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imoutofhere
10-31-2007, 12:00 PM
I guess they're not really total idiots, per say... They just don't compare, so I have a negative view, and like to sumerize to just calling them dumb. They do really stupid things, such as acting dumber than they are. I'm not saying they lack in book smarts, or memorized data, I'm saying they tend to lack sense/wisdom. If they were to think about it, dumbing themselves down doesn't solve anything and only feeds stereotypes and encourages being belittled and dismissed as intellectually capable. I hope this clarified... More like INTJ descriptions say, I just have high standards, and little concern for those who can't meet them.

Rather than double posting...

EDIT:

"Concerning me being an INTJ or INFP or what ever the test's results show it and you have to live with it "

NThat's not how that works, and a real INTJ would know that. Tests/quizzes can be easily fooled by anyone wishing to do so, and they're usually not perfect and can make errors on their own without the help of mis-self reports by the taker.

"In the end, not all INTJs show the same traits of character so some of you shouldn't generalize the whole matter."

Yes, they do. The psychological type system is entirely 100% about your base personality traits.
If the shoe doesn't fit, it's not yours. You're not an INTJ, and it's very blatant.

"It's not a matter of being female when not being taken seriously."

A real INTJ will notice that their gender affects how others view them.

"And more importantly,there are plenty of thick men not only women. So intelligence is definitely not a question of sex."

I didn't say that. You're an idiot. Don't twist my words. I did not say that the male gender didn't have it's own fair share of imbeciles. You intentionally twisted what I said to find argument, which you only did to try to look smarter.

"Moreover, I've never heard such a theory that "most women aren't too bright,because our ancestors evolved weary of being hurt by men and to use socialisation to survive"."

Because it's my own, of course you never heard it before. Real INTJs don't pick up all their thoeries and facts from elsewhere, we can figure things out on our own.

"It's true women have been suppressed by men but there were plenty of brave women to show that it's quite the contrary. Therefore, this reason seems more than far-fetched."

In regards to the plenty of brave women claim... Not true. There's been few. Clearly you didn't even consider it before refusing to believe it.

"If you stop thinking like this and be more confident concerning your sex people might take you more seriously."

That is NOT an INTJ thing to say!

"This is just ridiculous! Why should I lie while doing the test. My boy-friend asked me to do the test out of curiosity. I even didn't know the outcome. Honestly, I've never heard of these categories. I don't see any sense in manipulating this test."

Because you have delusions about yourself that you express while taking the test that distort your results. Maybe you don't do it realising, but you still clearly did it. You're not an INTJ, and should not have had any chance at an INTJ result.

Firelie
10-31-2007, 12:27 PM
Hey hey hey people, this thread is going in a bad direction. Let's all take a moment to breathe and exit the attack/defense mode.

imoutofhere
10-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Hey hey hey people, this thread is going in a bad direction. *Let's all take a moment to breathe and exit the attack/defense mode. *

That person's incompatible, she shouldn't be here. Maybe it's mean, but it's the truth. I would personally ban her for misrepresentation, which does in fact break the user agreement/terms of use we agree to before joining forums boards.

Yersinia
10-31-2007, 12:43 PM
@Haminette: Why are you so aggressive? I would never call you an idiot as you called me. Although it would be reasonable as you're maliciously accusing me manipulating results because of my delusions. I like being me and I would never lie in such tests as I want an correct evaluation of my charcater.
Dammit, I don't deserve such a treatment. I am a smart and good person. I know who I am and you don't know. You can't judge people only by reading posts. Yes, I'm too energetic and confident for you but it doesn't mean that you should attack me like that, girl. Please be more tolerant.
Why are you so focused on judging people. You're too narrow-minded and fanatically focused on being an INTJ. Now you want to ban me? What a mean and intolerant personality you have. But actually Instead of banning me I go out of this forum. I don't like these kind of people reacting in such a aggressive way. You're disgusting.Bye

Firelie
10-31-2007, 12:49 PM
That person's incompatible, she shouldn't be here. Maybe it's mean, but it's the truth. I would personally ban her for misrepresentation, which does in fact break the user agreement/terms of use we agree to before joining forums boards.

I'm just wondering how on earth you can sit there and have an animated argument on a complete stranger's personality type based on a comment or two made in an online forum thread.

Shoot, I'm more bubbly online than I am in real life, am I not an INTJ either? *Is anyone that doesn't exhibit every trait mentioned on the INTJ profile really another type in disguise? Crap, maybe I'm not a thinker at all. I mean, I did cry at the end of 50 First Dates. :suspicious:

OneBadMother
10-31-2007, 12:55 PM
Hey hey hey people, this thread is going in a bad direction. *Let's all take a moment to breathe and exit the attack/defense mode. *

That person's incompatible, she shouldn't be here. Maybe it's mean, but it's the truth. I would personally ban her for misrepresentation, which does in fact break the user agreement/terms of use we agree to before joining forums boards.

I guess as a forum grows larger elitists are unavoidable. Nevertheless, you seem to be an awful stickler for the letter of the rules. You sure you're not an S? :P

Firelie
10-31-2007, 12:59 PM
I guess as a forum grows larger elitists are unavoidable.

You have a point. I suppose it was just wishful thinking that everything would continue in a (relatively) peaceful, intellectual manner.

OneBadMother
10-31-2007, 01:01 PM
Eh, it still might. Jezebel did just add the "ignore" function, after all. <_<

Henry
10-31-2007, 01:13 PM
Eh, it still might. Jezebel did just add the "ignore" function, after all. <_<

Its an absolutely essential feature of any decent forum that doesn't have time for constant moderation.

Jezebel
10-31-2007, 06:46 PM
Please be civil toward each other. I don't like reading forums full of posts personally insulting members and other nastiness, and certainly wouldn't want to own one of them. There is no policy to ban or condemn members that mistype (and I'm not saying that is the case in this situation), and there never will be.

http://intjforum.com/YaBB.pl?num=1189040529

Rules and Guidelines

1. Personal attacks, harassment, name calling, and posts which serve no purpose other than to flame other members will not be tolerated. Do not troll, bait members, or purposefully cause annoyance and disharmony. This does not mean you can't disagree with someone, but don't do it for the purpose of causing a disturbance on the forum. . .

Thread split from here: http://intjforum.com/YaBB.pl?num=1193797290

imoutofhere
11-02-2007, 09:45 AM
I agree with haminette on this issue. Everyone who voted no to astrology has yet to back up their opinion. *Haminette on the other hand has given a very good (imho) explanation and that is that all of you naysayers are looking at astrology on a very superficial level. *

The issue here is not really yes or no to astrology, but the argument, if you want to call it that, is about whether a true intj dismisses a topic because it is not useful to them (which is what jezebel is doing) or whether a true intj has a need to back up their view with as much fact as possible and will not be deterred from their viewpoint easily (just like haminette). *I read on a website that a group of intj's = an argument. *So personally the mark of a true intj is one who actually enjoys the argument. *So Jezebel and Haminette....are either of you really enjoying this thread? *If you are it doesn't seem like it.

*Hugs!* (My feeling is partially developed, sorry. My old school mates had encouraged it of me.)

You're right. I used to like arguing, but I had experience with one of them people who likes to argue entirely for its own sake, and now I'm a lot more weary about it. Plus, there is a difference between argument and debate. I enjoy actual debate where it's about truly determining what is and isn't right and learning from each other. Argument is about who is more stubborn... You don't solve anything when you're just trying to out-stubborn eachother, now do you? In other words, I've learned that arguing doesn't work, so I don't want to get into it. Especially not since I'm borderline and would get really stressed by a battle of who is more dominant. I dropped the main topic right away at the tell-tale signs of a fellow INTJ mistakenly trying to argue against something just because they wanted to. It doesn't have a point, so why bother? She wouldn't be able to win, so why let her waste her efforts? At least for me, it can be heavily taxing to try to argue for something only to find I can't win.

Also, I'd like to point out that as I'm growing more comfortable with the system, I'm realizing that a lot of those who would try to argue or act haughty to something while they clearly didn't actually read it yet are probably more of INTP or ISTP, or at least lean that way while they're being that way. (In other words, not really bothering to think about it.) Of course, those types should be quite similar, just they should be more prone to take a stance before seriously thinking about it. She's probably like me and is a little more balanced and able to have moments of leaning in different type directions, though still with INTJ as the main (therefore true) type.




And, in response to the statement that I had no point in quoting the original post. I am used to boards where as the topic continues it grows (sometimes very quickly) off topic, where it's important to let people know you're redirecting the thread back to the main topic. I am far from the only person who does this, so it'd be good to remember to avoid future confusion. If the first post is quoted, it is to let people know you're completely on topic, it does not mean you are saying everything in that post back to that one person. I only did it as a safety precaution in case the posts I didn't go on to read yet had changed subject.

Jezebel
11-02-2007, 11:53 AM
I see your claims to ignore further responses from me are nothing more than an attempt to get the last word in. Or does it not count because you're talking about me to someone else? Either way, your condescending attitude and unpleasantness continues and this has nothing to do with the original topic.