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zibber
08-24-2009, 07:45 AM
I’ve experienced the ‘stare’ – one of the most strangely intense experiences I’ve had. He looked straight into my eyes with this small smile for what seemed like 5 minutes. I looked away for a while and when I turned back, there he was. Staring.

May just have been thinking about something entirely unrelated..

Prunesquallor
08-24-2009, 07:57 AM
Sounds like he likes you.

jesster
08-26-2009, 06:27 AM
Ah, my INTJ is exactly like this too!

At first I was sure he didn't like me at all, as he didn't show any of the usual affections (physicality, admiring words, smooth little moves), and I'd wonder what the hell we were doing there.

It's such an interesting difference, as an INFP I find my ISTJ so intriguing and enchanting even. It feels nice to be shown this kind of attention and thoughtfulness, over the usual meat market stuff.

(not that our relationship is going anywhere, but, separate issues)

K27
08-27-2009, 09:32 AM
I find it bizarre to agree 90% of these stuff while I'm an (tested to be) INTP.
Should I shift camp? ;D


'coz I'm not an INTJ so I'll ask this in this way and add this into your list if you find it applicable:
Anyone would start listening to the artist that boy/girl love even if you don't like that artist before?

I Did that.

breeze
08-27-2009, 02:32 PM
Wow! looking back on my interactions with the INTJ I'm interested in, he must be more into me than I thought at first! yay!

Nostalgia
08-27-2009, 03:00 PM
When they bite you! no,wait..wait, sorry.. that is a vampire....
When they say "BRAAAAINNNNS"!......no no, those are freaking zombies....

I guess INTJ are pretty nonchalant when it comes to showing interests, it is just when they start spending time and talking to you about stuff, which in itself is a big feat for an INTJ...unless of course, he/she is a zombie or a vampire INTJ, then you will probably notice it more readily.....

Claudus
08-27-2009, 07:40 PM
- Before you know each other well... is more careful/guarded around you than other people, whose opinion they do not care about.

slinkerton
08-27-2009, 07:55 PM
If, in conversation, you start feeling like your being investigated, that the personal qualities you hold dear are being plotted on a graph set at a much finer scale than you're ordinarily used to, and you're having a progressively harder time digging up evidence to substantiate who you say you are, you're being probed by an INTJ with a serious crush. A smitten INTJ is a mental stalker.

lostandfound
08-27-2009, 08:15 PM
We should make a list for regular guys about how to catch INTJ women.

I think by definition INTJ women don't want to be caught, nor are they interested in regular guys...

Evangelist
08-29-2009, 06:46 PM
an INTJ might like you if
- they introduce you to their friends and are not embarrassed by you
-if they share their mindspace with you
-if the stop "nodding and smiliing" and ask, "What did you say?"
-if they correct your grammar with tenderness
-if they invite you to their private home
-if you meet the standard of attraction most attractive men can't meet

paperclip
08-29-2009, 07:06 PM
i'm so happy i found this forum, I feel like so much less of a freak

"INTJ women do not spend time with men they aren't into unless its political or family or business." perfect.

HalfPint
08-31-2009, 07:45 PM
They bother to explain their actions to you.

escapist11
09-01-2009, 04:55 PM
In my case, it's usually if I'm bothering to talk to you.
This goes for plain old 'like' as in you're an ok person and you don't completely annoy the hell out of me. It means that I'm allowing you to be around me.

As for the case of 'like' when wanting to be more than just friends, it's really a combination of a lot of what everyone else has said and my personal experiences. Guys never give me the time of day, so I've kind of learned to just not let guys talk to me in the first place. If I do let someone talk to me and if I open up, it means that something in them has caught my attention and I trust them.

So I guess to add to the list, if it hasn't been added already:
- They trust you enough to talk to you

Stelinzoe
09-02-2009, 10:38 AM
If right now, on your ninth wedding anniversary, they have not said hello, goodmorning, looked at you, touched you, acknowledged your prescence, but when your two-year-old daughter tells you "No!" they motion for them to come and proceed to discipline them saying "Do not tell Mama 'no'!"
Wow. I think my INTJ husband likes me.

Coralaisly
09-04-2009, 12:54 AM
If they steal a handwriting sample from you and analyze it, then photocopy the sample and covertly return the original paper to you.

Not that I would EVER do such a thing.

HAHAHA I have done that. But I took it a step further, I got out my uncle's book on handwriting analysis... I really liked him haha

-they can quote you (but wether or not they will depends on how perseptive they believe you are)
-they will go to painstaking efforts to avoid arguing with you
-if they can get a sample of your clothing, they will just short of worship it (if it's been worn & not washed even BETTER!!)
-they will get kind of playful, and might nudge or "accidentally" bump into you, as your mere presence, and touch doesn't repulse them (they can do an uncanny impression of a vampire shrinking from the light)
-don't discount that little smirk. it IS in fact a smile, and to them, it's like wearing a shirt that says "HEY!!!! I LIKE YOU!!!!" and pointing to it while maintaining eye contact
-they will say things like "hmm.. I thought you didn't like pizza..." just to get you to tell them more about yourself. which they are in fact collecting, and in a couple weeks, they will know you, everything you do, everything you like and don't like, your medical history and anything else they can find about you. We're kind of like raccoons, and info about you is like an irresistably shiny thing...
-they appear not to be paying attention to you, even if you're standing right next to them. they're in fact watching your every move

Ceres
09-04-2009, 03:20 AM
I agree with a lot of what's been said, especially the physical contact comments.
For me when I like someone, I will be completely focussed on what they say and actually go to the effort of asking them questions about them. When I am no longer internally focussed, half listening to the conversation, while thinking about something completely different.

Bluesea
09-19-2009, 11:05 PM
some of these have rung a bell with me:

* body language that attraction is present combined with deliberately avoiding - when feelings are being generated this produces discomfort so one needs to remove oneself from the stimulus!
* smiling, although this can be due to other things as well
* supportive of the person 100% time, not wanting them to fail, helping them to succeed. (Did not relate to a tendency to be more critical or negative about them).
* thinking about them too much, finding it hard not to be aware of their presence
* curious to find out additional information about them
* making more stupid physical errors or bumping into things around them - where has that usual calm focus gone?!
* highly unlikely to express feelings, the other needs to intuit the situation and make the move first regardless of how avoidant and ambiguous the information you've provided is - kind of a way of working out how tuned in / aware / smart they are?
* recognizing your existence or happen to look at you even if you are not addressing them.
* ask you an innocent, often technical, question just to talk to you. Being interested in any area they have intellectual prowess or ability and asking for guidance on it.
* More likely to doubt certainty about the other person's level of interest and consider the in's and out's of potential rejection and risk and miss opportunities.

It is a wonder we find partners at all really. Guess it is a measure of their interest to persist in such ambiguous territory ... if you are interested in an INTJ I suggest - don't wait for them to come out with it, go on the small signs, the ambiguity is about them trying to manage themselves and privacy in the early stages. Not fair I know, but it might be worth it in the end, and worst case scenario the confusion ends and you know where it stands?

Soulless
09-19-2009, 11:25 PM
as an INTJ, i am more interested in knowing how i show a girl i like her. tips?

i hate romance, affection, care, anything warm and fuzzy. ughh.

i'm gonna start a new thread.

PS i am digging escapist 11's idea.

WhiteMarker
09-20-2009, 02:42 AM
An INTJ might like you if...

-They try desperately to get you to like their music
-You find a file on their computer buried under about six folders titled something random like "Pickles and My Analysis Thereof" that contains all your personal information
-They're not generally concerned with what you've done so long as they know why you did it
-(If they really like you) Your dates are actually conversations and not just interviews

Exsuscito
09-20-2009, 03:19 AM
An INTJ might like you if...

-They try desperately to get you to like their music
-You find a file on their computer buried under about six folders titled something random like "Pickles and My Analysis Thereof" that contains all your personal information
-They're not generally concerned with what you've done so long as they know why you did it
-(If they really like you) Your dates are actually conversations and not just interviews

I took a break from dating because I already have a job.





Exsuscito added to this post, 4 minutes and 45 seconds later...

May just have been thinking about something entirely unrelated..

This is so true!
I do this, it's best just to leave me with your phone number. That way my absent-minded brain can figure-it out when I snap out of it, usually sometime between 12:00am and 12:03am.

postem
09-21-2009, 01:16 PM
I'm looking to make a big list of all the weird little things an INTJ does to show they like you. I'm only looking for stuff that's kind of particular to INTJs though-- so, for example, offering to buy you a drink is not a particularly INTJ trait.

There can be contradictions in the list too-- INTJs are complex people.

I'll start. The format is this:
An INTJ might like you if:
...they're ignoring you on purpose.
...they're noticing your existance.
...they're being particularly nice towards you.
...they're being particularly mean to you.
...they criticize you a little too much.
...they interrupt their reading/writing/drawing/studying to talk to you.


These 2 are very caracteristic of me. I always acted this way, and not wonder people doesnt understand. Now im trying the others, like being gentle or faking interests.





postem added to this post, 6 minutes and 37 seconds later...

INTJ doesn't like you: a) INTJ fakes friendliness with you to avoid conflict. b) INTJ plots your destruction.

INTJ likes you a little (neutral) : INTJ treats you with respect, but with detachment.

INTJ likes you fairly well: INTJ is more friendly with you than with other people.

INTJ likes you a lot: INTJ ignores you. INTJ thinks about you often. INTJ stalks you, wondering if you're noticing. INTJ is scared.

Lol this is quite a bit true about how i works. The likes a lot mainly, very true.

srkelley
09-23-2009, 01:37 PM
^That is true. Why do we develop these types of similarities? I shouldn't be able to go to a website and believe I stumbled upon cleverly hidden profile of myself.

Blues69
09-23-2009, 02:35 PM
For me all the typical things like holding eye contact and sitting closer are out the window. I've mixed in some things which others say I do too...

An INTJ may like you (non-verbally) if he:
acknowledges your existance first
hardly ever looks at you directly
smiles strangely (can't really explain...)
looks straight at you if he does look at you (stares too)
knows where you are most of the time
knows your timetable

An INTJ may like you (verbally) if he:
holds you to high expectations
is completely himself around you
remembers details about you
re-considers your feelings/intake when making a decision
TELLS YOU
is hardly ever sarcastic to you

An INTJ may NOT like you if he:
ALWAYS atleast tries to ignore you
didn't acknowledged your existance first and you said something offensive to him.
is not himself around you
seemingly hardly ever listens to you

Ways not to tell if an INTJ likes you:
Almost every conventional method of knowing if someone likes you especially eye contact.

mrStevens
09-23-2009, 03:19 PM
An INTJ might like you if:

...you notice they show up in the same places you normally frequent. (They've already calculated when and where is their best chance to get to talk to you)

Fanowene
09-23-2009, 04:50 PM
Stuff I've been doing recently... (I added "female" since I don't know if it applies to guys.)

A female INTJ might like you if...

... she adds seemingly superfluous details to an email that indicate more about her whereabouts/timetable.
... she makes a special effort to be near you / be friends / stay in contact.
... she makes a special effort to help out your friends so she is welcome around them too.
... she remembers something interesting you said a while back, either as a direct quote or pretty close to that.
... she tries to subtlety gain more information about you.
... she asks questions about you, especially about your plans for the future.
... she is interested in your personality, not just the obvious external stuff.
... she seems to recognize faces (and possibly names) of people she's never met (evidence of Facebook "stalking"; watch her face).
... she seems overly interested in any female contacts you have.


A female INTJ might like you even if...

... she doesn't ask questions about you.
... a family member unexpectedly shows up when you're together and the INTJ hastily introduces you as a classmate (followed by some awkwardness).
... she avoids eye contact and tries not to let the crush/attraction/interest show.
... she takes things slowly.

vern
09-23-2009, 05:18 PM
I giggle...
Okay I lied, I have never giggled. I blushed once though, although it was sunny that day and I don't think I really was.

If I like some one I tell them so. Both 'I like you' and 'you amuse me' have been known to come from my lips. I generally avoid people I detest.

jimnorris
09-28-2009, 10:12 AM
If someone else has covered these then please forgive me but an INTJ might like you if:

they tease you unmercifully yet are quick to defend you to someone else.
they are emotionally distant yet overwhelm you with compliments (words are a beautiful vehicle of expression, you know)
they default to your choice of restaurant regardless of who is paying.

The point is that you will know an INTJ tends to like you if you can say that you have a good portion of their attention. We don't give our attentions to people or things that do not interest us unless we are forced to do so. Your problem might be in getting them to admit they like you since you will be engaging the emotional spectrum which is difficult for us to do. For me, if I like someone I tend to become like their personal bodyguard or something. You don't mess with my compadres. I hope this helps a little:)

escapist11
09-30-2009, 10:01 AM
I might like you

...if even when I have a bunch of reading to do, 2 papers to write, AND a massive headache, I go out to listen to live jazz with you.





escapist11 added to this post, 10 minutes and 0 seconds later...

Stuff I've been doing recently... (I added "female" since I don't know if it applies to guys.)

A female INTJ might like you if...

... she adds seemingly superfluous details to an email that indicate more about her whereabouts/timetable.
... she makes a special effort to be near you / be friends / stay in contact.
... she makes a special effort to help out your friends so she is welcome around them too.
... she remembers something interesting you said a while back, either as a direct quote or pretty close to that.
... she tries to subtlety gain more information about you.
... she asks questions about you, especially about your plans for the future.
... she is interested in your personality, not just the obvious external stuff.
... she seems to recognize faces (and possibly names) of people she's never met (evidence of Facebook "stalking"; watch her face).
... she seems overly interested in any female contacts you have.


A female INTJ might like you even if...

... she doesn't ask questions about you.
... a family member unexpectedly shows up when you're together and the INTJ hastily introduces you as a classmate (followed by some awkwardness).
... she avoids eye contact and tries not to let the crush/attraction/interest show.
... she takes things slowly.



While I'm guilty of all of these, the bolded ones are the ones I've been guilty of pretty recently.





escapist11 added to this post, 19 minutes and 29 seconds later...

INTJ doesn't like you: a) INTJ fakes friendliness with you to avoid conflict. b) INTJ plots your destruction.

INTJ likes you a little (neutral) : INTJ treats you with respect, but with detachment.

INTJ likes you fairly well: INTJ is more friendly with you than with other people.

INTJ likes you a lot: INTJ ignores you. INTJ thinks about you often. INTJ stalks you, wondering if you're noticing. INTJ is scared.

This is me right now. Every time I meet a guy, he loses interest within a week. The week isn't over yet...
I hope you stick around.

Exodus
09-30-2009, 03:40 PM
This is me right now. Every time I meet a guy, he loses interest within a week. The week isn't over yet...
I hope you stick around.


escapist - I was in precisely this same position a few weeks ago. Out of no where I went from being and emotionally stable person, to suddenly having every emotion I have thrown into flux. It seemed irrational, as it probably was, and I was quite scared of it not working out.

Well, it didn't work out. And I was surprised at how quickly my emotions rebounded and stabilized again after the initial sting wore off.

Good luck.

escapist11
09-30-2009, 10:50 PM
escapist - I was in precisely this same position a few weeks ago. Out of no where I went from being and emotionally stable person, to suddenly having every emotion I have thrown into flux. It seemed irrational, as it probably was, and I was quite scared of it not working out.

Well, it didn't work out. And I was surprised at how quickly my emotions rebounded and stabilized again after the initial sting wore off.

Good luck.

:(
I'm kind of starting to like this guy a lot, and I don't like people that often. I'm pretty picky, and this one
did something right to get me to bother talking to him. I hope it's not all a waste.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...if I actually answer your texts.

magdalena
10-13-2009, 12:00 PM
So if an INTJ tells me that ____ is his favorite song in the world and shares it with me,
I should assume I'm in huh?
He told me he was scared to share his music with me. I couldn't wrap my head around that one. Is music intensely personal to INTJ's or something?

Fanowene
10-13-2009, 12:13 PM
He told me he was scared to share his music with me. I couldn't wrap my head around that one. Is music intensely personal to INTJ's or something?
A long while back I started a thread on that topic... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

SelfMadeBum
10-13-2009, 12:20 PM
If they make a thread on INTJf about you.

And it's in the Relationships and Dating section.

And it's entitled 'HELP!'

RdtheLiterature
10-13-2009, 09:08 PM
So if an INTJ tells me that ____ is his favorite song in the world and shares it with me,
I should assume I'm in huh?
He told me he was scared to share his music with me. I couldn't wrap my head around that one. Is music intensely personal to INTJ's or something?
Maybe, I Hate it when people complain about a song I like. Even if it's a stupid pop-song on the radio that everyone listens too.
I don't listen to music to get a laugh. I listen to music because of the emotion it moves in me and it's always serious and never lighthearted. Unless, the music brings up a memory from the past of some kind. So if somebody listens to a song that I like and then scoffs at its ridiculious sound, I find myself feeling unrationally stupid.
I used to put a lot of effort into not letting my friends listen to my burned CD's...

Amphorian
10-13-2009, 11:16 PM
So if an INTJ tells me that ____ is his favorite song in the world and shares it with me,
I should assume I'm in huh?
He told me he was scared to share his music with me. I couldn't wrap my head around that one. Is music intensely personal to INTJ's or something?

No. Depends on the person not MBTI type.

tinapay
10-14-2009, 10:04 AM
If they call you!

(He did.)

postem
10-14-2009, 12:56 PM
One time i did it and i regret. Shouldnt have tell it so quickly.

kazzamunga
10-14-2009, 02:49 PM
An INTJ might like you if:
...they're ignoring you on purpose.


Can this be the case? There is a guy i like and he has been cool and friendly and a fair amount of eye contact the last few times i've seen him, but i saw him today and he pointedly ignored me the whole time...it was disappointing, and difficult to decipher.

Tigey
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM
I agree! I HATE to pick up the phone if it isn't one of friends or someone I can at least tolerate.

Conkt
10-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Can this be the case? There is a guy i like and he has been cool and friendly and a fair amount of eye contact the last few times i've seen him, but i saw him today and he pointedly ignored me the whole time...it was disappointing, and difficult to decipher.

I generally avoid/ignore the people I like. I don't know why. It's a kind of shyness, I guess. I don't come off as shy, though, so it might be hard to notice.

Pezzi
10-14-2009, 09:02 PM
She buys a miniature chess set (and keeps it in her purse at all times, because, you know - just in case) because she knows you enjoy the game.

9 Guillotines
10-15-2009, 01:19 AM
Initiation of any eye contact. Though, be wary. This could also be a subtle way of analyzing such a simple soul. >_>

rufsketch1
10-15-2009, 01:54 AM
Force you to learn binary in return for skipping class the next day to hang out.

(Inside joke, 9 Guillotines gets it).

magdalena
10-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Lol, I agonized over this one INTJ's hot and cold situation towards me for over a year (because from observations, it's either he treat someone 'cold' all the way/'hot' all the way and so for him to treat me like this, I was all confused), to only realize that he used to like me. D: And to only think that it has always been him initiating conversations. *facepalm*

Oh, just a question, a few days ago, I tried talking to him (finally!) and I was in the middle of asking him what course he wanted to take after he graduate or something, when his friend interrupted and hurried him back to class. He closed the convo by saying something along the line of telling me his answer later, so is that an invitation for me to start another conversation or is it just so he doesn't have to tell me his answer because it is a personal question?

I agree calamity. I can't count how many times he will get interrupted by something-and..off he goes! Could be midsentence, could be in the middle of a heart to heart...
When I asked him about it, he said he is ADD and just "bounces" from one thing to another. But...when we're apart I really miss him. He doesn't seem to though...he'll just happily keep on bouncing all around. When we're back together things seem okay. But that cool independent indifference, not used to it!





magdalena added to this post, 3 minutes and 45 seconds later...

The particular INTJ I've been dating has evolved.

O
For a few months, the lack of conversational chemistry really bothered me, but it's slowly getting better.

He still stares at me, but now he talks. A lot.

The staring gets to me. He will just stare and look scared and say "Hi." with a sheepish grin. I never know what to make of those moments. Why does he keep saying "hi" like a broken record lol?

Unix
10-20-2009, 12:32 PM
This thread is great
Very nice to know that there are other people out there so similar to me o.o
Like so similar, it's kinda creepy

For me, if I like you, I will laugh (uncomfortably) around you, and smile a lot. I generally don't share information about myself until something of equal 'magnitude' has been shared by the other person. If I don't like you, you will get my normal 'zombie' look, and my responses will be short and abrupt if you ask questions.

cannotseethe
10-20-2009, 02:18 PM
The staring gets to me. He will just stare and look scared and say "Hi." with a sheepish grin. I never know what to make of those moments. Why does he keep saying "hi" like a broken record lol?

I do the staring thing at times; I'm better with it now than I was when I was younger. For me it's a sort of wide-eyed wonder, a "holy cow, I'm with this person." Be flattered.

Orangeyeshi
10-21-2009, 01:43 AM
When we want your attention
-You'll get stared at
-You'll be asked an impersonal (but practical) question
-You'll see us do something we think you'll like
When we have your attention and want affection
-You'll get a compliment
-You'll be asked your opinion about something
-You'll hear analysis
-You'll see us smile
-You'll see us be unsure
-You'll see sparatic eye contact.

anumericalevil
10-21-2009, 01:58 AM
Yes, anything and everything on this thread's list.... except to give in to illogicality in your argument!

perefalc
10-26-2009, 11:54 PM
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here we have a demonstration of some INTJ flirting techniques...

Reversed
10-29-2009, 12:40 PM
I'm looking to make a big list of all the weird little things an INTJ does to show they like you. I'm only looking for stuff that's kind of particular to INTJs though-- so, for example, offering to buy you a drink is not a particularly INTJ trait.

There can be contradictions in the list too-- INTJs are complex people.

I'll start. The format is this:
An INTJ might like you if:
...they're ignoring you on purpose.
...they're noticing your existance.
...they're being particularly nice towards you.
...they're being particularly mean to you.
...they criticize you a little too much.
...they interrupt their reading/writing/drawing/studying to talk to you.
...they pretend to be interested in the intellectually inferior interests you non-INTJ might have.
...they ask to do the Myers-Briggs test on you.
...they tell you you're probably an INTJ (a compliment of the highest order.)

very good list!

other inputs in this thread were also workable. ^^

what a fun idea.





Reversed added to this post, 1 minutes and 32 seconds later...

Wow, I'm trying to think of ways in which some girl may know I like her and I can't think of much. To me, they are obvious, but to her, they would not be.

Such as, me laughing more naturally around her than around a typical conversationalist. Me stopping what I'm doing and making myself available to her. Me inquiring about things she is interested in as opposed to keeping the conversation 1-sided. Me smiling anytime I see her, even if it's a small smile. Basically, in general, me "noticing" her anytime she is near. Slowing down to intentionally hold a door for her, etc. Seeing her in the break room and going out of my way to go get a snack, etc.

Of course, from her perspective, these would all be very ambiguous gestures. To me, they would be obvious. Damn...that's crazy. We really are hard to read I suppose.

I guess they really need to get you in order to be able to tell the differences. :)

Udon
10-31-2009, 08:26 AM
I certainly would do the flwg if I like someone ...

* If it is obvious they googled you
* if they get you a present
* if they analyze you with a questionaire or a personality test or a microscope
* if you can make them act in a manner uncharacteristic of an INTJ (e.g. they share their emotions with you)

The Psyentist
10-31-2009, 08:47 AM
An INTJ might like you if:
...they're ignoring you on purpose.
...they're noticing your existance.
...they're being particularly nice towards you.
...they're being particularly mean to you.
...they criticize you a little too much.
...they interrupt their reading/writing/drawing/studying to talk to you.
...they pretend to be interested in the intellectually inferior interests you non-INTJ might have.
...they ask to do the Myers-Briggs test on you.
...they tell you you're probably an INTJ (a compliment of the highest order.)

Hm...all this has happened to me (except maybe the first one and the non-INTJ one since I AM an INTJ). He is nice and mean to me, critical and complimentary, and we are constantly speaking of our superiority to non-narcissistic and non-INTJ people. But he has said that he is in love with someone else...so, he merely likes me as a fellow INTJ? (Also, different than some INTJs, he is very flirtatious.)

McNults
10-31-2009, 03:28 PM
Hm...all this has happened to me (except maybe the first one and the non-INTJ one since I AM an INTJ). He is nice and mean to me, critical and complimentary, and we are constantly speaking of our superiority to non-narcissistic and non-INTJ people. But he has said that he is in love with someone else...so, he merely likes me as a fellow INTJ? (Also, different than some INTJs, he is very flirtatious.)

I have found the same thing when dating another INTJ (only one true one to speak of). Its not about being nice/mean/critical/complimentary, its all about progression and improvement. I actually miss the freedom of just being able to act and to say... with her understanding.

cereza
10-31-2009, 04:19 PM
To get an INTJ female, you first have to get her to take you seriously as a human. Then, if she shows you signs of respect or admiration, get her to consider you a romantic interest.

Bahama Mama
11-03-2009, 06:39 PM
there is an intj that I am currently interested in, but I can't tell what hes thinking or feeling. we're not dating--we have a physically focused relationship. He's always so quiet and barley asks me anything. I have a hard time finding things to say to him because he seems like he has high standards, so im afraid of saying the "wrong" thing...so i feel like he thinks im stupid and doesnt want to talk to me...

but on the other hand he responds well when I am affectionate with him and i constantly feel like he's watching me. he makes fun of me, but in a much less mean way than the way he criticizes others around him. Does he like me and spending time with me or is it just only a physical thing?

Zsych
11-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Speak your mind and see what he says and does. Don't be offended if he tries to correct you (assuming he thinks you're wrong). He seems to like you. He might not yet be willing to fully accept the feeling himself.

Going purely by myself, if I like you, your saying something stupid won't really hurt my feelings for you.

S3raphymn
11-04-2009, 11:35 AM
Personally ...

If I like you, I spare you from the conclusions reached by my much more critical faculties that I apply to just about everything else (buffer zone ftw and probably more unhealthy in some ways). I'm also more protective, more outgoing, and have a tendency to initiate contact and conversations in ways I don't normally do so for other people.

I also have periods of insane emotional instability if terms aren't properly defined. If you inspire that feeling in me innately, I'm probably into you. I think. Maybe.

Fear works too.

catzmeow
11-04-2009, 01:02 PM
there is an intj that I am currently interested in, but I can't tell what hes thinking or feeling. we're not dating--we have a physically focused relationship. He's always so quiet and barley asks me anything. I have a hard time finding things to say to him because he seems like he has high standards, so im afraid of saying the "wrong" thing...so i feel like he thinks im stupid and doesnt want to talk to me...

but on the other hand he responds well when I am affectionate with him and i constantly feel like he's watching me. he makes fun of me, but in a much less mean way than the way he criticizes others around him. Does he like me and spending time with me or is it just only a physical thing?

My advice, especially with this personality type, is to ask. Just say what you're thinking. They can handle bluntness. In fact, bluntness seems to work better with INTJs and ENFPs both.

Say..."is this purely physical or is there something more to it?" I suspect you can trust him to be brutally honest with you.

Nil Desperandum
11-05-2009, 03:28 PM
1.) Making eye contact
2.) Show emotions around you
3.) Tells you about their life
4.) Answers the phone

SelfMadeBum
11-05-2009, 03:30 PM
My advice, especially with this personality type, is to ask. Just say what you're thinking. They can handle bluntness. In fact, bluntness seems to work better with INTJs and ENFPs both.

Say..."is this purely physical or is there something more to it?" I suspect you can trust him to be brutally honest with you.I would also say be careful... what they are thinking may not be what you want to hear, but you'll get it anyway.

castalia
11-10-2009, 03:48 PM
Would a male INTJ who trembles when you say nice things to him and can't sit next to you like you? How do two INTJs even form a relationship?

DuValK
11-10-2009, 04:58 PM
Would a male INTJ who trembles when you say nice things to him and can't sit next to you like you? How do two INTJs even form a relationship?



INTJ + INTJ can be a good pair, but since INTJs often ignore those around them, two INTJs can cross paths without even acknowledging eachother.

This may confuse you, but I'm an INTJ male, and I don't even respond when nice things are said to me, and I like to sit next to the person I'm interested in lol

SelfMadeBum
11-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Would a male INTJ who trembles when you say nice things to him and can't sit next to you like you? How do two INTJs even form a relationship?We are rare, but I know an inordinate number of INTJ males (I work in IT), though I know others outside of the field.

I would say I'm attracted to INTJ males first of all by the confidence projected. Being able to carry on a conversation about just about anything (not small talk) is also a big turn on. Add our wacky sense of humour and vast intelligence and I'm hooked.

The problem for INTJs in general seems to be starting the relationship. We suck at picking up cues, verbal and otherwise, and get trapped in our own heads so much, we often remain woefully unaware of what is going on, who is attracted to us, etc.

Once we pull our heads out of our butts, the next step is collecting information about each other, finding common interests and discussing them at length. Time spent together is of course the main goal here.

Once trust is gained and returned, both INTJs will open up to reveal parts of their respective inner worlds, which comes with a significant amount of vulnerability. The progression from there is basically natural, though it may take longer for it to cement.

I think both INTJ parties would know to respect each others' need for space and time alone, as well as maintain interests separate from their partner.

Coralaisly
11-10-2009, 06:14 PM
To get an INTJ female, you first have to get her to take you seriously as a human. Then, if she shows you signs of respect or admiration, get her to consider you a romantic interest.

I conqur. I have had a few friends who expressed interest in me, however they hadn't passed the "take me seriously as a human" threshhold, so at that point romanit interest was out of the questoin.

ConstableCuddle
11-12-2009, 06:26 AM
How to tell an INTJ loves you:

They trust you.

Antares
11-12-2009, 06:38 AM
If I smile around you, if I lose my usually stiff demeanor around you, if I debate you (I don't even bother debating those I don't respect; if we disagree, I just let it slide, because I'm not interested in what those people think), if I act like a child around you, if I tell you pretty personal details, if I stick around even when we're not talking, and not immerse myself in something else. None of these are tell-tale signs, however, as I tend to act like that around my friends as well; I don't give tell-tale signs of romantic interest, but it should be pretty obvious that I respect you immensely at that point, and for me, respect always comes before genuine attraction.

Lil
11-12-2009, 06:42 AM
we're not dating--we have a physically focused relationship

I'm an Old Person so I don't know what this means. Please explain. Does it mean you're having sex but you don't go out to eat or to the movies, etc.?

catzmeow
11-12-2009, 07:55 AM
I'm an Old Person so I don't know what this means. Please explain. Does it mean you're having sex but you don't go out to eat or to the movies, etc.?

I think this is actually a Bahama-Mama quote. She would have to explain. Though, I suspect it is "friends with benefits," or FWB. People who have sex, but don't date romantically.

Personally, I've never been able to manage this, because I have zero desire to have sex without emotional connection and intimacy.

Lil
11-12-2009, 10:15 AM
I had an ongoing sexual R with someone I was not in love with but we really really liked each other and went out to eat and to the movies and to Borders and stuff. We just spent most of our time together in bed because that's where we had the MOST fun.

I don't have to be in love with someone, but I have to like and respect them and enjoy their company, etc.

I guess the word "dating" implies a future together?

Shorgenfunkel
11-13-2009, 04:39 PM
If he becomes an SP around you.

trekie4ever
11-14-2009, 10:38 AM
If they run after you and ask you when you'll be back at the chapel to listen to you play the piano and when you finally do meet up again, just sits, quiet, for HOURS, falling asleep cause INTJ's NEVER sleep and ALWAYS have something to say.

kaith
12-18-2009, 06:44 AM
Need some help from fellow INTJs here!
In liking someonw, do you guys get excited and then uninterested easily? I'm confused about this INTJ guy who seem to have build the momentum for quite some time, who showed a lot of effort and then he just stopped. Things were going well, I don't know why he suddenly withdraw as if we have no emotional connection at all. Then I found out he is very into this other girl.

Do INTJ guys have the tendency to notify everyone about her existence and how great she is when they are in love or do they prefer to keep everything unknown until he's fully sure?

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Need some help from fellow INTJs here!
In liking someonw, do you guys get excited and then uninterested easily? I'm confused about this INTJ guy who seem to have build the momentum for quite some time, who showed a lot of effort and then he just stopped. Things were going well, I don't know why he suddenly withdraw as if we have no emotional connection at all. Then I found out he is very into this other girl.

Do INTJ guys have the tendency to notify everyone about her existence and how great she is when they are in love or do they prefer to keep everything unknown until he's fully sure?

awordforthat
12-19-2009, 11:07 PM
If admit to any strong emotion around you, not only am I in love with you, we've probably been dating so long we've moved in together. If I *show* strong emotion around you, we'd better be married.

Scrooge
12-20-2009, 10:56 AM
-If they run away from you.
-If they seek you out to talk to you. (I know this contradicts the above comment, but we INTJs are nothing if not enigmatic).
-If you catch them staring at you when you aren't looking.
-If it's clear they did research on you (trust me, we INTJs don't waste our time looking up dirt on the other party unless we WANT to know).

Cambium29
12-29-2009, 10:12 PM
I would have to be in love with somebody to answer the phone. And by "answer the phone," I mean "consider how telephones and mass communication affected both the speed of news and the increase of sohisticated in espionage in the two world wars while sitting quietly, ignoring the ringing phone."

Hehehe... I only got a cell phone so I could ignore people on two fronts.

Yes, I agree. If they answer the phone you're probably in the clear. For now. Hell, if they answer the door when you show up without an advance appointment, you might as well buy a ring because they are totally into you.

madpinkyfox
12-30-2009, 05:39 PM
I'm aware I didn't write any of this, but for validation reasons, I'll state that everything written below, in my experience, is true.


If they answer the phone.
..if you catch them staring at you with an intense frown... all the time.
...if they suddenly can't look at you at all while actually speaking to you, despite the staring.
...if they constantly crack jokes around you, many of which you are the butt of.
...if they seem to know stuff about you that you didn't tell them yourself.
...if they actually physically touch you
...they're ignoring you on purpose.
..they're noticing your existance.
...they interrupt their reading/writing/drawing/studying to talk to you.
...they pretend to be interested in the intellectually inferior interests you non-INTJ might have.
...they ask to do the Myers-Briggs test on you.
...they tell you you're probably an INTJ (a compliment of the highest order.)
Circling, staring. Social effort, personal attention.

Video diagram:
0:05-0:37; INTJ, not interested.
1:30-2:07; INTJ, interested.

And, speaking for myself, uncanny recall. Almost any detail, however small, mentioned in passing, long ago, goes into the permanent memory file.
- She stares at you whenever you are talking to her; stares at you whenever she has the chance. No, she's not giving you dirty looks or a death glare.
- She seems to be ignoring you. However, she's listening to everything you're saying, with heightened interest.
- Says "hi" to you...and goodbye.
- Is quiet around you.

- WILL NEVER EVER CALL YOU, out of fear. Yep. This goes hand in hand with the talking thing.
- Ridicules you in a sarcastic manner, yet gives you a handful of compliments for your ideas and "genius" a few minutes later.
- Tells all her friends how much of a prick, egomaniac and self-centered fool you are. When in fact she's oddly attracted to those qualities.
- Laughs at your jokes and sense of humor out of pity. Just because.
INTJ likes you a lot: INTJ ignores you. INTJ thinks about you often. INTJ stalks you, wondering if you're noticing. INTJ is scared.
I am a flirting retard as well. In my mind, because I'm taking time to talk to the man with more than one word responses, it's flirting. To everyone else, I'm holding an everyday conversation.

-They do not seem annoyed when you speak to them while they are having "Alone time"
-You suspect they like you.
-They magically sit near you during long road trips. Funny how that works.
-You think they are giving you rude glares whenever they look at you.

Waffle
12-30-2009, 06:20 PM
^
The calling thing isn't entirely true. I once called the girl I liked to ask her to give me a copy of a chemistry assignment over the summer that I had actually lost. I could have asked a few other people for it much more easily, but...

It's weird, because I always assumed she had a boyfriend. It was only much later that I figured out she didn't.

dontmesswithme
12-30-2009, 09:22 PM
What course of action is the best one to take when you suspect an INTJ likes you, and you really like them too?

Agnos007
12-30-2009, 09:33 PM
What course of action is the best one to take when you suspect an INTJ likes you, and you really like them too?

be straightfoward with them..

we often have a hard time seeing the obvious in these types of situations

hope 10
01-02-2010, 02:22 PM
I just joined your forum though I've been following it for quite a while in an attempt to figure out my INTJ friend. We are colleagues at work and in the last few years, our relationship seems to have evolved into something more. He seeks me out often for both personal advice and for work-related issues. He has revealed a lot of personal stuff about himself to me. We share a lot of "inside" jokes and humor, lots of e-mails and sometimes when time permits, hour-long private conversations. From what I've read here, he wouldn't bother if he wasn't at least somewhat interested. Is that a fair read of the situation?

Cooper
01-02-2010, 04:14 PM
I just joined your forum though I've been following it for quite a while in an attempt to figure out my INTJ friend. We are colleagues at work and in the last few years, our relationship seems to have evolved into something more. He seeks me out often for both personal advice and for work-related issues. He has revealed a lot of personal stuff about himself to me. We share a lot of "inside" jokes and humor, lots of e-mails and sometimes when time permits, hour-long private conversations. From what I've read here, he wouldn't bother if he wasn't at least somewhat interested. Is that a fair read of the situation?

At least for me (all I speak for), I wouldn't bother with any of that if I wasn't interested....

Allen3373
01-02-2010, 04:40 PM
At least for me (all I speak for), I wouldn't bother with any of that if I wasn't interested....

hmmm.. Well, I would say that there are women that I am friends with who are very attractive, have nice qualities, and I would consider to be intellectually my equal. At one point I may have been interested in them in a romantic way for a short time.

We now have all of what hope 10 described, but I am not currently romantically interested in them.

I guess that's a long way to say, if it's been quite a while that you have had this sort a relationship, it could be that you're just a friend. But there is always the possibility he hasn't ever had the courage to make a move.

callalilly
01-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Staring -Check
Stalker mode/ fbi-check
Touching-check
Avoiding arguments with you- check.
remembering everything you said-check
Finding out everything about you-check
Half wants to date you/ half don't, throwing you off to friend we don't really have -check, check, check, lol haha

hope 10
01-02-2010, 06:05 PM
Thanks cooper and Allen 3373 for your responses -- taken together, they suggest some ambiguity, though I can check off a few things on callalilly's list (touching, avoiding arguments (and actually apologizing if he thinks he has offended me), remembering details of conversations/e-mails) things I would like to think makes us more than just friends but my assessment is probably not objective enough -- which is why I came here for feedback.

leo guillermo
01-03-2010, 11:34 PM
when they are talking to you, grab their hands - if clammy/sweaty/shaking slightly/high pulse, bingo. if not, well...they still might like you just are more calm than others. specifically me :/

Realcoolchick
01-04-2010, 05:02 AM
...if they stare at you, but avoid eye contact
...it they clam up
...if they hold their breath, turn blue and run away
...if they blab awkwardly then run away
...it they hide from you
...if they ignore you
...if they stalk you

Or, is that just me? LOL

chemicalzombie
01-04-2010, 11:44 AM
Hehehe... I only got a cell phone so I could ignore people on two fronts.

Yes, I agree. If they answer the phone you're probably in the clear. For now. Hell, if they answer the door when you show up without an advance appointment, you might as well buy a ring because they are totally into you.

The door thing made me laugh because I have experience with that one. and now it is funny story time about an immature INTJ courtship with a guy from high school. So it all started when in 9th grade english class, I was talking to a guy and we discovered that we lived in the same neighborhood. Also during this conversation we discovered our love for animals. To make a long story short, he decides that it would be a good idea to show up unannounced. Needless to say I did not want to open the door. lol. So I am living proof that this is true.

To get back on topic:

if INTJ looks at you from across the room and stares
if we jump when you approach.
general uneasiness in your presence

hope 10
01-08-2010, 05:01 PM
I hope you all don't mind if I throw out a couple of addiional scenariios with my INTJ friend to get your opinion. For example, what if an INTJ is a voracious reader of fiction and they recommend their favorite books to you to read, which usually leads to a very lively literary discussion? Or how about a situation where the INTJ believes they have offended you in some way and they apologize once, then twice in person and then again twice via e-mail even though you have assured them that there was never an offense? And is it significant that in a conversation with a group, the INTJ physically positions their body toward you during the discussion and appears to address their remarks primarily to you? Or how about direct, unflinching eye contact during a one-on-one conversation?

Cooper
01-08-2010, 05:19 PM
I hope you all don't mind if I throw out a couple of addiional scenariios with my INTJ friend to get your opinion. For example, what if an INTJ is a voracious reader of fiction and they recommend their favorite books to you to read, which usually leads to a very lively literary discussion? Or how about a situation where the INTJ believes they have offended you in some way and they apologize once, then twice in person and then again twice via e-mail even though you have assured them that there was never an offense? And is it significant that in a conversation with a group, the INTJ physically positions their body toward you during the discussion and appears to address their remarks primarily to you? Or how about direct, unflinching eye contact during a one-on-one conversation?

That INTJ appears to have to bad for you....and I use "appears" loosely

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Hope 10....I reread your post. Do I know you??? :disguise:

hope 10
01-08-2010, 05:41 PM
Not likely Cooper.

Cooper
01-08-2010, 07:25 PM
Ah, good...if you are female and did, I could be in big trouble.....

Other ways to tell an INTJ likes you:

* they have a hard time ending the conversation
* they answer your e-mails within minutes
* they ask you a lot of questions to keep you talking
* their snear is replaced by a real smile
* they explain something to you more then once

Billy Cox
01-08-2010, 08:10 PM
what if an INTJ is a voracious reader of fiction and they recommend their favorite books to you to read, which usually leads to a very lively literary discussion?

It means that I both like you as a person and respect your mind. I want to share something that means a great deal to me personally. It does not necessarily mean anything more than that, but very well can. Ambiguity is such a bitch, isn't it?

lioness
01-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Of course, from her perspective, these would all be very ambiguous gestures. To me, they would be obvious. Damn...that's crazy. We really are hard to read I suppose.

YES! You are very, very hard to read and this is all very frustrating because you are all very interesting.

Hurricane ENFP
01-10-2010, 12:54 PM
They call you and read to you when you are sad...

leandropls
01-12-2010, 08:08 AM
Suddenly I feel so normal reading this thread, lol.

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...he carries pictures of you on his iPod or equivalent :-)

I saw a lot of stalking on the posts. Do you all agree on stalking (in it's various forms) as a sign?

Cooper
01-12-2010, 10:42 AM
Stalking is uncontrolable for us.....the more we stalk, the more we like. No bloody wonder we are thought of as wierd.

plotthickens
01-12-2010, 03:13 PM
INTJs do research on things we are interested in. It's unfortunate that in relationships it's called 'stalking'.


The Interested INTJ will initiate conversation to prove they have done research on a field previously mentioned.
The Interested INTJ will quiety coach you through difficult situations if necessary.
The II will, in later months or years, explain their thinking behind that weird behaviour or conversation. And it will suddenly make perfect sense. So will the fact that they hadn't explained it earlier.
The II will occasionally stalk and pounce phsyically upon their object of adoration.

Onigumo13
01-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Intj likes you when :

1.They are stalking you .
2.When they observe every move that you are doing , and they watch at you all the time, waiting while you will talk to them ,because we are to proud to say such silly words like " You are cute , I like you , Lets go out on a date , I think I L*** you - well actually after the last phrase we could actually suffer from the heartbreak or a heart attack , and than everything would go dark." .
3. Oh and yes we would talk to you but we would rather discuss things that concern us more than you , like lets say a " GLOBAL WORLD DOMINATION FROM A-Z ". :)

Lucius
01-12-2010, 04:06 PM
I just joined your forum though I've been following it for quite a while in an attempt to figure out my INTJ friend. We are colleagues at work and in the last few years, our relationship seems to have evolved into something more. He seeks me out often for both personal advice and for work-related issues. He has revealed a lot of personal stuff about himself to me. We share a lot of "inside" jokes and humor, lots of e-mails and sometimes when time permits, hour-long private conversations. From what I've read here, he wouldn't bother if he wasn't at least somewhat interested. Is that a fair read of the situation?

one thing's for sure; we wont bother to ask you for advice or even notice you unless:
1. you're proven to be at least equally intelligent
2. we're interested in your opinions

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anyways, here's more, or at least, personally

1. checking out the physical figures of the person (both live and picture)
2. noticing every detail about some significant(or insignificant) change of the person
3. apologize (many times repeated) instead of saying "I'm sorry for being honest" (which is what i usually say)
4. trying to stir up conversation with you, even though i usually don't know how to small talk once its been stirred..... seems like i ask her a question, she replies, conversation ended... (i need to work on this.....)
5. being actually able to have physical contact with the person (it took me a while)
6. not criticizing the person for their flaws and actually comfort them when they're in a bad mood
7. being unable to tell you they like you... even though their every action shows it..

Geminii
01-14-2010, 05:36 AM
- You ask them out, or to a party or event, and they hesitate and have to actively consider their answer.
- They say it's OK for you to hang out in their vicinity.
- If they say it's OK for you to use their stuff however you want, even if you patently have no idea how, they're SMITTEN. Doubly so if they then offer to teach you.

Antares
01-14-2010, 05:51 AM
So today he turned to me, and half-whispered my name from afar with a wink. I turned around, gave him a full smile, and greeted him all too cheerfully from across the room. In front of everyone (which is completely out of character). Later, whenever he was near and talking to me, I studiously stared at my own paper. Then my mom would catch me smiling at the thought of him. I've been reduced to a pile of candy hearts.

Edit: Alright. I'll own up. I also tend to be more personal as well. There was this IxTJ who's gained my respect (and not a lot of people has my respect, mind you). Knowing that he's taken some sort of temperament test (for our school's career tests; the test was horrible), I casually asked him straight out what he got. His answer only confirmed my suspicion that he was an IxTJ of some sort. It's not that I'm romantically interested in him. Our interaction didn't reach the stage that I'd let go of all of my reservations without thinking, but I can definitely see myself with someone like him.

Both of us are introvert thinkers, so we tend to be a little steely towards each other (and everyone else), but there has been times when we joked around and broke the ice. I have a feeling that if I were to go for him, it'd take a lot of effort, but it'd be the same if it was the other way around. I think I may be frustrating the aforementioned ESTP. I tend to treat him rather coolly by common standards, because there's not a lot of effort on my part, and I don't tend to react to anything too strongly. Whatever he tries, I internalize, in my typical Fi fashion.

Synapse
01-14-2010, 06:02 AM
For me, it's avoidance and those subtle signals, like the above poster and her being winked at (I always smile instead, but same difference). It's funny, as I'll never be around a girl more, I'll be near them in order for them to notice my interest, but I'll never fully almost "interfere" with their life for them to notice. :D

MassHysteria
01-14-2010, 06:24 AM
They may inadvertently compliment you by favorably comparing you to someone they dislike.

They are respectful of the things you feel strongly about, even the things they believe to be ridiculous.

They allow you to see the surprisingly warm, glowy, nougatty center of their cold, stony hearts.

They share their Legos.

Lumbering Jack
01-14-2010, 09:27 AM
I'm at the (apparent) tail end of an relationship breakdown, and I sorely wish I saw this thread about a month ago. She might actually understand my abundance of weirdness and mixed signals if she saw this.
Dammit.

Syntax
01-14-2010, 07:56 PM
I bake things for people I like. Or I reorganize their refrigerator.





...a lot of the things I'm reading in this thread are things that I do when I want someone to think I like them, but not necessarily if I actually like them. And I'll record facts about people regardless; If a chick casually mentions something about her cycle, that info goes on the calendar as soon as I get home. I had an awkward moment with a friend concerning that once:

"Kyle, I think I might be pregnant"
-"No. You're not due until tomorrow."
"..."


the next day:

"Yeah you were right."

ya lyublyu tebya
01-14-2010, 11:56 PM
Definitely agreeing about the stalking. Glad I'm not the only one with those creepy tendencies. If they seem to show up everywhere, they either really, really like you or are plotting your demise. It should be easy to figure out which through facial expressions and body language.

Other than that:
-pouncing on you (either literally or metaphorically) the moment they see you
-swearing to always protect you (violent means optional)
-definitely also agreeing about the not flinching when touched, unless it's involuntary, in which case not lurching away when touched
-actually touching first is probably almost a marriage proposal
-thanking them for spending time with/putting up with you

Antares
01-15-2010, 12:57 AM
Definitely agreeing about the stalking. Glad I'm not the only one with those creepy tendencies. If they seem to show up everywhere, they either really, really like you or are plotting your demise. It should be easy to figure out which through facial expressions and body language.

Other than that:
-pouncing on you (either literally or metaphorically) the moment they see you
-swearing to always protect you (violent means optional)
-definitely also agreeing about the not flinching when touched, unless it's involuntary, in which case not lurching away when touched
-actually touching first is probably almost a marriage proposal
-thanking them for spending time with/putting up with you

I'm deathly afraid of being caught stalking, even by myself. To me, that means I'm too infatuated for my own good. In fact, I'd be afraid of showing up "everywhere".

Cooper
01-15-2010, 03:02 AM
I don't do that kind of stalking, I just try to find out as much as I can other ways.

Lilex
01-16-2010, 10:46 AM
An INTJ likes you if you see them bump into solid objects either: more frequently, or less frequently when they are around you.

I totally remember the person I am thinking of used to do this around me.

But mainly he totally ignored me...though we had the same circle of friends he left me out of social functions but he really freaked out when any of "his" friends talked to me.

There was a lot of other weird stuff but that's all long in the past now.

urglefloggah
01-16-2010, 12:06 PM
This is possibly the most amazing thread I have ever read. Reading all this makes me realize the absurdity, at least from the normal social perspective, of INTJ flirtation. Too bad none of the rest of the world will understand...

If (s)he:
Avoids you at some times, but seems unusually personable at others (the INTJ is trying to find the best opportunity).
A self-controlled and commanding INTJ becomes either stone-face and absolutely impassive around you, or becomes awkward and unsure.
Actually attempts small talk...
Attempts to casually discover your entire daily schedule so as to increase the likelihood of "chance" encounters.

Not visible, but true for EVERY INTJ I know:
Mentally role-plays the various ways scenarios can play out, and plans for nearly every exigency. Hundreds upon hundreds of times.
Actually asks others for advice.


What we need to do is promulgate the doctrine of INTJ love-signals! In true INTJ manner, instead of us changing our manner, we must make the world conform to our ideal. I'll print some pamphlets.

Antares
01-16-2010, 11:42 PM
If (s)he:
Avoids you at some times, but seems unusually personable at others (the INTJ is trying to find the best opportunity).

This is so true. If the timing's not right, I can't even look at someone I'm interested in, but I've done pretty out of character things, like being very personable and even flirtatious at times.

A self-controlled and commanding INTJ becomes either stone-face and absolutely impassive around you, or becomes awkward and unsure.

I always become tongue-tied. I want to sound witty, but my mental fretting over my delivery of those punch lines interferes with my actual delivery, resulting in a half cooked, slobbish joke that no sane man would find funny.


Mentally role-plays the various ways scenarios can play out, and plans for nearly every exigency. Hundreds upon hundreds of times.
Actually asks others for advice.

This seems to be what I do all the time. And when I see him, I'd mentally smack myself while I try to put those various conjectures out of my mind, and remind myself that this is the real world, not something I concocted at 1 in the morning, trying not to fall asleep on my homework. And then I'd ask people about the behavior of ESTPs. Excessively. The ESTPs I meet online seems to think there might be a chance, but I just keep asking.

Lumbering Jack
01-19-2010, 03:36 AM
I find that this song, by The Police, basically encapsulates all the feelings that wash over me when I like someone.

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(Pardon the video itself and just listen.)

Lil
01-19-2010, 05:50 AM
Jack, I couldn't understand the lyrics, so here they are. Very illuminating!

Written by Stewart Copeland

I change my clothes ten times
Before I take you on a date
I'm in a cold sweat, my panic it makes me late
I know you never entered for this
I know
My shots will always miss
My shots will always miss

Does everyone stare this way at you?
I only look this way at you

I change my clothes ten times
Before I take you on a date
I get the heebie-jeebies, and my panic makes me late
I break into a cold sweat reaching for the phone
I let it ring twice before
I chicken out and decide you're not at home

Does everyone stare the way I do?
I only stare this way at you

I never noticed the size of my feet
'Til I kicked you in the shins
Will you ever forgive me for the shape I'm in
For the shape I'm in

Does everyone stare the way I do?
I only stare this way at you

I'm gonna write you a sonnet but I don't know where to start
I'm so used to laughing at the things in my heart
Last of all I'm sorry 'cos you never asked for this
I can see I'm not your type and my shots will always miss, always miss

Does everyone stare the way I do?
I only stare this way at you
etc.,
etc.

rusty
01-20-2010, 01:25 AM
They share their Legos.

That's not a sign of merely liking somebody; that's complete and utter adoration, verging on worship!

Silverlocks
01-20-2010, 01:54 PM
3) "Dumbifies" intellectual concepts for you.

I would never do that because I would never like someone if I had to do that.


When I like someone I'm usually overly open about it. I'll tell in the next situation I'm with her that I'm interested in her, and want to engage in a relationship. No courtship, but I'm usually overly romantic already, so it's not something negative. I just can't really stand all the standard procedures, and I'm usually attracted to people who can't either, so it works.

That's obviously only when I feel I'm ready to have something. My behavior towards people I'm starting to like is that I'm overly friendly to them, will usually call them more than usual, try to ask her friends about her, and make sure that I'll only tell I'm interested in her if I have a 95%+ chance of being successful, because I don't really like being rejected :P