

[loosefanbelt]

Most talk has been about body hair, though I'm interested to know what people think of facial hair. Most women I've spoken to have been pretty clear that generally mustaches are a no go but fairly varied on other things.

I usually keep mine as stubble or just slightly longer, and keep my neck area shaven.

Why no 'stache?

Must be a generational thing.

I mostly like a man that looks groomed. If it looks like you just stumbled out of the back trails of Deadwood, you make me nervous. If I can see that you get regular hair cuts and trims - I am at ease.

[Cincinnatus]

Why no 'stache?

Must be a generational thing.

The mustache is definitely a generational thing. I know certain clusters of friends that grow a mustache for a hipster/retro style, but it just looks dated, if they're earnest about it. Not that it bothers me how they groom their facial hair, but I've observed this over the years.

It also reminds me of this (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), but that's not a bad thing.

I mostly like a man that looks groomed. If it looks like you just stumbled out of the back trails of Deadwood, you make me nervous. If I can see that you get regular hair cuts and trims - I am at ease.

You mean if I came rolling into town like the High Plains Drifter, you'll board up the homestead?

[Kris]

Why no 'stache?

Must be a generational thing.

Yeah possibly, all my female friends are between 19-23.

[Elfrun]

I can go either way. ;D

Either the whole package works for it doesn't. I like all different appearances, if they seem healthy and relatively easy. People who work too hard make me wince. Men or women. There is a healthy beauty in all types. Healthy seems to be attractive - clear eyes that look at you.

Yeh-yah.

It honestly makes no difference in my mind, if I'm attracted to them as a person then it just doesn't matter.

[countrygirl]

It has been my experience that a lot of European women prefer hairiness, and especially as the women get older they see male hairiness as the sign of a "man".

A silverback gorilla? Purr. I personally don't have a perference but I agree, without hairiness he's tends to looks like a boy.

[Quite8the8bell]

I like hairy guys, actually. It's all I knew for a while. All the guys in my family are hairy so I thought guys are just hairy.. strange, creatures. It's not that I'm simply used to it but I actually am attracted to it now.

[paleoeco]

My personal rule (and the one I hold other guys to, if they're getting anywhere with me) is hairy on the legs, arms, chest, tummy (happy trail), and crotch. Trimmed, but not shaven is good. (Remember guys: manscaping is your friend).

Backs and shoulders and crack should be sans hair, either naturally or not. Personally, any hair above my collar bone on my chest/shoulders is removed. I shave the little tuft that is in the small of my back, and I "take care of the lawn" regularly.

When it comes to the face, I love scruff or cleanshaven. I can deal with anything but a full beard on a guy. Currently, I only shave my neck and trim my face to a "few days worth" of scruff. And I have hairy legs, arms, and chest.

Poor hetero guys, now having to suffer the same fate of us homos: unrealistic expectations about body image, body hair (or the lack thereof).

[alphawolf]

Poor hetero guys, now having to suffer the same fate of us homos: unrealistic expectations about body image, body hair (or the lack thereof).

Or you can just not give a fuck about it, like me, and still get beautiful women upon desire.

You know the guys who buy $1500 pool cues and go into the pool hall acting like a badass - "All Hail to my Stick!"? And then the real player comes in and kicks their asses with a severely warped house cue... Works the same way with women.

[Baccara]

Chest hair is no indicator of merit or character; if I find the latter two, the former is irrelevant. That said, however, on a purely superficial physical scale, personally I find it unattractive. A little fuzz is OK---in all fairness, since I come from a rather hairy family and probably carry the genes myself--but anything that mats when wet or tufts up through shirt collars is a real turn-off. And let's not even discuss back hair.

If your six-pack holds up to its name, then my advice is to show it off for itself, sans carpeting. :)

[Alderamin]

I have an extremely hairy body and full beard and mustache. I keep the facial hair about the same length as my head hair (that is, fairly short, about an inch or so maximum) and shampoo daily to keep the hair soft. I think these look good on other men.

Apart from trimming my armpit hair to reduce body odor, I don't do anything with my body hair.

Luckily, my facial hair has not interfered with my ability to get a job or anything like that. But I work in a conservative Muslim country, so it is a lot more accepted to begin with.

[JTG1984]

Stubble on the face is a must for me, cant stand that clean shaved feeling YUCK.
I dont know anything about body hair, I just take five minutes out of my busy life once a week and take a body hair trimmer to my torso, I like to be able to see my abs. :laugh:

[Mogura]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man...

*Actually, I didn't have a mother figure around as well... I was raised by wolves...

[Kris]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man..

Yeah I'm in the same boat, I just made it up as I went really.

You can get body groomers, which are pretty much beard trimmers with some extra attachments. That will take the hair down fairly short, otherwise I guess you'd need to use scissors. Thinking about how poorly it went when I tried to trim my beard with scissors I personally wouldn't be really confident with that option. :laugh:

Unless you have some serious hair issues, why bother trimming body hair I would say...

[JTG1984]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man...

*Actually, I didn't have a mother figure around as well... I was raised by wolves...

Um I use a beard trimmer something with really small teeth. But you can use hair clippers, or the obvious a body hair trimmer. Might not want to use the same ones that you use for your face or your head.

[Cincinnatus]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man...

Starting from the head down:

If you want to do anything with the ears or eyebrows, then tweezers can be used. There are ear and nose hair trimmers out there, but I wouldn't know any good makes or models. Shaving takes care of the beard/mustache, unless you want it. The Wahl beard trimmer I had served me well.

Body hair can be dealt in a number of ways. There's waxing, depilatory creams, clipper & shave, and the little more permanent laser hair removal. It's all in what you're comfortable in doing, and do believe there are some body clippers for men.

After thinking about this thread for a while, I think taking care of the hair on my head and face will be sufficient. Even though it's not helping me in the relationship area, I'll stay the angry, little fuzzball that I am. :ugly:

[Sxq]

Glad to hear not all women are turned off by it.

I am extremely hairy (everywhere except the back).
Even more noticeable at my age since very few guys are.
I have a very hairy chest, arms, legs, trail... everywhere, and can grow a full beard.

[Outdoorwhale]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man...

*Actually, I didn't have a mother figure around as well... I was raised by wolves...

My brother uses those disposable razors instead of an electric for his legs. That way it's closer and he doesn't get it wet. Yea...he shaves his legs in the shower....he's worthless so I don't expect anything less from him. I think he uses the movable head ones so he doesn't cut his calves and some gel since he likes them super smooth. If you want the names I'd have to look.

As for myself...almost mid twenties and can't grow a beard, no body hair other than legs/arms(light). My "beard" grows about 1/8th out and stops but only in certain areas...the middle portions are still skin. Seems like a hassle to cut hair I don't have or shave legs I don't give much thought too.

I don't stink(or sweat much) either so I think my "man" button broke given my father and brothers. We tested and it takes 7 days for my clothes to have any odor what so ever....including desert trips.

[Therion]

Okay, this is going to sound like a strange question, but since I didn't have a father figure around when I was growing up*, I have some lapses of knowledge in the "how to be a man" area.

When a man grooms his own body hair, how is it done? Do you use scissors, hair clippers, or are there clippers on the market specifically geared for such a thing? The Epilady hurts, man...

*Actually, I didn't have a mother figure around as well... I was raised by wolves...


You can buy beard trimming kits that come with all sorts of different trimmer heads. That can make it easier to get some of the harder areas you don't want to stick your regular trimmer. If it feels like your mowing grass rather than shaving, you've probably got a problem. As retarded as it sounds you can find grooming guides if you search Google.... (I didn't have a father figure to show me how to do that crap either. Google rocks.)

Shaving is pretty much self-explanatory I'd think. If you go to give the boys a clean-up, take this advice. Disposable razors = Bad bad bad bad bad!

[altoid]

It doesn't really matter if a guy has hair or not. If, however, he spends a lot of time trying to make himself hairless...:scared:


The reason models in magazines are shaved is to show off their muscles. At least, that's what I always thought the reason was.

I assumed it had something to do with that too. That and perhaps creating a "clean canvas" for displaying clothing, so body fur won't act as a distraction from the product.

[MissENFP]

If the guy is the right guy, it wouldn't matter to me either way. But if I got my way and could choose, I'd have to go with hair on the chest.

[paleoeco]

Mogura - are you looking to go smooth, or just to trim?

If you're looking to go smooth, then you can use wax or a dipilatory for your legs, arms, chest, stomach. You can also shave, but for most guys, this means you'll need to trim down your body hair and then shave. For this purpose, any beard trimmer will work.

Now, if you're talking about your groin area, it's a different story. You'll want to have a second trimmer to do this area. If you're going to go baby smooth on your patch and your balls, you'll want to trim and then shave. Always use a fresh razor on this area to minimize irritation and razor bumps. Always, always, always use an antiseptic on your scrotum AFTER you've shaved, and before you apply lotion. The skin is very sensitive here, and because of heat/sweat, very painful skin infections can occur even if the skin is not visibily "broken".

IMO, a guy doesn't need to do anything more than what can be done with trimmers.

[Kris]

If you're going to go baby smooth on your patch and your balls, you'll want to trim and then shave. Always use a fresh razor on this area to minimize irritation and razor bumps. Always, always, always use an antiseptic on your scrotum AFTER you've shaved, and before you apply lotion. The skin is very sensitive here, and because of heat/sweat, very painful skin infections can occur even if the skin is not visibily "broken".

I can't imagine taking a razor sharp piece of metal to my scrotum...

:faint:

[JTG1984]

IMO, a guy doesn't need to do anything more than what can be done with trimmers.

I agree the razor is not your friend! Unless you want to know what miserable feels like.

[JasonINTJ]

I'm a man, but I love men, and I love men who have hairy everything.

I'm hairy too.

OMG, JTG, love the Max Headroom avatar!

[Kriega von Wulf]

I prefer very light amounts of hair myself; particularly an iota of peach fuzz on the chest and back areas, everything else can remain flocculent.

[JasonINTJ]

Does anyone else besides me go ape over dark back hair on men?

I absolutely love my boyfriend's back hair. It makes him look like a monkey. I get hot pulling on the back hair.

[Mogura]

I can't imagine taking a razor sharp piece of metal to my scrotum...

:faint:

Ah, waxing might be the thing for you then... :shout:

Mogura - are you looking to go smooth, or just to trim?

I'm looking for women to appreciate me for who I am in my natural state. :rolleyes: I don't have dense or overly course body hair (arm, leg, chest, etc.), but a reduction in the chest area (not complete elimination, mind you) would be good for showing off my awesome 6-pack. Ha ha...

[Cincinnatus]

I can't imagine taking a razor sharp piece of metal to my scrotum...

:faint:

There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking - I highly suggest you try it.

[heartland]

Poor hetero guys, now having to suffer the same fate of us homos: unrealistic expectations about body image, body hair (or the lack thereof).

I reckon a lot of the obsession with body grooming for males that seems to have arisen recently is due to 'homos' controlling the fashion industry. They want to turn grown men into boys, and they want to turn grown women into boys also.

[JTG1984]

Shaved my armpits today feels wonderful! :laugh:

[paleoeco]

I reckon a lot of the obsession with body grooming for males that seems to have arisen recently is due to 'homos' controlling the fashion industry. They want to turn grown men into boys, and they want to turn grown women into boys also.

Well, I would disagree that the trend to smoothness has to do with wanting to turn men into boys. The "standard of beauty" that is pervasive in the gay culture, and has made its way into the straight world is one of hyper-masculine features sans hair.

By this I mean: masculine, angular facial features; broad shoulders; well defined chest and abs. Basically gay men "worship" the same hairless masculine ideal that the ancient Greeks did. (Although I'd doubt that ancient waist line would be acceptable today. LOL).

I have my own suspicision about why this became the "standard" as opposed to the the standard that was prevalent in the 70s and early 80s, in which hairy men held that role.

In general, in the gay world, anything boyish and/or feminine is looked upon negatively. Sure, there are people who are still boyish and femme; sure there are guys who still like guys who are boyish and femme. Generally speaking though, that is not the norm, nor the "ideal". If gay men could really change they way men in general look, I would say it certainly would not to make them less manly.

[rickster]

I reckon a lot of the obsession with body grooming for males that seems to have arisen recently is due to 'homos' controlling the fashion industry. They want to turn grown men into boys, and they want to turn grown women into boys also.

The current trend for hairless men actually started with sportsmen like swimmers who shaved for faster pool movement. Homos picked up on it much later.

Are you aware that tits and ass don't work in couture - and haven't for about 100 years - simply because the shape doesn't suit the lines. Blame that well-known homo Coco Chanel for starting the trend.

But hey if you think homos are keeping you from the fashion you truly deserve there's always Fredericks of Hollywood. :cheesy:

[Kris]

For me this is just part of that god forsaken metrosexual bullshit that was all the rage for the best part of the 00s. Just another silly trend that people follow to be 'in' without any regard for what they personally like. One day everything's fine the next day half my friends have traded in their printed t-shirts for pink polo shirts and seem to have half a tub of wax in their hair. I even had a friend who wore foundation. He tried to say his girlfriend put it on him, but even she shook her head at that disgraceful business. More recently guys are getting freakishly skinny and strutting around with their denim-wrapped toothpicks, but that's another whole thread.

[rickster]

For me this is just part of that god forsaken metrosexual bullshit that was all the rage for the best part of the 00s. Just another silly trend that people follow to be 'in' without any regard for what they personally like. One day everything's fine the next day half my friends have traded in their printed t-shirts for pink polo shirts and seem to have half a tub of wax in their hair. I even had a friend who wore foundation. He tried to say his girlfriend put it on him, but even she shook her head at that disgraceful business. More recently guys are getting freakishly skinny and strutting around with their denim-wrapped toothpicks, but that's another whole thread.

Haaaa yes this thing we call Boy Beauty is still far from a perfect science.

It's the eyebrows that freak me out: on a fat boy it looks like they've just done ten rounds in the ring. Kinda like "Raging Bull" meets The Body Shop.:laugh:

[paleoeco]

For me this is just part of that god forsaken metrosexual bullshit that was all the rage for the best part of the 00s. Just another silly trend that people follow to be 'in' without any regard for what they personally like. One day everything's fine the next day half my friends have traded in their printed t-shirts for pink polo shirts and seem to have half a tub of wax in their hair. I even had a friend who wore foundation. He tried to say his girlfriend put it on him, but even she shook her head at that disgraceful business. More recently guys are getting freakishly skinny and strutting around with their denim-wrapped toothpicks, but that's another whole thread.

Well, if it makes you feel better, there is an emerging trend in the gay world away from primped and tweezed and fluffed metros. So, it'll take a few years and then all your buds will be back to t-shirts, scruff, and torn denims.

[Kris]

It's the eyebrows that freak me out: on a fat boy it looks like they've just done ten rounds in the ring. Kinda like "Raging Bull" meets The Body Shop.:laugh:

This freaks me out too!

Well, if it makes you feel better, there is an emerging trend in the gay world away from primped and tweezed and fluffed metros. So, it'll take a few years and then all your buds will be back to t-shirts, scruff, and torn denims.

Hmm good to know...until then I'll just keep looking cool and stylish amidst an ocean of fashion clowns.


I love laughing at the metro-looking guys that have obviously been dressed by their SOs. My neighbor wears an ultra-tight Ed Hardy shirt, with the most ridiculous colours on it and his fat gut making him look pregnant.

[paleoeco]

I love laughing at the metro-looking guys that have obviously been dressed by their SOs. My neighbor wears an ultra-tight Ed Hardy shirt, with the most ridiculous colours on it and his fat gut making him look pregnant.


Ed Hardy = all that is bad and wrong in fashion. And, I think he's color blind; no one who can actually see color would combine colors in the way he does.

Also, there's an age old adage: Just because they make it in your size doesn't mean you should wear it in your size.

Anyone who even has a "pooch" on the stomach should not be wearing tight shirts. That is, unless they want to look like a sausage over stuffed in its casing.

[PortInStorm]

Speaking as a woman, hair anywhere (on a man) is fine with me so long as it's not unusual or freakish in nature/extent, like ear hair, excessive back hair or buttock hair, excessive knuckle hair, yeech.

What I do like is a hairy chest (but not excessively), stubble (don't get me started on the awesomeness of stubble), arm hair and leg hair.

QFT. I can't stand it when a guy's hairless. For the love of mankind, why would I want to be with someone who looks like a boy? Hairless chests are tolerable, but when a guy starts waxing/shaving legs and arms... *alarm bells*

[lamplighter]

Most talk has been about body hair, though I'm interested to know what people think of facial hair. Most women I've spoken to have been pretty clear that generally mustaches are a no go but fairly varied on other things.

Why no 'stache?

Must be a generational thing.

The mustache is definitely a generational thing. I know certain clusters of friends that grow a mustache for a hipster/retro style, but it just looks dated, if they're earnest about it. Not that it bothers me how they groom their facial hair, but I've observed this over the years.

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If 'staches are such a no go, then explain to me why Johnny Depp almost always has one, and Orlando Bloom occasionally sports one?

[JTG1984]

The current trend for hairless men actually started with sportsmen like swimmers who shaved for faster pool movement. Homos picked up on it much later.

Are you aware that tits and ass don't work in couture - and haven't for about 100 years - simply because the shape doesn't suit the lines. Blame that well-known homo Coco Chanel for starting the trend.

But hey if you think homos are keeping you from the fashion you truly deserve there's always Fredericks of Hollywood. :cheesy:

Im pretty sure Coco Chanel was not gay, I think you might be talking about Karl Lagerfeld the creative director for Chanel.

[ToC]

I've had similar discussions with women before, and I'm always baffled when women say they'd prefer a man with pubic hair rather than trimmed/shaved. It seems unhygienic to me, and I can't really see the appeal.

[Ither]

It's the eyebrows that freak me out: on a fat boy it looks like they've just done ten rounds in the ring. Kinda like "Raging Bull" meets The Body Shop.:laugh:

I'm not sure that we're referring to the same thing, but sculpted eyebrows on men or women really bother me.

[CJay]

I read this topic as "Hairy Breasts"......... OMG! lol

Anyway I very much like it if a guy "Man-scapes" arms and legs are ok being hairy and a slightly hairy chest is ok, but I prefer no hair on the chest, belly, back, butt, groin and even arm pits can look icky, nothing like him trying to put his arm around you while nekkid in bed and seeing a big ol patch of fur! My Hubby man-scapes and I am glad he does.

[PortInStorm]

^^ Oh, the best is when they stretch their arms up over their heads and you can see a little droplet of sweat precariously perched on the end of one of the armpit hairs, glistening in the sun.

*SHUDDER*

[invicta]

If 'staches are such a no go, then explain to me why Johnny Depp almost always has one, and Orlando Bloom occasionally sports one?

A mustache doesn't make a man look like Depp or Bloom, it makes him look like an idiot, a cop, or an anachronism.

[Kris]

If 'staches are such a no go, then explain to me why Johnny Depp almost always has one, and Orlando Bloom occasionally sports one?

They are a couple of the most idolised male figures full stop. They could probably get away with mutton chops!

Now I'm all for expression through facial hair styles, I've just found that most women I speak to in their early 20s don't like 'staches in general.

[Mogura]

A mustache doesn't make a man look like Depp or Bloom, it makes him look like an idiot, a cop, or an anachronism.

Or a Village Person (singular form of Village People)...

[loosefanbelt]

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moustache...

[Cincinnatus]

If 'staches are such a no go, then explain to me why Johnny Depp almost always has one, and Orlando Bloom occasionally sports one?

You say that as if they don't look dated on them, too. This goes in cycles, and mustaches haven't had the momentum to come back in full swing, yet. Hang in there, buddy.

[Kris]

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moustache...

That's just a bit of stubble, I was talking about a 'real' moustache.

[rickster]

My most recent voyage into face fuzz was Islamface in order to get into the pants of impress a Muslim dude.

It worked too. Sometimes a fella just needs to make an effort. ;)

[paleoeco]

I currently have facial hair, but I keep it trimmed, so it's not bushy at all.

I think facial hair works for some guys, not for others. Of course, I think just a moustache is weird. Now it needs to be paired with a goatee or a beard. I also just like chin straps on some guys, and a soul patch (pot scrubber) is always cute.

However, a full beard that is bushy is just not attractive to me. I think once the facial hair actually changes the silhouette of the face, it's "too big".

[JTG1984]

Shaved my armpits today feels wonderful! :laugh:

I suggest you dont do this unless you plan on doing it everyday. It hurtssssssss.

[green eyes]

...nothing like him trying to put his arm around you while nekkid in bed and seeing a big ol patch of fur!

^^ Oh, the best is when they stretch their arms up over their heads and you can see a little droplet of sweat precariously perched on the end of one of the armpit hairs, glistening in the sun.

*SHUDDER*

Arm pit hair on my man does something magical to me. I like to nuzzle in and take nice big whiffs. Ah, the look and smell of my sweaty man... :wideeyed:

Anyhoo, I seem to prefer a lot of facial hair, as long as it isn't too painful for me when we kiss fervidly. I could take or leave all of the other man fur.

[Kris]

Arm pit hair on my man does something magical to me. I like to nuzzle in and take nice big whiffs.

Yeah this surprised me when I first encountered it. I've had a few people say they liked the natural smell of me. I found it a little strange at first but I guess its preferable to being told you are odorous.

[paleoeco]

Arm pit hair on my man does something magical to me. I like to nuzzle in and take nice big whiffs. Ah, the look and smell of my sweaty man... :wideeyed:

Anyhoo, I seem to prefer a lot of facial hair, as long as it isn't too painful for me when we kiss fervidly. I could take or leave all of the other man fur.

Yeah this surprised me when I first encountered it. I've had a few people say they liked the natural smell of me. I found it a little strange at first but I guess its preferable to being told you are odorous.

Hello! They're called pheremones. Of course someone's natural odor is important in attraction.

I personally cannot get really involved with a guy if I don't find his natural body odor to be appealing. If it's not, then he's not long term relationship potential.

[PortInStorm]

Sure, while I can't see myself burying my face in my husband's armpit, I can almost endlessly smell his facial scruff.

[lamplighter]

They are a couple of the most idolised male figures full stop. They could probably get away with mutton chops!

Now I'm all for expression through facial hair styles, I've just found that most women I speak to in their early 20s don't like 'staches in general.

You say that as if they don't look dated on them, too. This goes in cycles, and mustaches haven't had the momentum to come back in full swing, yet. Hang in there, buddy.

I currently have facial hair, but I keep it trimmed, so it's not bushy at all.

I think facial hair works for some guys, not for others. Of course, I think just a moustache is weird. Now it needs to be paired with a goatee or a beard. I also just like chin straps on some guys, and a soul patch (pot scrubber) is always cute.I think you all are right. It's just another part of fashion, and they'll probably come into fashion again. I agree however that just a 'stache looks weird, personally I think it makes someone look like a pedophile unless they're an old man, and then still...
Me personally I have a beard, and I do occasionally let a 'stache grow, but everyone tells me I look the devil.
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To be fair my beard is exactly like his in that pic, just brown. However my mustache does not

Arm pit hair on my man does something magical to me. I like to nuzzle in and take nice big whiffs. Ah, the look and smell of my sweaty man... :wideeyed:


Hello! They're called pheremones. Of course someone's natural odor is important in attraction.

I personally cannot get really involved with a guy if I don't find his natural body odor to be appealing. If it's not, then he's not long term relationship potential.
It is pheromones, and armpit hair evolved to disperse the smell more effectively, it's also why they stink. Not the pheromones themselves directly, but the bacteria under our arms that eat the pheromones and release gases. I've also heard of women becoming more easily aroused at sporting events where the guys urinate under the bleachers, most notably European soccer games, because of all the pheromones from the urine.
You organisms make me sick! Shooting your DNA at each other to reproduce, it's disgusting!

[BlackOp]

Lost a bet with Rara...so here goes. My arm hair is impressive. Too bad I lost, you guys missed out. Her hairy chest puts mine to shame...

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[dontlookback]

They are a couple of the most idolised male figures full stop. They could probably get away with mutton chops!

Now I'm all for expression through facial hair styles, I've just found that most women I speak to in their early 20s don't like 'staches in general.
I personally love 'staches :lips:
(And I'm 19,so maybe that could be classified as 'Early 20's' :laugh:)
Ie; Eugene Hutz:
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Jemaine Clement
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I could go on...

[dragonsscout]

Soooo, back to the OP. What qualifies as peach fuzz?

My chest hair is a lot like the rest of my body hair (kinda sparse, generally blond). But it gets marginally darker and thicker on my chest. It's hardly noticeable though.

[Prunesquallor]

Myself, I don't give a shit, but if he expects me to shave, then he has to shave something.
Only fair.

[The Maelstrom]

:ears:

I assume you all know why I'm here.

MY EGO MUST FEED! :laugh: lol

Really though as a matter of personal aesthetic I like my hairy chest. I'd rather have much less to none on my shoulders/upper arms and back simply because there's more definition that way. As to shaving the pubic areas... trimming I think is only common courtesy, shaving is kind of extreme.

[Steel]

Arm pit hair on my man does something magical to me. I like to nuzzle in and take nice big whiffs.

I had one like you before. And I don't know what stinks worse on me after a long day, my armpits or my socks.

She was a real marine, that one.

[Carinthian]

Most of the women I date dont have a problem with chest hair. The last one even called it a "love carpet".

Of course there HAD to be a song for it :)
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[Prunesquallor]

This thread reminded me of this twisted, twisted game (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

There are worse things than hairy chests.

[Nikonman]

appearance is irrelevant,
a man could be completely hairy or hairless but it is his action's and words that matter,
for example men of all variety of physical description's all stand little chance if they suggests going out to kill some wildlife as some form of entertainment...
hey it has happened, it is probably happening right now somewhere.

Oddly enough, there are women who find hunting and other "manly" endeavors to be attractive. Maybe that is why many women find military men appealing. A friend is in a book club that is reading a book named Wild At Heart, in which the author asserts that men are designed to be warriors and adventurers who need to live dangerously and have a woman to "save." He claims the problem with men today is that society doesn't let us be "real men" but turns us into passive wimps. He urges men to retake their manhood and for women to let the "boys be boys" (aggressive and destructive) and the "men be men" (dangerous, adventurous warriors who save their women). These assertions are all supposedly based on Christian scriptures. I read just enough of the book to conclude that it is crap. If anyone here has read the whole book and believes otherwise, I'd love to hear why. Most of the women in the book club dislike the book, but a few of them seem to believe every word of it and are now busy looking for more manly men who will save them. Having observed these women on a few occasions, I am confident that there are no INTJ's among the ones who believe the book accurately describes what a man should be.

Personally, I have no desire to be a warrior or find a woman who needs to be saved by me. I do like to compete from time to time, but so does my sister, and there is nothing manly about her.