Ban dihydrogen monoxide? (DHMO)

[thegnat]

Here's some information regarding DHMO for you to think about:

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[Chainsaw Dundee]

Indeed, but only under the grounds that it is replaced with alcohol. Getting your alcohol/weight proportion up to 70% isn't as hard as they say it is. :thumbsup:

[rwyatt365]

I think that, while the harmful and potentially toxic aspects of DHMO have been well known and documented for centuries (for those that take the time to do a little research), there is not sufficient cause to ban this substance. With proper handling and safety precautions there is no reason why this useful chemical can't be used in any household. We certainly condone the use of things like ammonia and bleaches in the household – why not DHMO?

I am certain that the American public is smart enough to read and heed warning labels and take appropriate handling precautions. There is no need for making inflammatory remarks and inciting panic. I mean, if American scientists can contain radioactive waste, surely we can take appropriate measures to secure our nation against DHMO contamination.

Frankly, I find it ridiculous that DHMO is considered such a "menace" since it is virtually everywhere. The next thing we'll be raising arms against dust mites!! C'mon people, the only folks that are hurt by DHMO are those that can't handle DHMO and give it the respect that such a substance deserves.

DHMO doesn't kill people, people kill people – and that's that!

[Firelie]

You know, I hate to admit this, but I'm a DHMO addict. I don't think any legislation could make me stop using.

[rwyatt365]

You know, I hate to admit this, but I'm a DHMO addict. *I don't think any legislation could make me stop using.
Now, while I don't advocate use to the point of addiction, I do agree with you in principle.

[OneBadMother]

As much as I would like to, it would be impractical in practice. Too many people are dependent. I'd say we should keep it legalized, just with heavy restrictions on its use. :P

[Firelie]

You know, I hate to admit this, but I'm a DHMO addict. *I don't think any legislation could make me stop using.
Now, while I don't advocate use to the point of addiction, I do agree with you in principle.

You just don't understand... in terms of addiction, I'd say it's about 1,000 times more addicting than cigarettes, and you see how hard it is for smokers to quit! *I have no chance...and certainly not enough willpower to stop myself. *Every morning, shoot, almost every hour for that matter I feel compelled to take another hit. *Would I like to finally be clean? *That's a joke. *The cleanest I've ever felt was when enveloped in a fog of DHMO....*sigh*

[rwyatt365]

You just don't understand... in terms of addiction, I'd say it's about 1,000 times more addicting than cigarettes, and you see how hard it is for smokers to quit! I have no chance...and certainly not enough willpower to stop myself. Every morning, shoot, almost every hour for that matter I feel compelled to take another hit. Would I like to finally be clean? That's a joke. The cleanest I've ever felt was when enveloped in a fog of DHMO....*sigh*
I can't blame you for your habit. If my information is correct manufacturers have been secretly putting this stuff in just about every food product that we buy. Kids have grown up surrounded by this, even in the schools where most of us believe our children are protected from it. I even know of some mothers that force it on their newborn infants.

The things that people do to destroy their families!It's a sad state of affairs when Americans stoop to this kind of behavior. :'(

[Firelie]

I can't blame you for your habit. If my information is correct manufacturers have been secretly putting this stuff in just about every food product that we buy. Kids have grown up surrounded by this, even in the schools where most of us believe our children are protected from it. I even know of some mothers that force it on their newborn infants.

The things that people do to destroy their families!It's a sad state of affairs when Americans stoop to this kind of behavior. *:'(

Now, that's not entirely fair. My mom is a good, kind person who helps out in her community. She just happens to be addicted to DHMO. As were both her mother and father before her, and I'd imagine there have been addicts in every generation before that, even. I don't think any of us has "stooped" to this kind of behaviour...it's just natural for us, probably as natural as breathing air is to you.

Granted, I still don't like the fact that I'm an addict, but my addiction doesn't make me a bad person.

[rwyatt365]

Now, that's not entirely fair. My mom is a good, kind person who helps out in her community. She just happens to be addicted to DHMO. As were both her mother and father before her, and I'd imagine there have been addicts in every generation before that, even. I don't think any of us has "stooped" to this kind of behaviour...it's just natural for us, probably as natural as breathing air is to you.

Granted, I still don't like the fact that I'm an addict, but my addiction doesn't make me a bad person.
I know, I know. And I don't blame you, or any of your family. It's a disease.

I do blame those people that make DHMO so easily available! I mean, at $1 a "hit", it's way too easy to get on the street.

[HackerX]

I prefer my DHMO cut with other substances, especially those based on C12H22O11. Clearly I'm an addict.

(Honestly though, calling it dihydrogen monoxide, then writting it down as DHMO fucks with my chemistry minded head)

[Circe]

What can I say? I can't stay away from the stuff. It's too easy to get hold of... and I think it runs in the family.

[thegnat]

I prefer my DHMO cut with other substances, especially those based on C12H22O11. Clearly I'm an addict.

(Honestly though, calling it dihydrogen monoxide, then writting it down as DHMO fucks with my chemistry minded head)



ah yeah that is good stuff.

(yeah I know, it messes with me too. and then even part of me wants to correct myself for writing it that way - they need a better way to disguise the chemical formula - this is kind of a free for all on how joking about it - DHMO looks more like i have no idea what haha DMSO dimethylsulfoxide - which you can't really compare nomenclature there dihectyl? deutero-? but what's the HMO?)

[Jezebel]

Where is the option for "I don't think it should be banned, but it needs tighter regulations"?

I have no problems with adults capable of making decisions using it. They have access to information about the dangers and I have no right to tell them what they can't do with their body. It just disgusts me that children are getting addicted at such a young age. By the time they're capable of making rational decisions the heavy addiction has made them incapable of seeing this issue clearly. Most of them will never know what it's like to be DHMO free.

It should not be freely available. Companies that choose to use it in their products should be charged ridiculous fees. Adults that choose to buy DHMO products will have to present a special card they receive after they take a test proving they are capable of making rational decisions and know the dangers. There should also be a fee for this test.

All profits from these fees should go toward DHMO educational programs and organizations that help free people of their addiction.

[snoogit]

This shits invaded my house for a while now. I thought it was safe at first to just try it, but then we got carried away...

Sometimes it was just a small amount given to one of our younger siblings, around 8 oz or so. But then the abuse grew... Next it was 16 oz, 32 oz, 128 oz!!! I was doing 8 oz shots of it eight times a day... We had so god damn much of it in our house even the dogs started using it, we practically SWAM in the stuff... It took us a while but I knew we'd eventually get over the addiction. 28 days later, we can safely use the substance socially again.

[rwyatt365]

This shits invaded my house for a while now. I thought it was safe at first to just try it, but then we got carried away...

Sometimes it was just a small amount given to one of our younger siblings, around 8 oz or so. But then the abuse grew... Next it was 16 oz, 32 oz, 128 oz!!! I was doing 8 oz shots of it eight times a day... We had so god damn much of it in our house even the dogs started using it, we practically SWAM in the stuff... It took us a while but I knew we'd eventually get over the addiction. 28 days later, we can safely use the substance socially again.
Snoogit, I'm glad that you have worked through your addiction. It probably was a hard thing, considering the quantities that you were taking (man, 128 oz!!). A word of caution though, so-called "social use" is still use, DHMO is a sneaky chemical and you can be back on the dependency treadmill before you know it.

Where is the option for "I don't think it should be banned, but it needs tighter regulations"?

I have no problems with adults capable of making decisions using it. They have access to information about the dangers and I have no right to tell them what they can't do with their body. It just disgusts me that children are getting addicted at such a young age. By the time they're capable of making rational decisions the heavy addiction has made them incapable of seeing this issue clearly. Most of them will never know what it's like to be DHMO free.

It should not be freely available. Companies that choose to use it in their products should be charged ridiculous fees. Adults that choose to buy DHMO products will have to present a special card they receive after they take a test proving they are capable of making rational decisions and know the dangers. There should also be a fee for this test.

All profits from these fees should go toward DHMO educational programs and organizations that help free people of their addiction.
Regulation really isn't practical. We forget that DHMO is a naturally occurring substance – I bet you didn't know that DHMO is part of your chemical makeup even if you've never ingested an ounce! So how do you regulate that?! And while some manufacturers do intentionally include it in their products (some even bottle it 100% pure!), others do their best to remove it using scrubbers, dryers and other expensive processes. Should everyone be penalized because of the irresponsible actions of others? I think not.

[Rei]

Man, this thread is hilarious.

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.

*yawn*
Now for my daily dose of trimethylxanthine...

[Chainsaw Dundee]

You know, this thread just gave me an excellent idea. What if say..somebody..were to build a vertical pipeline into space that rapidly drained earth of it's DHMO supply? The DHMO would freeze into a large orbital asteroid, and it could be gradually piped back down in exchange for say..I dunno.. trillions upon zillions of dollars? Those junkies would likely pay $3 or more per gallon just to get their fix. [smiley=greedy.gif] [smiley=pirate.gif]

[rwyatt365]

Man, this thread is hilarious.

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. *It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. *It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.

*yawn*
Now for my daily dose of trimethylxanthine...
Ahhhh...going for the hard stuff!

They always say that DHMO is a gateway drug! [smiley=wreck.gif]

[Chainsaw Dundee]

Man, this thread is hilarious.

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.

*yawn*
Now for my daily dose of trimethylxanthine...
Ahhhh...going for the hard stuff!

They always say that DHMO is a gateway drug! [smiley=wreck.gif]

Dam that stuff! :thumbsdown:

[Rei]

You know, this thread just gave me an excellent idea. What if say..somebody..were to build a vertical pipeline into space that rapidly drained earth of it's DHMO supply? The DHMO would freeze into a large orbital asteroid, and it could be gradually piped back down in exchange for say..I dunno.. trillions upon zillions of dollars? Those junkies would likely pay $3 or more per gallon just to get their fix. [smiley=greedy.gif] [smiley=pirate.gif]
The problem is how much you have to invest to build that vertical pipeline in the first place.

[Rei]

Man, this thread is hilarious.

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.

*yawn*
Now for my daily dose of trimethylxanthine...
Ahhhh...going for the hard stuff!

They always say that DHMO is a gateway drug! [smiley=wreck.gif]

Dam that stuff! :thumbsdown:
Ugh... I can't help it... DHMO mixed with trimethylxanthine is so much more potent.

[rwyatt365]

Ugh... I can't help it... DHMO mixed with trimethylxanthine is so much more potent.
Rei, are we going to have to call the DEA on you? *:suspicious:

Just tell me that you don't do all of that with crystalline disaccharides too? Please Rei, no!!

[Jezebel]

Regulation really isn't practical. We forget that DHMO is a naturally occurring substance – I bet you didn't know that DHMO is part of your chemical makeup even if you've never ingested an ounce! So how do you regulate that?! And while some manufacturers do intentionally include it in their products (some even bottle it 100% pure!), others do their best to remove it using scrubbers, dryers and other expensive processes. Should everyone be penalized because of the irresponsible actions of others? I think not.
Just because a substance is natural does not make it safe! While I'm aware regulation will not completely obliterate the use of this easily obtainable substance, it will discourage its overuse. It will also provide much needed funding to educate the public and organizations that help addicts. The ones truly being penalized are the poor addicts that never even had a chance to live a life free of DHMO addiction.

I'm not sure why you're against knowledge and choice, which is ultimately what these programs would provide.

[Chainsaw Dundee]

You know, this thread just gave me an excellent idea. What if say..somebody..were to build a vertical pipeline into space that rapidly drained earth of it's DHMO supply? The DHMO would freeze into a large orbital asteroid, and it could be gradually piped back down in exchange for say..I dunno.. trillions upon zillions of dollars? Those junkies would likely pay $3 or more per gallon just to get their fix. [smiley=greedy.gif] [smiley=pirate.gif]
The problem is how much you have to invest to build that vertical pipeline in the first place.

That won't be a problem. I'll have more than enough money to pay back the loan once I have trillions upon zillions of dollars.
:)

[rwyatt365]

Just because a substance is natural does not make it safe! While I'm aware regulation will not completely obliterate the use of this easily obtainable substance, it will discourage its overuse. It will also provide much needed funding to educate the public and organizations that help addicts. The ones truly being penalized are the poor addicts that never even had a chance to live a life free of DHMO addiction.

I'm not sure why you're against knowledge and choice, which is ultimately what these programs would provide.
Yes, I'm aware that natural does not equal safe. What I'm trying to avoid is forcing people into making "backwoods" stills to get their DHMO supply. How many people died from bath=tub gin in the 20's because of Prohibition? How many barns get blown up because of crystal-meth explosions? Will we get this – and worse – from illegal DHMO "factories"?

And I'm not going to get pulled into a "pro-choice" / "People-rights" discussion. Those kinds of labels only polarize the conversation without providing any useful information. I think that the government cannot legislate behavior, simply put. It didn't work with alcohol, it won't work with DHMO.

[Jezebel]

Yes, I'm aware that natural does not equal safe. What I'm trying to avoid is forcing people into making "backwoods" stills to get their DHMO supply. How many people died from bath=tub gin in the 20's because of Prohibition? How many barns get blown up because of crystal-meth explosions? Will we get this – and worse – from illegal DHMO "factories"?

And I'm not going to get pulled into a "pro-choice" / "People-rights" discussion. Those kinds of labels only polarize the conversation without providing any useful information. I think that the government cannot legislate behavior, simply put. It didn't work with alcohol, it won't work with DHMO.

Whoa there. I never said anything about prohibition. In fact, I'm against an outright banning of DHMO. I only think it should have restrictions. With it being publicly available to responsible adults (with a modest fee of course), there is little incentive to start underground dealing. Most people would rather pay the fee and not break the law to obtain their supply. Underground dealers would have little incentive as they would have to charge significantly less to make it worthwhile.

Surely you see the problem when there is a 5 year old already ingesting DHMO on a daily basis due to an already hopeless addiction. It's not because of neglect on the part of her parents, it's due to ignorance and lack of available education about the potential dangers. But I suppose you think we should give her a cigarette to go with it?

[rwyatt365]

Whoa there. I never said anything about prohibition. In fact, I'm against an outright banning of DHMO. I only think it should have restrictions. With it being publicly available to responsible adults (with a modest fee of course), there is little incentive to start underground dealing. Most people would rather pay the fee and not break the law to obtain their supply. Underground dealers would have little incentive as they would have to charge significantly less to make it worthwhile.

Surely you see the problem when there is a 5 year old already ingesting DHMO on a daily basis due to an already hopeless addiction. It's not because of neglect on the part of her parents, it's due to ignorance and lack of available education about the potential dangers. But I suppose you think we should give her a cigarette to go with it?
Since when has the government done any taxation (and this is just another tax) in moderation? As soon as the bureaucrats see this revenue stream they'll be latching onto it like flies on (well, you know). That "small fee" will balloon into massive payments and it'll all be "for our own good" which will drive of prices on legitimate uses for DHMO. Then the next thing will to be charging us "DHMO registration fees" for the naturally-occurring DHMO in our own bodies!

I just don’t trust the government to do this reasonably, or fairly.

Yes, I see the problem with "DHMO-babies" every day. It's an epidemic in my city along with the DHMO-whores that litter the back-alleys. Education, helps and programs to assist the already-addicted can only make things better. I think that this is a place where the private sector can do more good than the government. If the government would step in and provide matching funds, or incentive payments to private or non-profit organizations to set up treatment programs, education centers and halfway houses for the DHMO dependant I think we would see a marked improvement in this situation.

[Xenolar]

DHMO is an outrage. And to think that it is being sold ... in stores and supermarkets! Honestly, how low has our society stooped? Radical measures should be taken. DHMO should be entirely eradicated. I am disgusted when I think about the amazingly high content of it our reservoirs. This is anything but the opposite of appalling.

P.S.
Has anyone here ever tried this trick on friends or family members, or anyone else you know? I have never tried it, yet I would imagine the results to be quite amusing.

[snoogit]

Yes, I'm aware that natural does not equal safe. What I'm trying to avoid is forcing people into making "backwoods" stills to get their DHMO supply.

Its too late... I won't post pictures, I want to get approval from the person who owns this still to let me post it, but once I have the approval I'll post said image.

P.S.
Has anyone here ever tried this trick on friends or family members, or anyone else you know? I have never tried it, yet I would imagine the results to be quite amusing.

It was quite a hoot at the rehab clinic.

[OneBadMother]

It might not even be natural anymore. I hear NASA is doing some dubious research into SYNTHESIZING the stuff for their "missions".

Plus, everyone knows that depending on the source, it could be filled with impurities. Some addicts don't even use a filter for the stuff. *shudder*

[Rei]

That won't be a problem. I'll have more than enough money to pay back the loan once I have trillions upon zillions of dollars.
:)
How are you going to go about applying for said loan? :thinking:

[HackerX]

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. *It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. *It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most C2H5OH available on the street these days is cut with about 60% - 65% DHMO (by volume). Sellers of C2H5OH are secretly getting you addicted to DHMO without your knowledge!

[thegnat]

Just for the record, I hate DHMO. It's just so plain... I don't see how people can get addicted to it. It tastes nasty.
I need something more exciting like... say, C2H5OH... though in moderation.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most C2H5OH available on the street these days is cut with about 60% - 65% DHMO (by volume). Sellers of C2H5OH are secretly getting you addicted to DHMO without your knowledge!



That is so true! And it's not the C2H5OH itself that makes you drunk it's the azeotrope with DHMO that makes you drunk! DHMO is evil!

[Chainsaw Dundee]

How are you going to go about applying for said loan? :thinking:


Now this uncannily starting to seem like you're trying to steal my idea.
:angry:

[ssfanatic]

THis is the weirdest H2O conversation i have ever heard:undecided:...

[Gonzo]

I say yes... Had a friend who OD'ed on DHMO... Bad stuff... It's like Pringles: Once you pop you just can't stop!

BTW I think Africa already has a ban on it

[HackerX]

I know that where I live in Queensland, Australia, there are strict restrictions on the use of DHMO for non personal use.

THis is the weirdest H2O conversation i have ever heard:undecided:...

WTF is H2O? This is a conversation about DHMO ;)

[Zilal]

Have you ever checked the DHMO content of your foods? I believe it's added for bulk and texture, or for emulsions... it's pretty standard, actually. So you have to be careful.

I had a major problem once when DHMO contaminant seeped into my basement apartment from the soil during a major rainstorm, leaving DHMO traces six inches high on the walls and spurring the growth of fungus. It ruined my computer and several books.

[bubbles]

Have you ever checked the DHMO content of your foods? I believe it's added for bulk and texture, or for emulsions... it's pretty standard, actually. So you have to be careful.

I actually lost weight by consuming large amounts of DHMO. Oh crap, I think I'm addicted to it.

[Caramel]

DHMO is scary enough, but its angry big brother, dihydrogen dioxide, is even worse. :x

[scientist768]

Could you accurately explain to me how to ''Ban'' hydrogen oxide.It is the most abundant compound on earth.

[searcheagle]

Indeed, but only under the grounds that it is replaced with alcohol. Getting your alcohol/weight proportion up to 70% isn't as hard as they say it is. :thumbsup:

I heard that alcohol is frequently produced with DHMO, so even that won't help you. You may not be aware of this, but anyone who has consumed even a drop of DHMO has died!





searcheagle added to this post, 1 minutes and 22 seconds later...

Could you accurately explain to me how to ''Ban'' hydrogen oxide.It is the most abundant compound on earth.

This is no time to focus on road blocks. We have a major health issue to solve here. The future of mankind is on the line.

[burazekun]

I always get the feeling that we are constantly running, scared and fearful that we are going to lose our lives or lose who we are. I for one will say I dont care, but there wasn't a poll option for that. So I said "Maybe". Almost everything we take in to this day has disease or sickness causing effects. You can poison yourself with copper, you can poison your self with vitamin C. Now it's true that this DHMO can do more then that, but it is used in many things that make our lives easier. Which in some odd way expands our life spans anyway.

I for one will say I dont care like before, I am tired of running with the crowd from our next imagined preditor. Imagine this, before civilizations, we were scared of spirits taking our souls away! But the real cause of our deaths was other preditors or disease because we weren't clean.