shocking people with your ideas

[deicruxified]

i glossed my eyes over these intj descriptions

INTJs are idea people. Anything is possible; everything is negotiable. Whatever the outer circumstances, INTJs are ever perceiving inner pattern-forms and using real-world materials to operationalize them. Others may see what is and wonder why; INTJs see what might be and say "Why not?!" Paradoxes, antinomies, and other contradictory phenomena aptly express these intuitors' amusement at those whom they feel may be taking a particular view of reality too seriously. INTJs enjoy developing unique solutions to complex problems.

Thus INTJs sweat the details or, at times, omit them. "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts" could well have been said by an INTJ on a mission.

so i was thinking... with introverted intuition as our dominant trait, we do tend to shock people with our "adsurd" ideas. do you have any experiences wherein you said in the end, "see, i told ya!"?

[The Many]

I tend to look at thing in a very logical, rather than emotional way. Some of my solutions (and thus ideas) often come off as quite cold and "shocking" to others - for instance I see no problems with necrophilia (with the consent of the dead person, though) or beastiality (it's an interesting topic, and strangely enough the studies conducted on it conclude that the animals don't get hurt more than human beings having sex with each other) which people seem to want to forbid. In fact most anything should be allowed if consent is given, if you ask me.

Of course, these cases are one the extreme end of things and there is a sound reasoning beneath it - after all legislation in general is the formalization of ethics. Given that morality is entirely subjective, it should thus allow as much as possible that doesn't harm another human being (even though I'm in Sweden, the concepts of "Life, Freedom and the Pursuit of happiness" very much appeal to me). The minimization of laws is not set in stone and some further pragmatism is however necessary, but... alright, I'll stop there and not go entirely into my ideas on politics and legislation.

[RoqueBear]

I have been told more than several times that I can play a great "Devils Advocate". This meaning I don't expect to give or receive an easy answer to something that is a complex problem.

I have noticed quite a few people give what I would consider, "The World According To Me", answers to solutions. I usually consider that to be witty and/or ignorant depending on the source.

In the end, I am guided by logic and my intuition to realize there is a better answer out there. The complexities of every problem are not always readily apparent or they wouldn't be much of a problem. Thus, I have "shocked" people or shared ideas they just were not ready for at that time. Reality is the pawn of ideas...

[ShaiGar]

I predicted that there would not be weapons of mass destruction found, and no evidence given (at least not beyond the receipts when they sold them to saddam) and everyone else was shocked when i was right.

In science when i found out that decomposing wheat gave off enough gas to power a powerplant, I immediately suggested using decomposing human bodies because there would be more gas than wheat, and we could solve overpopulation in one go along with the energy crisis. Nearly everyone was shocked by that idea.

[The Many]

In science when i found out that decomposing wheat gave off enough gas to power a powerplant, I immediately suggested using decomposing human bodies because there would be more gas than wheat, and we could solve overpopulation in one go along with the energy crisis. Nearly everyone was shocked by that idea.

I've seen that idea somewhere else too, I think it's definitely an alternative worth looking at. Too bad all these touchy feely anything-but-NTs will refuse though...

[ShaiGar]

I've proposed that idea in a great many places. I do not really care if i get credit for it, as long as it gets taken on board.

Too much real estate is taken up for dead people to get skullfucked by worms, and why burn them? That wastes energy without providing a benefit. Using decomposition would have a benefit.

[logan235711]

An idea might come across more in this manner depending more-so on how it is presented, not-so-much what idea is presented. So to that extent, I wouldn't say I shock people, although sometimes I just say things that seem random to others and they are left :irked::suspicious: but of course I could reason it out if given the chance : )

Regardless, generally I phrase things and lead-into them enough so I'm never met with responses around stumped reactions.

[gebstone]

I've proposed that idea in a great many places. I do not really care if i get credit for it, as long as it gets taken on board.

Too much real estate is taken up for dead people to get skullfucked by worms, and why burn them? That wastes energy without providing a benefit. Using decomposition would have a benefit.

but wouldnt you consider tradition in your solution? i agree it is a viable option, but not everyone would regard this as being very economical and 'respectful' towards the dead. well, for example, i wouldnt want to use my laptop knowing well that my dead grandpa's the one providing the energy.

[Epicurus]

I've shocked some people a little with my evil ideas about liberty, not letting yourself be guided by ''irrational-emotionality''. Atleast I haven't been given better answer than that everyone is brought and kept togheter, when I say that crying for someone that has died doesn't give anything more than worthlessness.

Its really annoying with people who take my ''strange/stupid ideas'' (but to me perfectly rational ideas) to serious and tells me that it is either or both against all science, wrong and insane. Or when Im just trying to advocate with my invisible sarcasm.

Yes the type description fits perfectly.





Epicurus added to this post, 2 minutes and 23 seconds later...

but wouldnt you consider tradition in your solution? i agree it is a viable option, but not everyone would regard this as being very economical and 'respectful' towards the dead. well, for example, i wouldnt want to use my laptop knowing well that my dead grandpa's the one providing the energy.Silly you!

[mind_wander]

i glossed my eyes over these intj descriptions





so i was thinking... with introverted intuition as our dominant trait, we do tend to shock people with our "adsurd" ideas. do you have any experiences wherein you said in the end, "see, i told ya!"?

I have shocked people with the "absurd" ideas, all the time. People think, I am crazy and it does not make sense at first, in the end I was kinda right all along.

[Ijz]

so i was thinking... with introverted intuition as our dominant trait, we do tend to shock people with our "adsurd" ideas. do you have any experiences wherein you said in the end, "see, i told ya!"?

I've often had the "see, I told ya" feeling although I prefer not to kick them when they're down so I keep it to myself or just give them the "I told you so"-look.

I do think there are 2 kinds of causes for this to happen. A) the other party is simply to stubborn or B) I'm incapable of explaining my thoughts/reasoning/intuition to the other sufficiently. I think in most occurrences the later was the case. I think explaining yourself accurately to another is one of the hardest things there is.

[deicruxified]

I do think there are 2 kinds of causes for this to happen. A) the other party is simply to stubborn or B) I'm incapable of explaining my thoughts/reasoning/intuition to the other sufficiently. I think in most occurrences the later was the case. I think explaining yourself accurately to another is one of the hardest things there is.
ditto... sometimes when i think it's the most logical and possible thing, people won't believe and even think i'm naive because i can't explain them. there was an instance wherein an idea came and i proposed it to some people in my group. since i had a hard time explaining it, i just said, "just shut-up coz it's going to work." and in the end, i said, "i told ya!" but i a very discreet manner.

[Aoiluna]

In science when i found out that decomposing wheat gave off enough gas to power a powerplant, I immediately suggested using decomposing human bodies because there would be more gas than wheat, and we could solve overpopulation in one go along with the energy crisis. Nearly everyone was shocked by that idea.

Im sure there are people willing to donate their bodies for energy. What about all those people who kill themselves for attention? They could prove themselves useful that way (im not saying that they are not useful while living). I like the idea though.

[aude]

Thats the thing i like about me. Is that i am not bond by feelings nor basic reality(thinking in the box). My ideas could be absurd at times but in the end there the most complete logical or illogical decision there is.

Its funny though my friends will come up too me and ask what i think about this problem and i give them the answer. And 90% or more they will deny that could work, but in the end after they done all they can think of. They find out that i was already right :)


And why did Monty python and the holy grail came to mind when ShaiGar mentioned using body's for fuel. :)

[LSB]

I have not shocked anyone with absurd ideas - I have shocked people with perfectly rational and logical ideas that they consider absurd because they have been brought up by an indoctrination machine, and accepted it.

[Antares]

I have not shocked anyone with absurd ideas - I have shocked people with perfectly rational and logical ideas that they consider absurd because they have been brought up by an indoctrination machine, and accepted it.

I tend to do that, but others also have the tendency to shun my idea (and some names could be involved). When it worked, the amount of glee I get is hardly containable (but with reasonable practice, my poise and composure comes of easy), but I still manage to give them a dignified: I told ya so! Especially when the person I say this to is quite clever and has her ego up Mt. Everest. I get morbid pleasure in doing this. I usually refrain from doing this if the person hasn't insulted my intelligence or rolled his/her eyes at me though. I mean, I do have a temper, and usually, a "I don't think this will work" is enough.

[Laura_Palmer]

I don't intend to shock people with absurd ideas, but when that happens I think it's great.

[Danisty]

I shock people with my ideas and I'm well aware of it. I do it anyway. Sometimes it's fun and sometimes I'm just too stubborn to keep my mouth shut.

[niffer]

Ugh. I don't need to even open my mouth to shock people.

[Danisty]

Ugh. I don't need to even open my mouth to shock people.I get that too! It seems some people can't handle seeing a woman sleeved in tattoos.

[Cuivienen]

And why did Monty python and the holy grail came to mind when ShaiGar mentioned using body's for fuel. :)

I thought of Brave New World when I read it (the part were they burn human bodies to use the remains for fertilizer).


As for the OP; usually I try to lead people into things, but sometimes when a certain mood hits me I deliberately say s.th. which they would have least expected in the situation just to see how they react. Usually they are quite :stunned: and :speechless:, which is always very funny.

[rwyatt365]

I get that too! It seems some people can't handle seeing a woman sleeved in tattoos.
I think that's hilarious - to be shocked by a woman (or anyone, for that matter) "sleeved" by tattoos. Personally, I would be intrigued and excited to imagine where those tatoos go, and what they depict!