Realms

[Blacklustre King]

What do you think of other realms, whether taken from Buddhist, Hindu, or Nordic mythologies what is your stance?

Say even the belief in parallel dimensions, theoretical or not?

How would one go about accessing these alternate worlds and realities?

Please try to keep it purely scientific unless there is a particular religious view that just happens to sound reasonable enough to even be considered “realistically theoretical.”

[Antares]

I should study cosmology and astrophysics before I attempt to form an opinion :D I always wonder about parallel dimensions, and about the theory that time rewinds when one breaks the speed of light. Which time travel paradox do you all believe in? If I can go back in time and create another timeline where I got A's instead of C's in elementary school, I'd be forever happy. Those grades were shameful.

[gallihand]

I should study cosmology and astrophysics before I attempt to form an opinion :D I always wonder about parallel dimensions, and about the theory that time rewinds when one breaks the speed of light. Which time travel paradox do you all believe in? If I can go back in time and create another timeline where I got A's instead of C's in elementary school, I'd be forever happy. Those grades were shameful.

I was thinking about that the other day but I can't see how one can rewind time by going faster than the speed of light. v = d/t if you graphed it there would be a break at t = 0 as anything divided by 0 is indeterminate (think thats the right word). So I don't see how it would be possible to get over the break OR the infinite amount of energy required to get to the non-existent "peak". Also the simple problem that if speed is infinite once you null the time component meaning an object would be able to traverse the universe instantly, however since time hasn't changed it would still be in the place it *is* (as time hasn't moved) and all points in between. Maybe there is a way but I can't see how it would "rewind" time.

I also can't see absolute zero as achievable since temperature = average kinetic energy of all the molecules. However magnetism and gravity would make the molecules move no matter what as you can't balance the forces to every one. Or if possible I'd think that the magnitude of the difficulty is ridiculous.

Would probably help if I actually studied the current theories but I much prefer trying to figure out stuff like this on my own and see what the general consensus is.

On topic: I see no reason why other universes couldn't exist especially if the big bang theory is accurate. Considering how stars form out of gases that get drawn together by gravity it stands to reason that the same thing could happen with universes. The gap may be different than the kind between stars but the same concept applies.

Also since it is theorized that there are 7 dimensions but we only utilize 4 (up/down, left/right, forward/back, and time) there is a good chance that there are. Does a realm that travels the opposite way in time count?

[Blacklustre King]

Facinating, a realm that travels in reverse, one cannot prove or disprove its existence and by all logic it MUST exist somewhere somehow, seven dimensions and infinitely possible physics would one even consider another realm being composed of a different form of energy or matter.

The complexities are far beyond even my capability to understand fully without loosing my mind in the process. There may or may not be one concrete simplified answer however I can at least attempt to categorize it into a simple a way as possible even if it means using archaic terms to describe certain aspects.

If one believes in spiritual particles any number of possibilities open. Projection and even “transcendence” however like every theory there is little prove it but less to disprove it. The physics of our universe may alone be far beyond mathematics in their complexities. So much remains unexplained and unexplainable.

Force and Mass all can be disproved and distorted by the passage of time which in itself seems a puzzle unsolvable the speed of light versus the proverbial set molecular pole, which would reach the target first, the tip of the pole or light?

This could contribute to the idea that the speed of light can be broken without infinite inflation of matter. Then again why can one not simply transverse “space” instantly?

I seem to be asking more questions then supplying actual insight…

In my own personal belief the physics of our own universe are so misunderstood it constantly contradicts itself despite the “concrete” findings of our so called scientists.

To travel to another realm, where even new dimensions may exist coupled with unique and ever changing physics opens the door to possibilities once only though capable of in our dreams and imagination.

In our world dragons may not exist but in another they may be a constant threat to mankind. Who said it has to be mankind, maybe a Tolkienian middle earth exists and by all means it “could”.

However my question remains the same, how would I go about escaping this deceptively mundane realm for one with more “meaning”?

Ancient cultures and even religions do not dispute the existence of other realms and speak of them as though they have had some form of extended contact with these realms in the distant past.

This is all speculation of course.:p

[Doppelbock]

My evil twin brother Trippelbock visits parallel dimensions all the time. Really he's not my twin, he's actually *me* from a parallel universe. Long story, maybe I'll tell it some time.

Anyway, here's my take on parallel universes. It's all related to time. You have to understand that time is quantized, not continuous. The smallest possible interval or "unit" of time is the chronon, which IIRC is about 1 x 10^-24 seconds. Time passes through a succession of "nows" that are 1 chronon apart. Each particular "now" is instantaneous, i.e., of zero duration.

There are an infinite number of parallel universes occupying the exact same space, but offset from each other by less than 1 chronon in time -- i.e., their "nows" are all interleaved in time. Since the "nows" for each universe happen at different points in time, the parallel universes are unaware of each others' existences. But my brother Trippelbock's time machine blew an amplifier, causing him to travel sub-chronon distances, which enabled him to discover the parallel universes. Well, rediscover, since Fatherbock had discovered them much earlier. Like I said, it's a long story.

DB

[OmegaPsi]

You know while reading this thread, a question popped in my mind. Would it be a good Idea to at all try to go to a diffrent universe?

Lets imagine a portal thing that we [humans] invented, that is used to travel to the diffrent universes. We send in a few scientists to go in and check it out, they go from being 35-50 year olds to being a 120 and being dried up husks. Then due to the particle form of the parallel universe it seeps through and our time is sped up and the whole universe gets obliterated.

Things like that could theorectically happen, is it worth the risk?

[gallihand]

Things like that could theorectically happen, is it worth the risk?

I ask the same thing about some other physics experiments. Like making mini black holes. Ummm... is that really a good idea? I mean one mistake and there goes the planet, the sun, and the solar system.


@Blacklustre King
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Take a look at that. It has a few ideas about other realms that you might find interesting.

I was going to start throwing more things out there but I'm stuck in a vicious cycle of learning to support/critique my argument.

The only way I've found to escape so far is through fantasy and sci-fi books and my mind. I have a whole universe in my head.

[Doppelbock]

I think Asimov had a novel about this. Maybe "The Gods Themselves" or something. A physicist found an alternate universe where the laws of physics (or at least the physical constants) were somewhat different than ours and there was "seepage" between the two universes, such that our universe started to become in danger (the changing physical constants sped up the sun's ultimate demise, etc.).

[gallihand]

Nice recall.

"The Gods Themselves is a 1972 science fiction novel written by Isaac Asimov. It won the Nebula Award for Best Novel in 1972 and the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1973." - Wikipedia

Great. Now I have to add another book onto my reading list!

[Doppelbock]

You're an INTJ! You should already have all of Asimov's books in your reading list!

DB ;-)

[gallihand]

I read a few of his books. I just haven't gotten to the others. I read Nemesis a few years back but I can't remember what else of his I've read.

[LordHawk]

Keeping to a purely scientific point of view, I was reading a book called Supernatural and I can't remember the author's name. There is some conjecture that religion with its figures and rituals and gods and beasts was set down by people who saw these things in other realms. A lot of their "travelling" was done with the aid of hallucinogenic compounds (mostly plants) that took them to other realms. If you look into shamanistic religions it is considered possible to travel without the aid of these drugs although thats probably a response to our modern antipathy toward drugs.

[Blacklustre King]

I, however am looking for a way to physically move from one realm to another via any possible or “impossible” application.

Good thinking though, what you have posted will ultimately aid in my research. I will study more closely the so called delusions of mad men and drug addicts.

[LordHawk]

People did at one time say madmen were touched by the gods. The court jester or the king's fool was the only person who could tell the king the truth with impunity. The author of the book is Graham Hancock.