Illuminati

[Daimai]

What do you think? Does Illuminati still exist? Do they plan to take over this world? What is your opinion?

I personally think that Illuminati doesn't exist and there are just some silly people who are coing up with Illuminati theories from nothing.

[DanteFalling]

I knew many groups who followed the "Illuminati" closely. Even if there was a group, I doubt they'd call themselves by that title. Although, I do believe there are movements in the world, and there are always people trying to gain control/power/money.

[dogwoodlover]

What do you think? Does Illuminati still exist? Do they plan to take over this world? What is your opinion?


If by "Illuminati" you mean a small group of people who are loosely tied to one another and have massive amounts of wealth, power and privilege, and are collectively capable of initiating and orchestrating events of global significance, then yes.

It is a fact that very tiny portions of the population in most (if not all) countries control the vast majority of economic, political and social power.

[LaoTzu]

It exists in the above mentioned ways. Nothing more.

I think the term 'Illuminati' and similar myths are just to make people with legitimate concerns about the power of concentrated wealth appear foolish. There's no cloak and dagger stuff going on... it's quite out in the open.

[eternaltriangle]

I am in the Illuminati. Its pretty cool. We hang out, go bowling on league night, engineer sub-prime mortgage collapses - that sort of thing.

[jesse]

Illuminatiesque groups and cliques probably do exist in every region and country. Hard to tell if they are loosely grouped or many sides of the very same prism. Over the years some of the more typical exaples I keep encountering and hearing are international bankers/financiers, free masons, religious leaders and political leaders.

If anything, this is all a perpetual mafia power game where every front fights one another for just that much more power and influence. Illuminati in my eyes is a romanticized enemy which can be blamed for evils which cannot be readily proven; a mythic enigma.

[Hanfgeist]

What do you think? Does Illuminati still exist? Do they plan to take over this world? What is your opinion?

I personally think that Illuminati doesn't exist and there are just some silly people who are coing up with Illuminati theories from nothing.

They prefer to call themselves 'The Moriah Conquering Wind' ........


which I think comes from freemasonry, as Solomon's temple was built on Mt. Moriah. The Templar knights are alleged to have found something very valuable indeed in the mines under mount Moriah which allowed them to control the world banking system at that time before the king of France decided to whack them and take over the operation. Allegedly the treasure was spirited out of paris and onto a ship at La Rochelle where it was taken to Roslyn in Scotland (a country which is steeped in Freemasonry).

You might also ask the question as to why Gandalf the grey fights a shadow demon in the mines of Moriah in the book LOTR and emerges later as Gandalf the White, having clearly risen a degree higher in the order and further question how Mr Tolkien (allegedly a staunch catholic) knew so much about this.......

read the Illuminatus Trilogy, tells you all about it in there.....and Ian Flemming, who wrote the James Bond books met some members of that order and designated them S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

[INTJoe]

If by "Illuminati" you mean a small group of people who are loosely tied to one another and have massive amounts of wealth, power and privilege, and are collectively capable of initiating and orchestrating events of global significance, then yes.

It is a fact that very tiny portions of the population in most (if not all) countries control the vast majority of economic, political and social power.

^This. Whatever you want to call it, there is and will always be a pipeline of power and privilege that has more influence over the world than the peons.

I love reading about the Illuminati. Bohemian Grove is a good subject matter for conspiracy theorists. I think it's fascinating that many of the worlds powerful people are actually related. George W. Bush & John Kerry for instance. Also, isn't the English Royal Family of German (Rothschilds) descent?

[Night Runner]

I think it's fascinating that many of the worlds powerful people are actually related. George W. Bush & John Kerry for instance.

Since when is John Kerry powerful? :suspicious: I don't have anything personal against the guy, mind you, but if you were to create a list of 1,000 most powerful people in the world, he wouldn't be anywhere near it. That, and if you dig deep enough (5+ generations) you can establish connections between a lot of people.

[Nemesis]

I am in the Illuminati. Its pretty cool. We hang out, go bowling on league night, engineer sub-prime mortgage collapses - that sort of thing.

Don't forget to tell them about our weekly bakesale and pot-luck! Door prizes people!!!

[Trenchant1]

There are certainly things happening in the world that make it easy to believe that there is 'something going on'. The European Union grew from nowhere to become an organisation that has virtually taken over most of Europe. It is unelected and thus undemocratic. It began as the European Coal and Steel Community. With the Treaty of Rome, it became the European Economic Community. Then it became the European Community and finally, the European Union. Eventually, after all the nation states are subsumed, it will become the country of Europe. How did it go from being an organisation dealing with coal and steel to a European government? With great stealth and patience. Very soon, the UK will be no more.

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A North American Union is planned. The process of setting it up has begun with the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. This was agreed without any consultation with the people or even Congress or the Senate.
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These Unions are all modelled on the non-democratic European Union. They will all have power without responsibility. Small, unelected groups will create laws for vast numbers of people.

The EU is a new kind of 'government'. There has never been anything like it before. The President, Manuel Barosso likened it to Empire.
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The majority of people in the UK would like to leave the EU but the government keeps pushing us further into it. The government promised a referendum on the European Constitution. Before we could vote on it, the French and Dutch voted against it. So, they brought it back under the guise of the Lisbon Treaty. It is 99% the same as the constitution but since it is a treaty, the government said that it would not be necessary to have a referendum. They ratified it after the Irish people had voted NO. The Irish vote should have meant that the treaty was dead. Unfortunately, that is not how the EU works. They will require Ireland to have another vote and another and another until they give the right answer. Once they vote YES, there will be no chance of another vote.

Be very wary of a North American Union. Watch for agreements between the USA, Canada and Mexico that talk about 'harmonisation' of standards. That's how the UK was sucked into the EU. We accept their standards, then they're taking over everything. If anyone would like any more information, let me know. If there are any British voters on here, please vote for UKIP in the coming European elections in June.

Whether the people in charge of all of these Unions are members of some group calling itself the Illuminati, I don't know. I do know that there are very powerful people taking our rights away from us every day.

[Night Runner]

I don't know enough about the EU to contribute to this discussion, but I assure you that a full-scale North American Union won't happen in the foreseeable future, if only because of Mexico's instability and drug wars that threaten to topple their government...

[Hanfgeist]

Be very wary of a North American Union. Watch for agreements between the USA, Canada and Mexico that talk about 'harmonisation' of standards. That's how the UK was sucked into the EU. We accept their standards, then they're taking over everything. If anyone would like any more information, let me know. If there are any British voters on here, please vote for UKIP in the coming European elections in June.

Whether the people in charge of all of these Unions are members of some group calling itself the Illuminati, I don't know. I do know that there are very powerful people taking our rights away from us every day.

I live in the UK and view the European Union as little more than a crime syndicate masquerading as a government. The auditors hav'nt been able to sign off the accounts for fourteen years 'cause so much of the money gets syphoned off and just vanishes.

You should watch a film called 'Eyes Wide Shut' as it appears to be about a shadowy and powerful religious order which bears some resemblance to the stories about illuminati......

[Visum]

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[INTJoe]

Since when is John Kerry powerful? :suspicious: I don't have anything personal against the guy, mind you, but if you were to create a list of 1,000 most powerful people in the world, he wouldn't be anywhere near it. That, and if you dig deep enough (5+ generations) you can establish connections between a lot of people.

lol. I can't remember all the good connections so this was the only 1 I could think of.

But for instance many of the most influential people in America can trace their roots back to the Mayflower.

[Visum]

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From Wiki:

"The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial annual invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of politics, business and banking.

The elite group meets annually at luxury hotels or resorts throughout the world — normally in Europe, and once every four years in the United States or Canada. It has an office in Leiden in the Netherlands.[1] The 2008 conference took place in Chantilly, Virginia.[2][3] and the 2009 meeting will take place from May 14-16 in Athens, Greece."

[Lucid]

But for instance many of the most influential people in America can trace their roots back to the Mayflower.

Funny... I can trace my roots back to the mayflower. Where's my secret initiation right invitation, huh?

Actually, my grandmother joined some group for people descended from the original Mayflowerians. Hmm.... :thinking:

[Trenchant1]

I don't know enough about the EU to contribute to this discussion, but I assure you that a full-scale North American Union won't happen in the foreseeable future, if only because of Mexico's instability and drug wars that threaten to topple their government...

Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU despite the fact that they are riddled with crime.
This is from an article in The Times.
"Both countries were allowed to join despite grave misgivings over corruption, organised crime and judicial independence. Despite a lack of progress in some key areas, they are set to escape financial penalties and continue to receive the generous funding that EU membership brings, The Times understands.'

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No doubt the USA will say that they will be better able to deal with drugs and other crime under a North American agreement. Don't assume anything. The aim of those in charge is a global government with a single currency. If the number of currencies is reduced, it will be easier and easier to keep reducing until there is only one. There will be one government, one army. It might take a while but it will happen unless we recognise the dangers and do something about it.

[Night Runner]

But for instance many of the most influential people in America can trace their roots back to the Mayflower.
According to a quick google search, there were 102 people on the Mayflower. Back then, people had quite a few kids, so pretty much every family that has lived in this country for a few generations has some sort of connection to them. There must be millions of descendants walking around.


No doubt the USA will say that they will be better able to deal with drugs and other crime under a North American agreement. Don't assume anything. The aim of those in charge is a global government with a single currency. If the number of currencies is reduced, it will be easier and easier to keep reducing until there is only one. There will be one government, one army. It might take a while but it will happen unless we recognise the dangers and do something about it.
Well, I have a degree in political science and let me assure you, American xenophobes, racists, conservatives and a significant number of rational people will never let that happen. The reasons are many, and it will take far more than a single post to explain them all. Suffice to say that despite decades of debates on the status of illegal immigrants/guest workers, no comprehensive legislation has been passed - and that includes the amnesty bill that was voted down last summer. Trust me, if we can't do something this simple, the absorption of Mexico won't happen anytime soon. :)

[Samoan Corleone]

Wherever the Illuminati is concerned, I always remember The Doors:

"They got the guns, but we got the numbers..."

They'll never take all of us!

[Beulah]

There is a clique of long standing between some (but not all) super rich families. Tho I don't believe any of the myth and conspiracy theory, or rather related overtone of battles betwen good and evil that has developed around this. Of course the "richies for centuries" plot together about manipulating stuff to further enrich themselves - what other entertainment do they know - its just a sport & kind of family tradition for them.

I once dined with some of this group (members of a famous filthy rich U.S. family) at "windows on the world" in Londons Park Lane. I was the bankers girlfriend who went into shock... after seeing the price of the entree (enough to feed the 3rd world for a month.. almost). A pack of filthy rich snobs who would not condescend to talk to me, simply as I wasn't one of them. We ended up at the Ritz private club where I watched them squander fortunes - Aaaaagh!

They talked business with my date and as I was young 20 years ago I was not much interested, but I was aware they were talking about manipulating country politics in ways to further enrich themselves and their cronies. And I strongly detected that they saw themselves as elite, and the non filthy rich as basically farm animals to profit off or dispose at will.

The impression I left with was that these people live under no rules, they have absolute power to do as they wish - money can buy anything - which allowed very free ranging minds as any choice they make can typically happen. Some European royals were at the table too, and had slightly better manners than the corporate elite family from NY.

If this was a taste of the real illuminati or those who inspire such tales (the family I was with that night do feature in a lot of the conspiracy theories) then all I can say is - what a pack of smallminded boring money mad cretins, with rather narcissistic traits. Hey maybe even inbred!!

[Trenchant1]

Trust me, if we can't do something this simple, the absorption of Mexico won't happen anytime soon. :)

This is the attitude that has existed in the UK for nearly forty years. We didn't believe that the UK could be taken over by the EU. We were told that we would have a veto on all decisions that would affect our country. Gradually, our representatives were persuaded that, for the sake of getting things done, there should be a move to majority voting. At first, this was only for minor things. Then it moved on to more and more important matters. Now, we have almost no vetoes. Soon, we will have none because we will not be an independent nation state in a group of other independent nation states. We will be twelve regions of the country of Europe. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Click on the United Kingdom. You will see twelve regions named, including Yorkshire and Humber, North West and South East. Note that Scotland and Wales are there but there is no mention of England. This is because Scotland and Wales are regions of the EU, not because they are separate countries. They are the same as North West and South East).

If anyone had said that this is what would happen when we joined the EU, nobody would have believed it. Stay alert to the news. If the NAU does not come into being, I will be surprised but happy.

[MaleVolentworld]

I don't understand Daima.

It's like me making a post saying "I don't think aliens exist, I think it's silly, what do you think?"...if I don't think aliens exist then why would I ask others what they thought? because I wasn't confident in my conclusion and was really asking for evidence to suggest they do exist? or because I have homework asking me for the proof that aliens exist and what their aims are?

If I don't think something exists then why would I give a crap wasting my time asking what others think? I don't think god exists, I don't care to read about the opinion of those that do, why would it matter?

Maybe the zap this morning to my brain has left me missing something here.

[Night Runner]

If anyone had said that this is what would happen when we joined the EU, nobody would have believed it. Stay alert to the news. If the NAU does not come into being, I will be surprised but happy.

I guess the key difference lies in people's attitude. Nothing personal, but Americans managed to kick the Brits out about two centuries ago. :) Although the people here don't have as much power as they used to, they have strong opinions (some are very strong, and against Mexico) and guns. Lots and lots of guns...

[Pandemonium]

Aren't they all talking about some 'new world order'. There has been many speeches of late about the topic.

[PunkinA]

I never really realized how rapidly this trend was occurring to combine individual states in each continent into unified continent-states.

OH shit! They've already got Australia!

[Pandemonium]

I guess the key difference lies in people's attitude. Nothing personal, but Americans managed to kick the Brits out about two centuries ago. :) Although the people here don't have as much power as they used to, they have strong opinions (some are very strong, and against Mexico) and guns. Lots and lots of guns...

They were kicked back in with friends, in 1913.

I never really realized how rapidly this trend was occurring to combine individual states in each continent into unified continent-states.

OH shit! They've already got Australia!

AHHHH!!!!! OHH DEAR LORD! WE MERGED BACK IN 1901! It is all so clear now.

Wait? Is the country of 'Australia' called 'Australia' or the Federation of Australia?

Until 1999 Queensland could eject itself from the federation without an referendum of the people. Due to Queensland having no legislative council this could have been achieved easily.

[Samoan Corleone]

Say that this secret group consisting of world leaders, bankers, aristocrats, mob bosses, and Jay-Z does exist; does anyone actually believe they could take over the world when those of us who aren't Illuminati outnumber them at, like, a trillion to one?

And, say that they do manage to swallow up every country in the world and we fall under the rule of one, or the joint-rule of a commitee. No two countries will go to war against each other and there'd be no illegal immigration. I don't think it would interfere with everyday life, just that it'd be easier for me to visit Cuba or Russia if ever I wanted to go on holiday.

[Beulah]

Like you'd afford a holiday still. An endgame if ever sought by an elite that formed an official committee or front group with tentacle like power would effect our lives quite unpleasantly, if subtly, like so

1) Federated global Police force (as the UN has twice advocated since 2000) - enforcing standardised top down laws, based prima facie on human rights, with no adjustments for local culture. The Global Police would be more corruptible to protect bullyboys (civilian thugs for the big boys) and not gun for any big boys eg white collar crims or organised crime like the hard drug trade if & when funded by elite players (mob or big business or co-ops of the two).
2) No single global currency because that would stop the enriching but country destroying forex games enjoyed by likes of Soros
3) Wars still encouraged to benefit arms profiteers and where feasible to decrease unproductive (non consumer) population bases.
4) That 98% of wealth held by 2% of population increases to 99.9% held by say 2.5% (more hig level officials in the pocket).
5) More 1st worlder people closer to the breadline, under heavy Police rule (anti dissent) but with a lot more chaos and societal breakdown regardless - high crime distracts well by keeping a population in fear and preoccupied with survival not aspirational goals.
6) Dumbed down education, complemented by a range of opiates for the masses on tap, to anaesthetise and stop critical mass forming for rebellion against puppet National rulers or elected Governments who lost any grip on sovereignty & practice pseudodemocracy.

The old political system options that fell or are falling could merge into an even worse mongrel.