eNTj, eNTp, or iNTj?

[Hypomanic]

Okay I have a headache. Anyway, I'm starting to question my label of 'eNTp'. Here are some aspects of my personality (throughout my lifetime):

Childhood:
* Teacher's pet
* I was painfully shy.. relying on my little sister (INTP) to talk to waiters, adults, store clerks, et cetera.
* I would hang out with just one close friend at a time.
* In a group of 3 friends, my best friend and I would isolate the one that I didn't like the most.
* I was in my head a lot. I didn't know my dad did hard drugs until my mom divorced him when I was 11, although I can recall him doing them in front of me.
* When my friends were over too long I sought alone time on the computer, often. Even with them there.

Teenager:
* I got sick of telling my friends my thoughts, only to have them say them aloud and receive agreement, so I forced myself to be self-reliant and outspoken
* I ditched friends that I saw as 'losers' or that wouldn't provide me the social life I wanted
* I relied on mind-altering substances to become more social/confident

Young Adulthood:
* I quit drugs
* I've found that my family's support is enough, and that being around friends too much is *extremely* taxing
* I'm more reliant on my own judgement
* I've become more of an introvert and am more comfortable with that

What type am I by nature? Looking at my personal history is confusing, plus my ENTJ mom discourages introverted behavior as anti-social.. Type me?

[Meyer]

Why not try a cognitive functions test? Its just a test but it may give you a better idea based on your strengths.

[Hypomanic]

From TypeLogic:

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ***************************************** (41.8)
excellent use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************* (13.2)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************************** (42.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ***************************************** (41.4)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************* (37.7)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************* (33.1)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *** (3.9)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************** (26.3)
average use

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENTJ

Lead (Dominant) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INTJ, or ENTP

[Diva]

From TypeLogic:

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ***************************************** (41.8)
excellent use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************* (13.2)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************************** (42.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ***************************************** (41.4)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************* (37.7)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************* (33.1)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *** (3.9)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************** (26.3)
average use

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENTJ

Lead (Dominant) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INTJ, or ENTP

Strange that it shows your primary functions as Te, but in fact you get the highest score on Ne.

I am still wondering how this test works.....somehow a mysterious test. Probably untrustworthy?

I would say, don't bother too much about your type. In fact I have similar problems to identity myself too. (am among ENTJ, INTJ and INTP) According to temperament theory, you are for sure the NT Rational. The differences amongst the four types of NT's are really minor, comparing to the differences from NT to NF, SP, or SJ.

[Hypomanic]

Wow I've never heard anyone say that the NT's are all very similar before. You're probably right. However, my biggest drive in finding out which type I am most like naturally (from childhood until now) is so that I don't deny my innate abilities or strengths.

Regarding TypeLogic, I'm not sure splitting up the processes is a reliable way to finding type either (since the cognitive functions are all supposed to be working together). The parts do not necessarily have the same properties as the whole.

[Diva]

Wow I've never heard anyone say that the NT's are all very similar before. You're probably right. However, my biggest drive in finding out which type I am most like naturally (from childhood until now) is so that I don't deny my innate abilities or strengths.

Regarding TypeLogic, I'm not sure splitting up the processes is a reliable way to finding type either (since the cognitive functions are all supposed to be working together). The parts do not necessarily have the same properties as the whole.

Wow, you've never heard anyone say that the NT's are all very similar before? wow.
Basically, all NT's are similar type of people. It is really hard to distinguish the exact type, sometimes. -- I heard it from one of my ENTJ friend, who is psychiatrist as profession. (And he sometimes confuses himself as INTJ also.)

Actually, you could check your Ennaegram type. if you are 8 or 7 or 3, then you are more likely to be ENTx, if 5 or 6, you are more likeyly to be INTx. I hardly know any ENTx who is Ennaegram type 5 or 6.
This is only my intuition, not scientifically proven though.

[Hypomanic]

Hmm I don't really see a correlation between the Enneagram and how I am.
I don't need any of those criteria to be happy. I'm happy just being me.
Besides, I don't think one's motivations and innate abilities coincide.
My motivation can change, but my personality shouldn't.

[The Many]

Hmm I don't really see a correlation between the Enneagram and how I am.
I don't need any of those criteria to be happy. I'm happy just being me.
Besides, I don't think one's motivations and innate abilities coincide.
My motivation can change, but my personality shouldn't.

Then why even care about personality type? I realize this comes off as blunt, so please don't take any offense now, but is personality type really that important? I mean, the Myers-Briggs types don't cover all people out there, they are only approximations.

[Hypomanic]

Okay I was responding to the Enneagram.. you lost meaning in what I said, because you took it out of context.

I'm happy being me. I also want to find out which type best fits me, as I'm unsure.

[The Many]

Okay I was responding to the Enneagram.. you lost meaning in what I said, because you took it out of context.

I'm happy being me. I also want to find out which type best fits me, as I'm unsure.

I know you were responding to the Enneagram post, and what I meant was that if you don't care for the Enneagram then why care for the Myers-Briggs? After all it is a quite flawed system.

[Hypomanic]

I think the MBTI has more good aspects than bad.

[Solaris]

This seems to be a recurrent theme among ENT's, as I go through the same thing. Also, I've noticed that ENT's (and many INT's) seem fairly able to exercise their Ne and Ni or Te and Ti fairly equally, making it harder to pin down a type. Then, since NT's tend not to function as the majority of SJ society, we have an introverted side -- or what seems that way because we get tired of being misunderstood or told we are argumentative. So I observe people and ease them into who I am, it's just easier. However, I also strive to be my genuine self all the time (like one of you said, I forget who), so I sometimes struggle with that.

[abski83]

Knowledge about the types can be useful and can give insight to who you are, how you behave, your strengths, and your weaknesses.

Are you already aware of your abilities and talents? Are you afraid of missing out on something? You can always explore and see where you're most confortable at.

I get ENTP, INTJ, and ENTJ results as well. I think it's just a matter of assigning and arranging priorities. Personally, knowing who I really am would be really great... but it's ok if i don't find a box i could fit in. :)

I thought of doing away with giving much thought to what "type" I am. I know I can always be any of them.

[Solaris]

Knowledge about the types can be useful and can give insight to who you are, how you behave, your strengths, and your weaknesses.

Are you already aware of your abilities and talents? Are you afraid of missing out on something? You can always explore and see where you're most confortable at.

I get ENTP, INTJ, and ENTJ results as well. I think it's just a matter of assigning and arranging priorities. Personally, knowing who I really am would be really great... but it's ok if i don't find a box i could fit in. :)

I thought of doing away with giving much thought to what "type" I am. I know I can always be any of them.

It's not about finding a box to fit into, it's about understanding myself so that I can use my strengths to their potential. Also, I like to understand how other people work, it fascinates me.

[INTJoe]

Hypo, remember "E" doesn't mean you always want to be around people. THere are many different facets of "E/I".

Are you quick-tongued? If you are quick-tongued, but don't *think* you are as social as most E's, you may still be an "E".

E doesn't solely mean you like being around a bunch of people all the time. Do you think things through aloud? Are you quick to speak, but often say the wrong thing, or change your mind after reflection?

What I notice most about my I is that I always think through before I speak. I don't present word unless I'm almost certain I will say a correct statement. I'm very aware of trying to "not look dumb", and so I despise presenting words too quickly, only to say something wrong.

That is one thing I find difficult about dealing with ENT's is that they are smart, but too quick-tongued and very forceful, even if it means changing thier opinion later after reflection.

[Diva]

Hypo, remember "E" doesn't mean you always want to be around people. THere are many different facets of "E/I".

Are you quick-tongued? If you are quick-tongued, but don't *think* you are as social as most E's, you may still be an "E".

E doesn't solely mean you like being around a bunch of people all the time. Do you think things through aloud? Are you quick to speak, but often say the wrong thing, or change your mind after reflection?

What I notice most about my I is that I always think through before I speak. I don't present word unless I'm almost certain I will say a correct statement. I'm very aware of trying to "not look dumb", and so I despise presenting words too quickly, only to say something wrong.

That is one thing I find difficult about dealing with ENT's is that they are smart, but too quick-tongued and very forceful, even if it means changing thier opinion later after reflection.

I must confess you made a good point. I've noticed my quick-tongue problem for ages, and tried to correct it. Glad I've finally made some progress on Thinking_Out_Loud before speaking.

[INTJoe]

Hey as "I's" our issue is that by the time we've formulated our thoughts and are ready for presenting them, either someone else has already said them, or the group has already meandered into another topic and nobody cares what your thoughts are by then. lol.

I don't mind being introverted in terms of alone time, but I really hate that I'm so slow to present my thoughts, especially in a group dynamic.

I have no idea how to improve on that.

[Hypomanic]

I see. My INTP sister says that we often get to the same conclusion, she just thinks it through much longer (although her conclusion is more mature). That was a good description, I'm E. I don't think out loud though, but my mom does. ;) I feel most comfortable being alone, so if you cut the 'people person' part out the description it's straight on.

How about J? Isn't J like having standards? Are they innate? I make decisions fast, but I'm not really into cleaning, except if it's to throw out unneeded wastes-of-space.

[INTJoe]

A fun thing I read about the J/P quality in, I believe, Type Talk was the following:

If a P goes to see a popular movie they'll come back saying:

"I saw that new James Smith movie this weekend."
"The movie has been talked about a lot in the press."
"The producers spent a lot of money on a few scenes."

If a J saw the same movie they'd come back saying:
"I saw that new James Smith movie this weekend...I thought it was pretty good."
"The media loves it, I think they over-rate it, but still it was good."
"They spent too much money on it, though. Could have done it cheaper."

In other words, the J's like to decipher their opinions on certain things. And the P's I guess guard their opinions a little more, and try to not form a "self-bias".

I read this and laughed because I have an INTP friend and it is often difficult to tell if he likes stuff or not. Sometimes I feel like he's just there for the experience.

Maybe J's know what we like and know what we don't like?

I think that is why EJ's are so opinionated. They've already made a value judgement on virtually everything on their table, and aren't afraid to let everyone know.

[Hypomanic]

J here! Okay I figured it out. :ninja:

[Solaris]

I rather well-known for just telling people what I think, and often being rather direct about it. I am not known to be confrontational, just direct and unafraid to voice my thoughts. If I find I don't know much about a subject, I'll keep quiet until I have questions; then will gather enough information to form ideas and opinions; I chew it over for a bit (if it's complex); then I start externalizing my conclusions.