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Undead Bonzi
04-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Just wanted to know if any of you have heard of this movement. I just learned about it from the radio today as they were announcing the protests the group has planned in several cities on April 11th.

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Our plan: Real structural change of Wall Street
DECENTRALIZE: Any bank that's "too big to fail" means that it's too big for a free market to function. The financial corporations that caused this mess must be broken up and sold back to the private market with strong, new regulatory and antitrust rules in place -- new banks, managed by new people. An independent regulatory body must protect consumers from predatory practices

Personally I'm not sure if I'm on board with their message but I do find it interesting that things have progressed far enough that parts of the typically docile American people are actually going to start taking widespread action.

Your thoughts on this groups goals/stance?

Your thoughts on what these protests might indicate for the American political scene in the next three months?

Is there a danger of these protests spinning out of control?

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RBM
04-10-2009, 12:12 PM
Zephyr Teachout is familiar to me. See wiki. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

I'll keep digging, but initial impression - this is a movement by internet technologists (IT)

Zephyr Rain Teachout is a visiting assistant law professor at Duke University. She directed Internet organizing for Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. The daughter of Peter Teachout, constitutional law professor at Vermont Law School, and the Hon. Mary Miles Teachout, a judge on Vermont's Superior Court, Zephyr is a graduate of Yale University and Duke Law School, where she was the editor-in-chief of the Duke Law Journal. She also holds a master's degree in political science.

She co-founded and was the executive director of the Fair Trial Initiative, which supports attorneys working on death penalty cases. She was the founder and executive director of Baobabs College Labs, a project of Music for America.

After the Dean campaign, she worked at America Coming Together and Current TV and was a fellow at the Berkman Center.

She is a leading advocate of using the Internet for to create local offline groups with political power. Her writings include America Offline, an Open Letter to the DNC [1] Come Together, Right Now: The Unlit Fuse [2], CB's, Meetups and Virtual Volunteers [3], and Constitutional Limits on the Extraterritorial Reach of the Offenses Clause [4].

The IT''s I regularly read are Dave Winer ( past Berkman), Doc Sears (present Berkman).

This is the internet used as instrument of change. It could have legs ( to borrow a journalist's phrase).

By it's definition this is already out of control from the POV who wish to maintain control.

Good Catch Undead !

From the site:

We started this project when The Baseline Scenario clearly laid out an exit strategy for this economic crisis with the public interest in mind. They made a clear case that structural change was possible and worthwhile for our economic and public well-being.

I suspect the " The Baseline Scenario" is the ex-IMF Simon Johnson site - haven't confirmed yet, but this looks to be a VERY HIGH LEVLEL org.

Confirm:

Sponsors and Elder Counselors

-Simon Johnson, Former IMF Chief Economist, Baseline Scenario
-Chris Hayes, Washington Editor, The Nation
-David Sirota, Syndicated Columnist, Author
-Joe Trippi, Change Congress, co-founder
-Zephyr Teachout, Visiting Assistant Professor of Duke University, Dean Campaign
-Joe Costello, Energy, Communications, and Political Economy
-William Greider, "Come Home, America", National Correspondent, The Nation
-Yves Smith, Economist, Naked Capitalism

reb
04-10-2009, 12:38 PM
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enjoy...not the 'old Who', but a fair approximation...and Townshend now has a Strat! holy moly...the times, they are a'changin'!

the sentiment of 'anewwayforward' is an old theme. i'm waiting, as i do with many things. this current situation appears to be anarchy which will lead to a dictatorship. the corporations have the monetary power; they have the best 'politicians' that money can buy. ergo, they also have de facto control of the military. technology nowadays is a far cry from the last 'revolution'...and the attempt at secession was crushed, and that 'logic' has been built upon steadily.

interesting process to watch...so many factors. someone on bloomberg termed our current government 'much like a banana republic' with this fiscal policy...and WE get the banana. note, the bloomberg interviewee likely has some axe to grind.

RBM
04-10-2009, 12:52 PM
@ reb

Re: Axe to grind

A New Way is connected somehow to the Democracy Now org, I just learned.

I checked and Lincoln NE had 29 signees for tomorrow - and I'm very hesitant to partake given the red state/redneck state NE is.

Will keep a close eye myself :-)

On the OP link there is a Bill Moyers/William Greider interview that explains a bit of history from Greider's POV

Undead Bonzi
04-10-2009, 01:46 PM
@ reb

Re: Axe to grind

A New Way is connected somehow to the Democracy Now org, I just learned.

I checked and Lincoln NE had 29 signees for tomorrow - and I'm very hesitant to partake given the red state/redneck state NE is.

Will keep a close eye myself :-)

Yeah, I was surprised to note that Lincoln was even on the list. I wish the protests would have been today so that I could have strolled by the Capitol Building to see what was going down. I don't really expect this movement to have much momentum in the Midwest as of yet due to the fact that we have been fairly insulated from the worst of the negative effects of the downturn. (Was talking to my mother about this yesterday and she noted that the problems were likely to really hit us fall of this year as crop and livestock prices were strong last year but are looking to be sub par this year).

On the flip side I would guess that in the bigger cities on the east and west cost there will be much more momentum from the laid off or the foreclosed. On the whole this little movement took me a bit by surprise, I was not expecting to see things like this gain steam until later this year.

RBM
04-12-2009, 10:28 AM
I'm getting a good vibe on these developments and this effort.

Zephyr Rain Teachout (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is a visiting assistant law professor at Duke University. She directed Internet organizing for Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. The daughter of Peter Teachout, constitutional law professor at Vermont Law School, and the Hon. Mary Miles Teachout, a judge on Vermont's Superior Court, Zephyr is a graduate of Yale University and Duke Law School, where she was the editor-in-chief of the Duke Law Journal. She also holds a master's degree in political science.

From Ed Cone's personal blogA New Way Forward (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.):

After the jump, some thoughts from Zephyr Teachout on what the group wants to do, and where it goes from here: "We want to help translate people's real, and intelligently held, views about the economic crisis into legislation; that's not an easy task, but its clear that in this crisis, the existing channels aren't doing that translation."

Some questions asked and answered:

How did the organization come into being? How did the idea spread?

What are the goals of the group?

How will the rallies advance these goals?

What comes next? How does this fit into the political process?

I have yet to find anything I could conceptually argue with.

I expect the media slime machine to start up Monday. The core participants of this movement are of the internet technologists. They will fully engage the slime machine, I suspect.

I am truthfully hoping this to be a start to a US Velvet Revolution. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Pandemonium
04-12-2009, 03:38 PM
Their goals include regulating the banks and preventing banking oligopolies.

"The notion of a bank being to big to fail is another representation of a bank too big for the free market."


Many national and international banks own the U.S. Federal Reserve. To think that banks that own the Federal Reserve are failing due to lack of liquid capital is ridiculous. The U.S. Federal Reserve is the biggest cash cow in all of history. Something extremely bizarre when mass amounts of people can mismanage the shear profits from the Reserve. :P

RBM
04-12-2009, 08:15 PM
Their goals include regulating the banks and preventing banking oligopolies.

"The notion of a bank being to big to fail is another representation of a bank too big for the free market."


Many national and international banks own the U.S. Federal Reserve. To think that banks that own the Federal Reserve are failing due to lack of liquid capital is ridiculous. The U.S. Federal Reserve is the biggest cash cow in all of history. Something extremely bizarre when mass amounts of people can mismanage the shear profits from the Reserve. :P

My optimistic side is hopping for massive grassroots participation - which will then lead to the next target - the FDIC ;-)

Pandemonium
04-13-2009, 06:56 PM
My optimistic side is hopping for massive grassroots participation - which will then lead to the next target - the FDIC ;-)

I am involved in a technological grass roots movement for ecologically/environmentally (both social and physical) sustainable societies.

I am currently involved in designing affordable small electricity generation units. My current design is a mix between a solar thermal unit and hydrogen fuel cell. The fuel cell is quite difficult to design with cheap materials but I am hoping to get the whole unit running for less than $400. Patenting is seemingly a problem also. I am trying to achieve somewhat like an open source patent. My project is four months from completion and it is going to be a while before a post it online due to the patenting issues.

I tend to stay away from political grass roots movements. They tend to get beaten by "police rioters." Yes, I did say "Police rioters" because they are the ones that seem to do the rioting.

This documentary says it all:

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RBM
04-13-2009, 07:13 PM
@ Pandemonium

LOL ! I don't need a video to know what a Police Rioter is !

Good Luck on your project. I keep an eye on the free energy, zero point energy and over unity developments so I hope you achieve your goal. To be honest though, any thing hydrogen probably won't scale, but shucks, we need silver bb's, too.

reb
04-13-2009, 07:38 PM
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i have had hope for this to come to mass market fruition for some time. bet it's old news, but i like it, nonetheless.

the other thing that needs a velvet revolution, though, is 'homo sapiens'' thinking about 'why do we have an earth problem?'. i have seen very little attention devoted towards 'what part are we playing?'. we've blamed everything but our own reproduction...

dogwoodlover
04-13-2009, 08:24 PM
If we're lucky they'll start shooting cops.

TemperateSloth
04-24-2009, 11:47 PM
Zephyr Teachout is familiar to me. See

I'll keep digging, but initial impression - this is a movement by internet technologists (IT)



The IT''s I regularly read are Dave Winer ( past Berkman), Doc Sears (present Berkman).

This is the internet used as instrument of change. It could have legs ( to borrow a journalist's phrase).

By it's definition this is already out of control from the POV who wish to maintain control.

Good Catch Undead !...Wow! I've not read scripting.com for quite a long while now. Used to read it on a daily basis. You probably already know this fellow, since you already read Winer and Searls, but just in case you don't, place "Laurence Lessig Blog" in your Favorite search engine. My apologies, but this is only my second post here, so I don't think I can embed a URL in a post until after this post is submitted.

RBM
04-25-2009, 10:43 AM
@ TemperateSloth

Yeah, I look in on Lessig occasionally, most recently regarding his 'Remix' efforts. Reading him and the others keeps my inner geek happy.