Ambition

[OmegaPsi]

What is wrong with overambition? Whats wrong with wanting more or to achieve your goals? Why do so many cultures look down upon it? What are your guy's views on Ambition?

[richirare]

Ambition is GOOD, actually, is always necessary if you want to accomplish something (not counting mere chances). As with any excesses (and the opposite) you have to be extremely careful to compensate those so it can work out fine for you and the people around you. To me the problem is that overambition sometimes leads people to exceed the limits and not to take in consideration others rights. I'm much more ambitious than the average but I try hard to not upset anybody when I'm doing my thing.

[thod]

To be happy you must live in present and be content in that.

Ambition is unhappyness now, unhappyness when you fail to achieve it, unhappyness when you do achieve it and find its not what you wanted after all.

[The Many]

To be happy you must live in present and be content in that.

Ambition is unhappyness now, unhappyness when you fail to achieve it, unhappyness when you do achieve it and find its not what you wanted after all.

Make that happiness now since you are actually doing something, and happiness when you do achieve it since you have planned so well so that you knew what you wanted to do, and did exactly that.

[karen]

I would say that ambition is a very important value in life. You should always be working and striving to acheive. Personally, I have never understood the unambitious. I wonder if they have any pride; any sense of what it feels like to accomplish something with sheer will and determination. There is no such thing as over ambition so long as you are willing to work your butt off. On the other hand, there are people out there who imagine and imagine without taking any action on their ideas.... not so good.

[blueback]

Ambition is good as long as it's not for its own sake.

If you are ambitious because it makes you happy, then you will do the right thing and not step on anyone. If you are ambitious because you are unhappy when you're not beating someone then you will end up doing something bad.

There's nothing wrong with ambition, or the lack of it, as long as you're doing what you want to do. Some people are perfectly happy to find a job that they are comfortable working for the rest of their lives, raise some good kids, and spend retirement with their wife. . .there's nothing wrong with that. Some people are truly happy only when they are seeking out and overcoming one challenge after another. . .there's nothing wrong with that either.

[Antares]

What is wrong with overambition? Whats wrong with wanting more or to achieve your goals? Why do so many cultures look down upon it? What are your guy's views on Ambition?

There's nothing inherently wrong with it. In fact, I'm an ambitious person myself. However, there will be something wrong with ambition when it becomes a fanatical obssession and the person is willing to go on any lengths to achieve their ends.





Camelopardalis added to this post, 2 minutes and 6 seconds later...

To be happy you must live in present and be content in that.

Ambition is unhappyness now, unhappyness when you fail to achieve it, unhappyness when you do achieve it and find its not what you wanted after all.

Ambition is happiness now, happiness when you achieve it, happiness when you do achieve it and find that you're exactly where you wanted to be and enjoy a sense of fulfillment.

It can work both ways.

[blueback]

To be happy you must live in present and be content in that.

Ambition is unhappyness now, unhappyness when you fail to achieve it, unhappyness when you do achieve it and find its not what you wanted after all.

Everyone who thinks this way is currently alive only because of the people who don't think this way.

[1OFMANY]

LOL..Ambition.

Thats the one thing I don't own alot of stock in. I can do absolutely anything I set out to do. I'm not a genious by any means, but I am pretty damn bright, I work hard, I can focus, I solve problems alot of people stumble on...the one thing I dont have is ambition lol. I just don't give a fucc about things most of the time. If I could crack the ambition nut my life would be completely different.

[Gonzo]

What is wrong with overambition? Whats wrong with wanting more or to achieve your goals? Why do so many cultures look down upon it? What are your guy's views on Ambition?

Well like others have said theres nothing wrong with having ambition. It's a very good quality to have since it's almost impossible to "go places" today without it. Having a little ambition can never hurt, regardless if you want big or small things out of life.

OVERambition on the other hand is not so good. If your overambitious your basically setting yourself up for constant failure, because the goals you set will be above your level of skill. Never being able live up to your own expectations... You don't have to be a psychologist to see how that can be unhealthy ;).

So to conclude:
Ambition :thumbsup:
OVERambition :thumbsdown:

[ssfanatic]

What is wrong with overambition? Whats wrong with wanting more or to achieve your goals? Why do so many cultures look down upon it? What are your guy's views on Ambition?
Ambition...GOOD.
Over ambition...BAD.
Ambitions can lead us to out goals, but very rarely is it a straight simple, never changing road to reach them. We just have the will to keep going.
Over ambition can cause you to ignore the precautions, logical planning, and dangers of the task. We lose sight of the things around us and develop "tunnel vision", thus may reach our goal, but in the process trample over others and hurt ourselves in the process.

[danalaina]

a little goes a long way, i think.

when someone gets too ambitious, s/he sees only the goal...not all the steps in between. from a nicey-nice standpoint, it's too easy to trample on people when that happens. from a practical standpoint, it's too easy to overlook important things that could get in the way.

[errrzarrr]

Answer about Ambition is so simple:

-Are you Conscient about it and you control it? Yes. It is good then
-You don't even know what's going on and you can't control your ambition? It is bad then.

[Blacklustre King]

Ambition in my opinion is almost a necessity for healthy INTJs. Without it our very nature is hollowed out. We aspire to see the world change for the better or worse, worse to ultimately become better or better to fall into chaos. How ever we view the world as good or bad to destroy or create, maybe only repair.

The truth is this entire world is shaped on the shoulders of the INTJs whose ideas and proposals are often so radical and threatening to the norm in a society where people feel like they have some concrete message they need to adhere to, we become the enemy.

We are the enemy of all that is conformed; we question the traditional and attempt to improve upon it where it is broken or otherwise. It is a good thing we are nearly less then a percent of the total population of the earth as even one of us has the potential to change the entire system, all the programming of the human race in one life time.

My views on becoming immortal have been met with great scrutiny however I have pushed past the ignorant hearsay and continued my research despite the hubris of it all. There is so much in this world and perhaps other worlds to see only to die in a mere hundred years or so, too much to know and change. Far too much to shape, the future would become a sandbox of infinite possibilities for an INTJ with chronological immortality. Perhaps with immortality my ultimate ambition could be achieved in one say “lifetime”. Ultimately my contingency speaks for itself, I can handle being immortal.

I have radical ambitions, perhaps far beyond much of anything else one might see in this forum.

[stasis]

What is wrong with overambition? Whats wrong with wanting more or to achieve your goals? Why do so many cultures look down upon it? What are your guy's views on Ambition?
Calling it overambition in the first place implies that you're dealing with too much of the subject. By definition more ambition than is warranted, useful, or otherwise prudent to context. In general though, I find nothing wrong with ambition or strong ambition. In fact, I tend to like people who do not settle for less than what they want. I often like them even more when they are inclined to pursue what they want decisively, and particularly so when that pursuit involves a shrug at any appealing to the purported 'virtue of meekness' that might be taking jealous or reflexive place in the socio-popular background.

Some of the previous posters seem to want to attribute strong ambition to a lack of personal awareness, a loss of focus and/or some othersuch thing, but I do not find that to necessarily follow. A person can be supremely ambitious and simultaneously realistic about his or her own actualized abilities as well as the maintenance of the mechanism of achievement.

[OmegaPsi]

I have radical ambitions, perhaps far beyond much of anything else one might see in this forum.

Just out of curiosity what are your views for immortality?

[Tsuru]

Ambition = the life blood for human society. If people had no ambition, nothing new would be invented, and nothing would be improved. We'd still be living in caves without the spark of human ambition.

I think ambition is seen as negative in some circles still mainly due to (oh god, more religion criticism) christian influences on society. Ambition is seeking betterment and achievement within the temporal realm, while christianity condemns it because it reinforces renunciation of the current life for the next.

So uhh... yay ambition. :p

[Blacklustre King]

Just out of curiosity what are your views for immortality?

I view it as being immune to the effects of oxidation, maintaining cellular immortality even if it means building my own new body from single type stem cells and then somehow transferring my consciousness into that new form whatever I so chose to make it.

[desg90]

I view it as being immune to the effects of oxidation, maintaining cellular immortality even if it means building my own new body from single type stem cells and then somehow transferring my consciousness into that new form whatever I so chose to make it.

I agree with your views.
Have you considered Cryopreserving your brain/body?
Alcor seems to be a pretty reliable (and expensive) institution and authority in Cryogenics.
I think it's more than a good hope for all of us craving for that kind of immortality. :thumbsup:

[OmegaPsi]

I view it as being immune to the effects of oxidation, maintaining cellular immortality even if it means building my own new body from single type stem cells and then somehow transferring my consciousness into that new form whatever I so chose to make it.

You know, theres a type of jelly fish that can reverse its cellular progress and become a polyp again and do it infinitly. So its baisically immortal. Im sure in a billion years when we achieve genetic implants well be able to live forever then =)

[desg90]

You know, theres a type of jelly fish that can reverse its cellular progress and become a polyp again and do it infinitly. So its baisically immortal. Im sure in a billion years when we achieve genetic implants well be able to live forever then =)

That's what Cryogenics theory is all about:
They stop all biological degradation when you're legally dead
(which doesn't necessarily mean you'll be dead on a biological level),
Trying to save your brain cells from irreversibly degrading.

And, when they discover how to reverse the damage done by the process
(with nanotechnology, or so they expect), they will "wake you up".

Then, if you only preserved your brain, or your body is beyond repair,
they would redo a body for you with your stem cells
(which, I assume, will be modified in order to have a healthier DNA).
Or the nanobots will take care of your old age problems (if you legally died at an old age).

Sounds futuristic. But what better way of waiting for future to come,
than doing so in near-absolute zero temperature?
It's practically stopping time from corrupting your body!
Or, as mathematicians would say: you're be so close to zero that the difference is negligible!

[Blacklustre King]

You may have saved me a few decades with just those jellyfish comments assuming I was not about to stumble across this myself. I’ am after all only twelve years into my research and yes I started it when I was eight.

Around the time I stopped listening in school. :p

[desg90]

You may have saved me a few decades with just those jellyfish comments assuming I was not about to stumble across this myself. I’ am after all only twelve years into my research and yes I started it when I was eight.

Around the time I stopped listening in school. :p

Twelve years of research...
And to think I've been barely researching the subject for only 4 years... :stunned:
If it wasn't a private school, I would just stop listening as well
and fully immerse myself into the subject! ;)

By the way, if anyone wishes to contribute to my "Life Extension" culture, I'm open to all tips, notes, and head-ups. ;D

[thod]

Why would they want to wake you up is the big question. Seems to me the living have no interest in waking the dead who will then go on to claim the assets of the living. They have no reason to expend any efforts to keep the freezing tanks operational either.

The only reason that it continues is that there are so few, that choose to kill themselves in the hope of eternal resurection, that its of no interest to politicians. If it were to continue down the centuries we would be overloaded with the corpsicles. If society finds it is spending more than a trivial amount of resources on maintain them they will be switched off and made into dog food.

[desg90]

There goes an ignorant remark!

The story and theory are quite long, but understandable.
I suggest you inform yourself of Cryonics on pages like:
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Enough research should solve any doubts about
the science of "freezing tanks", the number of researchers, patients
and prospects, economics, community, ethics and expectations.

After said research you might want to reconsider your post.
To the educated reader, that opinion looks like you got it from a cheesy sci-fi movie script.
No disrespect meant.

[thod]

Cryptopreservation is old tech, I recall when these outfits first set up. Pumping bodies full of antifreeze and sticking them in liquid nitrogen is hardly high tech.

People that do it are answering Pascals dilemma. Even if a technique were developed to repair the damage of the anitfreeze and revive them there is the question of motive.

The real issue I have with it is cost. Keeping them going is not free it requires real effort and resources from the living and space to store the corpsicles. Yet the living dont seem to have any motive to make this effort. As a society you want resources to be spent on the problems of the day.

The whole concept in too reliant on altruism for my taste. Even with trust funds, I would simply take over and charge exhorbitant rates in order to drain the fund to myself. There is nobody to object, the dead are dead and easy prey. It is naive to human nature.

[desg90]

Please do tell us if you ever become head of any Cryopreservation Institute.
A chairman who refuses to see farther than tomorrow's morning would certainly be dangerous for such a scientific institution.
I'd need to take security measures, just in case. :undecided:

Imagine that! Another chief director who deceives defenseless clients and
takes all that money (100, 000 USD per brain, 150, 000 USD per body) for himself.
The world is certainly going forward. :rolleyes: