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Doppelbock

02-12-2009, 08:34 AM

Any fans of the ABC show "LOST"?

I absofreakinlutely love LOST and am wondering if there are certain MBTI types that are naturally drawn to this show.

endless

02-12-2009, 08:50 AM

I dislike it intensely.

Zzyber

02-12-2009, 09:34 AM

Frodis

02-12-2009, 09:40 AM

Love it! Not sure if it has anything to do with my MBTI type. But it's really making my head swim right now with all the time-shifting. I agree with Zzyber about Jack and Kate. But Sawyer and John are my long-time favorite characters. And Ben is fascinating. I think he must be an INTJ "mastermind"...he certainly seems to be a central driver of all that happens on the island. Richard is also intriguing...how does he not age?

My other "must watch" is Battlestar Galactica. There's a lot of philosophy/psychology/sociology in that show (as well as in LOST), and I think that - more than the sci-fi fantasy aspects - is what appeals most to me.

Kisai

02-12-2009, 09:41 AM

I like most of the episodes. I have not been keeping up with the current season, though. I think the show suffers a little from having a grand format of focusing on one character's backstory per episode, then having too many characters. Also, some of the characters are inconsistent.

Kate, for instance, was an utter badass in season 1 and had some of the strongest episodes, but after that, she's a wishy-washy flake. Season 1 Kate would have broken out of her polar bear cage on her own and set the whole compound on fire while beating secrets out of Ben.

Frodis

02-12-2009, 09:50 AM

The backstory format is over for the most part. And the characters have been dying off, so there aren't all that many to keep track of now. But you probably won't be able to just pick up and start watching again because now there's a time-travel plot, and it's getting quite confusing, but that's why I think it's so much fun.

As to the characters being inconsistent, well, people are inconsistent. People change. I think that's sort of intentional...and part of the central theme -- that the island provokes change, you get to reinvent yourself, become an entirely new person.

I just can't stand Kate because I see her and Sawyer as the ideal mates...not her and Jack. Jack annoys the hell out of me. I can't explain why.

Anumidium

02-12-2009, 10:27 AM

I have to do a group report on Lost as part of a class. I may enlist your help, as we'll eventually have to conduct a survey. -bookmarks thread- I'll join meaningful discussion after I've watched a few episodes.. << >>

Doppelbock

02-12-2009, 12:38 PM

I love Lost. It is one of the only shows that I will make sure I'm home to watch. Pretty much Lost and Dr. Who. Ben is obviously my favorite character. I despise Jack and Kate but John is growing on me as well as Sawyer.

Personally, I don't mind Jack too much, when he's not crying or in withdrawal, and I love Kate (yummmmm). I get a kick out of Sawyer, he's one of my favorites. Locke, however, is an intellectually arrogant prick.

Reptilian

02-23-2009, 03:16 PM

I used to be into it until my friend rented the last season that was out and i walked in during the last episode, to find i missed a years worth of nothing

Katie

02-23-2009, 05:02 PM

I have to see it ... in spite of all its frustrations, its cliffhangers are very effective.

AliTree

02-23-2009, 05:04 PM

:p! BOO TO LOST! 3 of my close friends love it. i don't see the attraction at all.

curiousjane

02-23-2009, 06:29 PM

Heck yeah! I love LOST. It's the only show I watch all episodes of.

Lucid

02-23-2009, 08:14 PM

*stands*

Hello. My name is Lucid and I have an addiction to Lost.

My ex got me to try it. I thought it was a bad idea, but he said I'd like it and that it wouldn't hurt if I had just a little.

Well, I don't have to tell most of you, but it wasn't long before it stopped being just a casual thing and became something we did every week. He even got some of the seasons and we would spend entire weekends binging on Lost.

Now I find that it's the only thing on TV I make a point to watch.

Moriarty

02-23-2009, 08:16 PM

*raises hand*

I'm a fan.

ClydeB

02-23-2009, 08:59 PM

Never could get into it.

altoid

02-24-2009, 05:28 PM

I avoided Lost for a long time, but got sucked into it last year when they started playing reruns on the Sci-fi channel. There were a few weekends I spent several hours watching it online so I could catch up before the new episodes started again. Lost, Battlestar Galactica, and House are the only shows I really watch.

I've always liked Sawyer and Locke. Ben's quite interesting too. I can't stand Jack either. He really wants to be in charge, but doesn't seem to really understand or want to understand the big picture.

Lucid

02-24-2009, 07:43 PM

I've always liked Sawyer and Locke. Ben's quite interesting too. I can't stand Jack either. He really wants to be in charge, but doesn't seem to really understand or want to understand the big picture.

I completely agree. Jack is an ass hat. Ben gives me the creeps (which I'm sure is the point).

rwyatt365

02-25-2009, 07:02 AM

I avoided LOST at first, but then got sucked in about 2 years ago.

For me, the characters I like most are Ben (alwyas has an agenda, and it faultlessly true to it), and Locke (took the reins when no one else had the ball to). I dislike Jack intensely. He seems to be a whiny, wishy-washy pseudo-leader. He's the type that gets other people killed, while remaining safe himself. (IMHO)

Doppelbock

02-25-2009, 09:35 AM

I think Locke has done more harm than Jack has.

But yeah, Jack is pretty whiny.

Ben is just freaky scary. "You guys got any milk?" Best. Line. Ever.

rwyatt365

02-25-2009, 09:41 AM

Yeah, Locke has done a good deal of harm, but not because of (misplaced) sentimentality or indecision. I can respect someone that takes decisive - even if wrong - action.

Ben is indeed scary, but to me that's because no one can figure out what his true agenda is. As soon as you think you have him "pegged" he throws in something completely surprising, yet remakably consistent with his "flow" in the storyline. He's the guy that makes you go, "Huh?!!", followed immediately by, "Oh yeah!"

curiousjane

02-25-2009, 09:51 AM

I like Jack, usually. He tries. He has heart. But he just gets so focused on what is going on in the moment. Locke can step outside, but he disturbs me a little because he has an agenda, too. He's pretty selfish. Most of his actions are because of something he wants to see happen, while Jack's are because he wants to help people (and this is also his flaw ... he can't separate himself from the need to be needed or be a savior).

Ben creeps me out thoroughly. He's the worst kind of enemy. Unpredictable. Calculated. Slippery. Impossible to pin down for any length of time. But necessary for survival.

I liked Kate initially, and I'm still fond of her. But she's listless. And I think there should be a drinking game for how many times she says "I'm going with you." Haha. And I don't even drink!

Hurley has got to be one of my favorites. The guy is genuine, through and through. Genuinely nuts, sometimes, but genuine.

I like Sun and Jin's story line.

And I keep waiting for something to happen because Claire is not the one raising Aaron, like the psychic told her she had to.

And what about Walt?

And does anyone else wonder if some of the actions of the cast in seasons 1-4 were actually them in season 5 during a time travel episode?

rwyatt365

02-25-2009, 12:21 PM

I like Jack, usually. He tries. He has heart. But he just gets so focused on what is going on in the moment. Locke can step outside, but he disturbs me a little because he has an agenda, too. He's pretty selfish. Most of his actions are because of something he wants to see happen, while Jack's are because he wants to help people (and this is also his flaw ... he can't separate himself from the need to be needed or be a savior).
Precisely, and that's why I don't like him. That "I'm gonna save the world (inspite of itself)" attitude just turns my stomach.

Ben creeps me out thoroughly. He's the worst kind of enemy. Unpredictable. Calculated. Slippery. Impossible to pin down for any length of time. But necessary for survival.
Agreed 100% - he's your worst nightmare 'cause he has everyone's moves calculated out 10 steps before they even realize that they have "moves". I love it when he shows up with that little half-grin on his face. I know, inside, he's thinking "gotcha!"

I liked Kate initially, and I'm still fond of her. But she's listless. And I think there should be a drinking game for how many times she says "I'm going with you." Haha. And I don't even drink!

Hurley has got to be one of my favorites. The guy is genuine, through and through. Genuinely nuts, sometimes, but genuine.

I like Sun and Jin's story line.

Kate - tough-guy in a girls body (which of you INTJ manly-men could take Kate in a bare-knuckles fight?).

Hurley - comic relief (yes, he may be the "heart", but too much "heart" for me).

Sun & Jin - Sun bumping heads with Widmore is a surprise, but Jin...meh.

I almost forgot about Desmond. He's even more whiny than Jack, and his emotional collapses are quite tiring for me.

Frodis

02-25-2009, 01:16 PM

What, no Sayid fans? He's one bad m-fer. A torturer with a heart...priceless.

I'm intrigued by Daniel Faraday and his mom. They seem so central to the plot.

Richard Alpert is mysterious...why is he always the same age? Is that just due to time travel or is there some other reason?

Is Claire still on the island? And is she alive or in whatever form Christian Shepherd is in?

Can't stand Rose and Bernard - utterly annoying.

I enjoy it when a previously unknown survivor becomes part of an episode, running his mouth about something (a la "Frogurt" a couple epis ago). You know that means he/she is in for a violent death in that episode.

rwyatt365

02-25-2009, 01:23 PM

DAMN! How could I forget Sayid?! He's my favorite assasin. I think him & Ben are old drinking buddies.

lambpox

02-25-2009, 05:23 PM

LOVE LOST. :D Hate Jack and Kate, love Ben. Oh Ben. I love you so much. :( My english teachers hates me for this.

redbaren

02-25-2009, 05:39 PM

I love lost, I can see how people could hate it.

But if you have watched all the episodes it is a truly remarkable show. It is not dumbed down so any one can watch it witch is what i like.

curiousjane

02-25-2009, 06:39 PM

Oh, I love Sayid, too.

I can't wait for tonight! I want to see where HE ended up after going back.
I enjoy talking about this show way too much. Although I have friends who are LOST fanatics and surpass me in knowledge.

Moriarty

02-25-2009, 06:48 PM

I liked Kate initially, and I'm still fond of her. But she's listless. And I think there should be a drinking game for how many times she says "I'm going with you." Haha. And I don't even drink!

Ha! I hate the wench! It seems her only purpose is to provoke derision in the ranks and to get captured to be used as a hostage. I refer to her as "Capture-Me-Kate".

Lucid

02-25-2009, 07:34 PM

Yeah, I liked Kate but have recently been turned off by her damsel in distress phase.

I do like Sun though and also Jin.

I don't think that taking decisive, if wrong, action is better than taking no action at all. In many cases it can be worse. But I think that Locke is less selfish than many give him credit for. He thinks he is helping the people he is responsible for and genuinely trying to do the right thing. Sometimes he's wrong though, as we all are.

Jack I see as much the same, but less insightful, less ingenuitive and less caring. I think he's mostly concerned with being the leader for his ego.

What I really like about all the characters, is that none are 2 dimensional. All have good points, all have bad points, even the "bad guys" aren't without feelings, humanity etc.

Except Ben... to a degree. Even Ben is a very dimensioned, complex character. I think that if I were evil I would be like Ben. Maybe that's just self-flattery though. Honestly, I think he sees himself as having to make very hard decisions and do dirty, horrible things to people to serve the agenda of something he sees as the greater good. And I think that it's possible that this has warped him horribly.

Locke may end up being quite a bit like Ben in 20 years or so.

Mozzes

02-25-2009, 07:40 PM

Is there a place online that streams high quality episodes? I've actually had trouble tracking down torrents for the early episodes. Early episodes meaning the pilot episodes+.

Brittle

02-25-2009, 09:11 PM

I've been a huge Lost fan, but now that it's past season 2, our networks seem to be putting it on later and later and it was pure chance I found out the latest episodes were on since they hadn't advertised it at all (they've been doing the same with Heroes, which I also love). We're also a fair way behind the US which is frustrating.

Jack annoys the hell out of me. I can't explain why.

Because he's a whiney little bitch! Honestly, he needs to find some balls.

I've always been besotted with Sawyer. Maybe because we're so alike... too mouthy for our own good! :devilish:

altoid

03-01-2009, 12:17 PM

I've always been besotted with Sawyer. Maybe because we're so alike... too mouthy for our own good! :devilish:

I love his mouthiness. His little nicknames for everyone (freckles, frogurt) are great.

I really liked Mr. Eko as well. He was very intriguing, as well as very nice to look at. :)

Sliderule

03-01-2009, 12:54 PM

I found this in the Computer and Technology forum.

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LPM

04-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Who here is into LOST? Another great episode last night...

Farmer Joe

04-09-2009, 11:41 AM

I am a huge LOST fan. It is by far the best show ever.

Doppelbock

04-09-2009, 11:50 AM

I'm a huge LOST fan. Haven't seen last night's episode yet, though, so keep the spoilers to yerself!

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runoverazebra

04-09-2009, 11:55 AM

I am also a huge LOST fan. I rarely watch tv, but when I do, it is usually LOST.

Frodis

04-09-2009, 12:32 PM

LOST is one of my favorite current/recent TV shows. It's been a lot of fun to watch and try to figure out what is going on (especially when they were traveling through time). But it just doesn't seem to have that special "something" that Battlestar Galactica had. BSG haunted me; LOST entertains me.

I'm hoping there will be some deep philosophical conclusion to this show. It certainly seemed to be going that way in the earlier seasons, but now I'm just not sure what's going on. Maybe I'm just distracted.

N0c7urn3

04-09-2009, 10:53 PM

I didn't really follow the series when it first began airing, and would catch episodes intermittently. Not surprisingly, I found myself lost (excuse the pun) as to what was going on.

Recently, I rewatched the entire series from the beginning, and as lost as I still am, I did love it.

Great series. Can't wait to see that will happen next.

Rohsiph

04-11-2009, 05:13 PM

LOST is one of only a handful of shows I've found myself investing in. Oddly enough, I passed it off after just a few episodes the first season, but kept my TV on early into season 2 and got hooked. I still need to see more than half of the first season . . . but then again, maybe not as it really felt like they were just introducing the characters back then, and I know all the main players and am more interested in the mythos anyways.

Yes also to great episode this week. I'm not surprised to see a new topic about the show pop up especially after a Ben episode.

For folks who are caught up, I'm curious:

Was anyone else conflicted that Ben didn't shoot Penny? I've been dreading the encounter for weeks now after hearing the suggestion that's what Ben was doing on the docks, but really felt for Ben in the scene--last season, Alex's death solidified the show as an all-time favorite for me, and the reverence this episode payed her really resonated with me.

altoid

04-12-2009, 10:58 PM

I attempted to get my SO to watch the show for a while, but he kept refusing. I watched a couple of new episodes with him in the room, and he was confused but intrigued enough that he then had to go watch all the back episodes. Apparently I just needed to make him think it was his idea to watch them. :p

For folks who are caught up, I'm curious:

Was anyone else conflicted that Ben didn't shoot Penny? I've been dreading the encounter for weeks now after hearing the suggestion that's what Ben was doing on the docks, but really felt for Ben in the scene--last season, Alex's death solidified the show as an all-time favorite for me, and the reverence this episode payed her really resonated with me.

Me too (regarding Alex), and I was pleasantly surprised he didn't shoot Penny. As intelligent as he is it's easy to see Ben as somewhat one-dimensional, just in that almost everything he says and does is for the purpose of furthering his own agenda. But his witnessing Alex's death, the portrayal of his obtaining Alex as a baby, and his change of heart regarding Penny all add a lot of depth to his character.

altoid

04-14-2009, 01:20 PM

^^Actually, hesitation would be a better way to put it (regarding my spoiler comment).

LPM

04-16-2009, 06:28 PM

Night Runner

04-16-2009, 06:34 PM

I tried watching Lost for the first two seasons or so. Quit it in disgust after they spent 3 episodes or so stretching out one (one!) scene with a micro-reel that was hidden inside a book. I've switched to Heroes instead - it may not be much, but at least things change every now and then, and sometimes viewers even get *gasp* answers to their questions.

Brittle

04-17-2009, 12:08 AM

So how far behind the US are we? In this week's episode

Sayid had been captured by the 1970's Dharma group and escaped after a burning van careened into the village. He was accompanied by a young Ben who he shot after being confronted by Jin and stealing his gun. The rest of the Oceanic 6 have only just returned to the past (except Sun... haven't seen what happened to her yet)

PJL1281

04-17-2009, 12:18 AM

Jack annoys the hell out of me. I can't explain why.

Agreed. I think it's because he's such an emotional leader. He's weak and yet everyone follows him. Must be the halo effect.

PJL1281 added to this post, 2 minutes and 44 seconds later...

Is there a place online that streams high quality episodes? I've actually had trouble tracking down torrents for the early episodes. Early episodes meaning the pilot episodes+.

There was a time when they had all the seasons posted on the network website. Them being, ABC. I haven't checked in awhile though, the roommates splurged and got DVR so I don't have use for their website anymore.

zibber

04-17-2009, 01:29 AM

Was anyone else conflicted that Ben didn't shoot Penny? I've been dreading the encounter for weeks now after hearing the suggestion that's what Ben was doing on the docks, but really felt for Ben in the scene--last season, Alex's death solidified the show as an all-time favorite for me, and the reverence this episode payed her really resonated with me.

I'm glad they showed Ben's good side. He knows the survivors still see him as a bad person, but as we've found out, he's just been trying to be a good leader for the others. I definitely believe he has the island's best interests at heart. The Widmore feud is personal, and it's a good thing that he didn't follow through on that. Killing Penny would have had little to do with the island and more with his personal grudge. (Too bad Ben and Widmore have rules that prevent them from killing each other. Could that just be a general others thing? Locke also refused to kill Widmore ("Jones") in the 50s.)

Kids showing up can have that effect on this show, anyway. I just watched the Sawyer flashback episode from S1, and he pulls out of a scam for just that reason!

In any event, I am so thrilled that we are finally getting up close and personal with smokey and that Locke is quickly evolving into this super-guru and island spirit. Feels like we're MOVING!

Rohsiph

04-17-2009, 02:04 PM

Last night was another great episode.

The producers were very wise to set an end date and work towards the ending, answering questions as they go. The show was getting away from them last half of Season 2 to Season 3. But once they made that decision, it has been as good as ever. This season has been awesome.

Agree that the quality has been either consistent or improving since that decision was made, though this week's episode was one of the few this season I felt was a little off. Not bad, but I've felt the last five or so episodes have been ramping up and so my expectations have been following along, it's only natural one in six episodes doesn't "do it" for me. It had its moments, though . . . Hurley's role this season has been a joy, and especially in this week's episode.

So how far behind the US are we?

Three episodes, so not far behind. Think there's only four more to go over here this season, and next week is a 'recap special.'

(spoiler to) Feels like we're MOVING!

Definitely. Solid pacing, all of the actors are invested in their characters, and a thrilling balance between emotional character-driven moments and the intellectual literary mythos backing everything up. It's beautiful.

About this week's entry:

Did anyone else call Faraday's return? The 'how' wasn't what I was expecting, but I'm sure he's yet to play his best cards, and his absense the last few weeks led to a huge feeling he was bound to show up the other night.

zibber

04-18-2009, 05:23 AM

Rohsiph

04-18-2009, 02:01 PM

Dude, seriously? This last episode had some huge revelations and finally fleshed out the Miles character. Now, looking at older episodes (which I have been doing quite fanatically lately, almost having finished rewatching S1 and the preceding S5 eps), I take much more notice of the guy.

It might have something to do with one of my best friends being just like Miles without the ghost 'power' . . . but one might also think that'd make me like the guy more. And I suppose I do, particularly because I generally predict Miles the character's reactions by imagining how my friend would react . . . I don't think it was Miles' role I was disappointed in this week.

Maybe the twists weren't as twisty for me . . . I connected Miles being the baby in the season opening scene almost immediately, along with Faraday popping up eventually, and can't really think of any specifics that surprised me, which was much unlike the last few weeks. I guess Miles' backstory also came off as feeling more cliched to me, though probably because I know a guy that acts a lot like him.

Don't get me wrong, there was still a lot to like--unlike the 'lower' points of pretty much everything else on TV.

It's a blast looking at the old stuff, by the way. I just watched the Sayid/Rousseau episode from S1, and having seen young Danielle, her contemporary version is much more compelling to watch. The resemblance is pretty crazy; this show has some solid casting.

I've also been spending quite some time on Lostpedia under the motto "if you're going to be rabid in your fandom about something, might as well go all out". It's great fun reading about almost forgotten details like the Hurley bird, Claire's psychic and the early Eloise appearances.

This season I stumbled across "Doc Jensen's Lost Analysis" columns on ew.com. I'd never have imagined myself regularly perusing Entertainment Weekly in any form--isn't it just gossip?--but he's pretty good at touching on most of the literary connections in the episodes, to the point where he regularly catches flak for writing too "brainy."

Hell, I've never been compelled to assert my fandom for a TV program enough to chime in on a thread like this until Lost drew me in. If only soap-operas attempted to acheive the same depth, I might have something interesting to chat about on a regular basis with my folks ;)

Seriously

04-19-2009, 01:00 AM

I'm a Ben lover as well. The calculating cold mind is a joy to watch. Sayid is also a favorite. Jack is a whiny bitch but appears to be switching roles with Sawyer which could make things interesting. Juliet is much more interesting than Kate, Kate just needs to be killed off.

I enjoyed this last episode about Miles. You have to wonder at the paradox of him seeing himself as a baby.

I wonder about Richard as well, why he doesn't age like everyone else. And yea, where IS Claire????

Rohsiph

04-19-2009, 09:12 PM

I wonder about Richard as well, why he doesn't age like everyone else.

I think my favorite line this season is still one from Richard that came pretty early. After handing Locke a compass,

Locke: What does it do?
Richard: It points north, John.

zibber

04-20-2009, 06:11 AM

Also:

"Hey, Miles. Long time no see."

Still, nobody fucks with Richard. Only thing pissed me off is his incredulous attitude towards John in the 50s. (That's where the compass came in, though.)

Yesterday might have been my craziest Lost binge to date. I watched about a third of S1 (up to the finale), then went ahead and watched the first two eps of S2 as well. ("Hey, as long as I'm at it..") The crazy thing is that I had to make myself stop and go to sleep; I was still fiending for more. I got to work two hours late this morning :laugh:

.. LOST!

zibber

04-30-2009, 04:42 AM

Aw, hell. I'll just doublepost.

LOST!

FARADAY!

ELOISE!

WIDMOOOOOOOOORE!

I thought Widmore and Eloise conceived Penny, so I was "sort of" right :)

Cocoa

04-30-2009, 06:19 AM

I posted this in Charts and Maps thread, but I feel it belongs here as well. :)

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Rohsiph

04-30-2009, 01:08 PM

Aw, hell. I'll just doublepost.

LOST!

FARADAY!

ELOISE!

WIDMOOOOOOOOORE!

:)

I thought Widmore and Eloise conceived Penny, so I was "sort of" right :)
I'm still trying to puzzle out that dialogue at the end . . . and wondering what the hell Jack and Kate were doing as Faraday ran in all cavalier . . .

If nothing else, last night's entry slammed down another few planks towards the end of the series. I think I liked "Dead is Dead" better, but not by much--I'm a big fan of Faraday's awkwardly-reserved style.

Seriously

04-30-2009, 01:36 PM

If they are able to change things so that the plane doesn't crash everything that has happened disappears and they land in the US like nothing ever happened...could be a neat way to tie it up. I would be disappointed though, I'm expecting something more...

Rohsiph

04-30-2009, 01:50 PM

Seriously: the concurrent timelines has me convinced they won't succeed exactly as they'd like to. Whatever the 2007 group is up to, I don't expect any of their own challenges to be resolved by the '77 group.

Just finished reading the latest ew.com recap, which had more neat ideas than usual this week. This show is a lovingly-woven tapestry of maniac colors.

Rohsiph

05-07-2009, 02:42 PM

I'll go with the double-post this time:

Oooh, build up!

Increasing tension!

Hurley doesn't know his Presidents!

Locke's gonna do WHAT?

altoid

05-07-2009, 02:55 PM

Perhaps the "change the time-line" plan will be a way of killing off Jack. :wideeyed:

Eh, he's actually been a *little* less annoying this season.

Seriously

05-07-2009, 02:58 PM

Perhaps the "change the time-line" plan will be a way of killing off Jack. :wideeyed:

Eh, he's actually been a *little* less annoying this season.

Yea I was about done with Jack last season but they are making him more likable this time around. Kate on the other hand...well I'm waiting for Juliet to take care of her. :D

rvangelder

05-07-2009, 03:07 PM

Yea I was about done with Jack last season but they are making him more likable this time around. Kate on the other hand...well I'm waiting for Juliet to take care of her. :D

jack does better as the bumbling subordinate than the "im the leader dammit" he was earlier.
just waiting for him to play with the smoke monster tbh. im loving sawyer's new alpha quals.

the egyptian stuff is weird. who else thinks richard is thousands of years old?

Seriously

05-07-2009, 03:11 PM

I wish they would give us more info on Richard. I was hoping this last episode would be about him but no go. Why isn't he the leader and what's up Jacob?

So many questions still unanswered....

Rohsiph

05-07-2009, 03:29 PM

At least ol' Rich is playing a more and more direct role--I won't be surprised if the finale does some Richard flashbacks, though also won't be surprised if it just barrels straight ahead like the latest episode.

I've liked Jack's conflict a lot better this season. Especially impressed with his responses to Kate last night.

Kate's 'core' episode this season made me reconsider taking her more seriously, but I agree her response last night set me back.

If nothing else, I'm hoping whatever Jack manages is enough to bring Faraday back. I don't expect it to fix *everything*--this would essentially negate everything Locke's up to in the 'present'--but I'll be disappointed if Faraday's story is truly over.

altoid

05-07-2009, 03:50 PM

I wish they would give us more info on Richard.

Yes! I would guess he's very different from the other characters, and not only because he doesn't age. I have been intrigued since he was trying to convince Juliet to join their cause last(?) season. She offhandedly commented/joked to Richard that her ex would have to get hit by a bus first. Shortly after that.....BAM!

rvangelder

05-07-2009, 06:15 PM

Shortly after that.....BAM!

yeh, that freaked me out really. people able to shape events like that make me nervous, even if it is make believe :P

LPM

05-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Yea I was about done with Jack last season but they are making him more likable this time around. Kate on the other hand...well I'm waiting for Juliet to take care of her. :D

Juliet's the annoying one. I like Kate. :p

I was bummed Faraday got killed off last week. And his mother in the the 70's is an interesting character. I hope we get more of her, and I hope she's able to bring her son back. Though I don't like the is he dead or not questions.

I like the new kick ass confident Locke. I love he and Ben trying to kill each other. Ben is just completely awesome.

And the interplay between Miles and his dad was great.

Not the best episode last night but still good.

I didn't realize the season is going to be over so soon. What will I do without LOST to get me through the middle of the week??

LOST is the only TV I'm watching right now except for The Office which is hit or miss these days.

rvangelder

05-07-2009, 08:41 PM

im happy the series is ending. it gives the writers something to be pumped about.
i just hope they do something like it again, as a different series... without (crybaby) jack.

i also watch house

curiousjane

05-07-2009, 10:55 PM

I think Richard is a priest of the temple of the three-toed giant and keeper of the smoke monster. I also think he could be Jacob, or at least pretending to provide the words of Jacob to the masses. If he isn't the man behind the curtain, then he is most certainly the keeper of the gate.

Has he found the fountain of youth? If so, why do the others age? And why, if Ben's innocence was taken by whatever saved his life (I assume the same thing that keeps Richard so young), then why isn't he perpetually young, as well?

Faraday dead is bumming me out. He was a favorite character. His flashback episode was particularly heart-breaking. To think his mother was trying to save his life by prodding him onward in his research. She had an odd way of showing she cared, but there you have it. I suspect she is INTJ. :p

I do like the Miles and creepy Dr. Scientist Video guy. So cool that he saw the real reason his mom and he were without his father all those years.

I was ticked off that they put Kate on the sub. I like her, but still. Just when you think that Sawyer and Juliet will just disappear into 1977 and be at peace at last. I like the kinder, gentler, more in charge Sawyer. If they make him all snarky and mean and rebellious again without keeping him out of a love quadrangle ... urgh. Some plots are just overdone. Multiple love interests is one of them.

Jack at least is turning slightly Locke-like with his whole new belief in the Island. Having him NOT in charge is an interesting turn of events, although I suspect that will soon change.

Juliet. Does anyone get her? I still don't understand what her motivation is. I like her. But I don't trust her.

zibber

05-08-2009, 03:27 AM

Dang, what a brilliant episode. Some Back to the Future I shit right there.

Locke has just become this awesome island god, taking everything into his own hands. I think we'll finally come to know Jacob before the season is done, namely as a dead dude. The flash of him in season 3 or 4 was intriguing, almost looked like an older Locke.

I hope the folks in the 70s don't actually succeed; why would they want to erase everything that they have been through? The entire point of the show is to follow them through their trials on the way to redemption, no way in hell will everything be undone. Besides, you can't change the past. That's the rules.

Dead is dead is another rule, but John Locke is making me question it. Is he dead? The island (or smokey, rather) has manifested as a lot of dead people. At first, I thought Locke was no different. He's very active, though; would the island really involve itself so directly, or is this undead Locke autonomous?

Richard Alpert is way more clueless than I'd first thought. Maybe he is just the guardian of the temple, or some sort of priest. He might be dead. He might have ancient ancestry, namely of the four toed statue kind.

Hurley was hilarious with Chang/Halliwax/Candle. I'm goddam stoked to find out about the Hurley bird.

"You're 46?"
".. yeah dude."
"Who's the president?"
"..... okay dude, we're from the future."

Juliet. Does anyone get her? I still don't understand what her motivation is. I like her. But I don't trust her.

I'm sympathetic towards her character. She got boned majorly by Ben, hasn't seen her sister in about six years, lost a ton of mothers during delivery, basically played rebound girl for Jack after Kate got some lovin' from Sawyer and is now seeing Kate probably try to take her new beau back. That's kind of shitty.

ps. I'm almost done rewatching seasons 1-4, by the way. It's kind of surreal when I watch an actual new episode now, since I'm not really "in the present" in terms of the timeline. I'm all over the place. The fun thing is that every character clearly sticks out in my head and I watch the show with sort of a condensed knowledge of the multiseasonal arc and structure. This opens up all sorts of new discoveries, like seeing Ben lie all the time and realizing that Locke has been talking with the island basically since the start. I can recommend it :)

Claptonian

05-09-2009, 02:00 AM

The flash of him in season 3 or 4 was intriguing, almost looked like an older Locke.

Now that's interesting. What if Jacob is Locke from a later timeline? I kind of doubt it, but interesting nonetheless.

It seems to me that with all the build-up, Jacob can't be just some new character. He has to be connected to the backstories of the other characters in order for it to be a satisfying revelation.

zibber

05-09-2009, 03:14 AM

Now that's interesting. What if Jacob is Locke from a later timeline? I kind of doubt it, but interesting nonetheless.

It seems to me that with all the build-up, Jacob can't be just some new character. He has to be connected to the backstories of the other characters in order for it to be a satisfying revelation.

Oh I doubt it very much, hah. It was just a flash of recognition. Besides, there's a big problem with my theory, namely hair :) (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

By the way, how nice was it when John revealed Ben had never actually seen Jacob? I recently saw the episode where Ben first took Locke to the cabin, and he was on some Norman Bates shit after all.

WayBehind

05-11-2009, 05:39 PM

I bailed this season after episode 6. The acting went to hell, the time travel made no sense, the plot didn't seem to be going anywhere, and they still hadn't answered any questions (while piling on a few more). When Kate didn't look hot for the first time ever in episode 5 I knew the show was in trouble. :)

Rohsiph

05-12-2009, 01:52 PM

Seriously

05-12-2009, 02:03 PM

What I want to know is where/when the heck Clare is!

WayBehind

05-13-2009, 06:49 AM

WayBehind, I'm curious to learn what specifically in episodes 1-6 this season led you to such a resentful view of where the show has been going.

Particularly, I'm wondering how you would go about arguing how "the acting went to hell"--at the very least, I think quite of the few performers have been showing off their absolute best this season, most notably Ben, Locke, and Richard Alpert. I think I could be swayed to agree that some performers, particularly Sun and Juliet, have perhaps 'lost' something (pardon the terrible pun), but I'm left baffled at how, in general, you might have concluded that "the acting went to hell," among your other gripes.

Help me to understand--or not. It's alright if 'opinions are simply opinions,' though I try to assume the benefit that most of the members on this forum have the capacity to back up their opinions with examples :)

After talking to the friend who got me into Lost, the perceived drop in acting quality could be entirely on my end, as I also recently stopped watching Heroes and House seems to have taken a turn for the worse as well (though the friend said he loved the finale, I wasn't that thrilled about it).

So it's hard to quantify, but I just get the feeling that the actors just aren't as in to their roles as they were before, though it could just be bad writing. I'll agree Jack and Ben have been fine, and Juliet has always bugged me, but Locke and Sawyer were pretty horrible before I stopped watching (Locke is now a simpleton and Sawyer seems to have lost his conman edge). Again, tough to put into words, I'm just not "feeling it" when I watch them. Sun and her new found lazy eye won't be up for any awards in the near future either.

And I didn't imagine Kate's non-hotness after she was dumped in Jack's apartment. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining the lack of answers; if they'd given me something I'd probably still be watching.

LPM

05-13-2009, 08:03 AM

What I want to know is where/when the heck Clare is!

Didn't we see Claire die a couple seasons ago?

zibber

05-13-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining the lack of answers; if they'd given me something I'd probably still be watching.

Not to offend, but answer-wise, this season has been especially gratifying. 100% imagination on your part. (Objectively, if you tallied all the "answers" this season has given, it's possibly #1 out of all of them.) Honestly, I don't know what the hell show you've been watching!

What I want to know is where/when the heck Clare is!

With Christian, of course!

Didn't we see Claire die a couple seasons ago?

She got blown up but seemingly survived. Seemingly ;)

Seriously

05-13-2009, 09:01 AM

I know she is with Christian but why haven't we seen her again. Can you tell it's bugging me???

We've got big plans for tonight. Going to Alamo Drafthouse to watch it on the big screen while being served by waiters in Dharma uniforms. :D

lancelot

05-13-2009, 09:18 AM

I like the show lost, it's full of imagination and creativity. I also like the way they resolve, and explain the unusual and bazaar events.

LPM

05-13-2009, 10:03 AM

I know she is with Christian but why haven't we seen her again. Can you tell it's bugging me???

My interpretation of that scene was that Christian and Claire were together because they were both dead, and it was one of those ghost appearances that seems to happen a lot on the island. No?

Seriously

05-13-2009, 10:14 AM

You think she died in the explosion and is like Christian? Interesting theory. Still since she showed up there has to be a reason for her to still be on the island. Maybe we will see her tonight when Locke finds Jacob.

WayBehind

05-13-2009, 12:13 PM

Not to offend, but answer-wise, this season has been especially gratifying. 100% imagination on your part. (Objectively, if you tallied all the "answers" this season has given, it's possibly #1 out of all of them.) Honestly, I don't know what the hell show you've been watching!

Well, maybe they have given some answers since I stopped watching, but there weren't any at the beginning of the season. I saw the Oceanic crew jumping through time while the Others didn't, but Juliet is an Other and she was jumping as well. Has that been explained? How about that giant statue? Smoke monster? What happened to Aaron and Kate that got her to go back to the island? Why did they all get stuck in the Dharma past? What does ghost whisperer guy have to do with the island? How did his ability to hear dead people manifest? What's the coming war all about? How can the island move through time? How did Dharma come to find out about the island and build that lame pendulum room? How old is Richard and why doesn't he seem to age? How is Locke special? What's really going on with Jack's dad? Claire (dead or not)? What exactly happened to Daniel? Is he outside his normal timeline? Who are the Others? Were they always on the island? Why do they pick specific leaders when they have Richard? Who/what is Jacob?

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Half of those questions are brand new from the beginning of this season and some of the others carry over from the very beginning of the series. If you have definitive answers to any of those please share them.

Rohsiph

05-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Oooh . . . well I appreciate your response above, so I'll go piece by piece here.

Edit: Putting it into 'spoilers' because it's long on the page, though I've tried to avoid actual (or at least direct) spoilers.

I saw the Oceanic crew jumping through time while the Others didn't, but Juliet is an Other and she was jumping as well. Has that been explained?
Yes.
How about that giant statue?
Not entirely, but there's a lot more light than there was when it first appeared in the season 2 (is that right?) finale.
Smoke monster?
Same as the statue--closer to an answer, though not totally clear. What happened to Aaron and Kate that got her to go back to the island?
Yes.
Why did they all get stuck in the Dharma past?
We seem to be getting there--this should be in tonight's finale. What does ghost whisperer guy have to do with the island?
One connection has been made explicit, though I don't know if I'd go so far to say everything about him is clear. How did his ability to hear dead people manifest?
They gave us enough to make solidly-based conjectures about this, though didn't tell us directly.
What's the coming war all about?
That's still a mystery.
How can the island move through time?
Faraday explained the time stuff well enough for me. How did Dharma come to find out about the island and build that lame pendulum room?
Not answered. How old is Richard and why doesn't he seem to age?
Not answered, but closer. How is Locke special?
I don't think the show will ever tell us directly . . . but I think there are enough hints to feel safe in building theories by now. What's really going on with Jack's dad? Claire (dead or not)?
Probably major questions for next season--folks have been speculating this since about where you left off. What exactly happened to Daniel? Is he outside his normal timeline?
We got answers about Daniel. Who are the Others? Were they always on the island? Why do they pick specific leaders when they have Richard? Who/what is Jacob?
Yeah, those are still pretty unclear.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Half of those questions are brand new from the beginning of this season and some of the others carry over from the very beginning of the series. If you have definitive answers to any of those please share them.

Well, hopefully you won't mind what I've done here. I want you to watch this season, because I honestly think it has been the best yet. If it's any indication, my favorite pre-season 5 episode was last year's "The Constant." There have been two episodes this season that I'm considering might be better.

Hopefully you're just in a mood that's making it hard for you to enjoy entertainment like LOST and House--hopefully it's a mood that'll pass. I really think there's a lot to like :)

rvangelder

05-14-2009, 04:04 AM

Oh, tonight's episode (double episode finale) was - just - sooo - good!

Frodis

05-14-2009, 08:08 AM

Who/what is Jacob?
This was the big theme of last night's epi. We now sorta know who Jacob is, but it's still not clear 'what' he is (or represents).

It was a great episode. Major cliffhanger!

rvangelder

05-14-2009, 01:56 PM

This was the big theme of last night's epi. We now sorta know who Jacob is, but it's still not clear 'what' he is (or represents).

We know that a recurring theme of the series has been good versus evil, wrong versus right, balance. The Wikipedia entry (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.(TV_series)#Recurring_elements) briefly mentions it too.
I'm leaning toward the two men on the beach (one being Jacob) being "good" vs "evil". Even their clothing was black versus white.

Rohsiph

05-14-2009, 04:25 PM

Oh, tonight's episode (double episode finale) was - just - sooo - good!

:)

Favorite parts (in spoilers in case folks DVR / are waiting for foreign airings)

-Jack unloading a pistol after Ben's dad shot Sayid. I love it when characters just 'snap' like that--the way he just walked forward into gunfire shooting back for a few seconds, then finally realized how unprotected he was . . . my favorite Jack moment yet.
-Shortly thereafter, Hurley yet again driving a Dharma bus into the fray to save the day.
-Locke putting everything into perspective for Ben . . . I've always been sympathetic for the poor ol' liar, last night I was with him the whole way.
-Jack drops the bomb, tension is probably at the highest point in a maddening episode--and it doesn't explode. Then all hell breaks loose, especially entertaining was security-pawn's death.
-In general: trying to track Jacob's motivations . . . it's a mess--is he good? is he evil? I'm hoping it's much more complicated than that.
-Also: realizing it wasn't Jacob that Locke heard in the creepy cabin however long ago.

Heretic25

05-15-2009, 06:25 AM

I like Lost.I used to love it , but now i dont.Probably because there is a lot of tension and cliffhangers in the series.After 5 seasons you dont get that excited anymore.Also the plot is getting more and more....ahm...pathetic.If it was any other series I would have already dropped it. Bullshit about timetraver, immortals, mysterious statues, buildings, monsters...They better have a good way to finish this mess in the last season.
I dont like most of the characters.I liked Ben, but after they made him a pathetic, infantile man with daddy issues you cant really like him, can you?

zibber

05-15-2009, 01:24 PM

You asked for it, boss ;)

(NB: When I mention "LOST's mythology", I mean to convey that there are certain notions viewers should just accept as truth. There is no actual scientific explanation for every single aspect of the island. What matters is that within the mythological framework, everything is perfectly logical. Trust me.)

I saw the Oceanic crew jumping through time while the Others didn't, but Juliet is an Other and she was jumping as well. Has that been explained?

What does the fact that she was originally recruited by the Others/Hostiles have to do with the path that she was given? She has had a significant part to play in 1977. Delivering Ethan, helping Kate, Hurley and Jack get into the Dharma Initiative. She was also put in 1977 for three years to find love, with Sawyer. Sawyer will always have feelings for Kate, but he had decided on sticking with Juliet. The island wanted her in 1977.

How about that giant statue?

It was built by the ancestors of Richard (Ricardus), Jacob and Jacob's nemesis (Locke 2.0).

Smoke monster?

It is an ancient entity, possibly (the manifestation of) a deity. It seems to reside near the Temple (built by the ancestors of Richard, Jacob and Locke 2.0) and is depicted in the hieroglyphs found there. Among its functions are judging certain characters (in recent history, Mr. Eko and Benjamin Linus) and serving as a sort of security system protecting the island against outsiders. It can show people events from their history and also seems to be able to facilitate the appearance of deceased people (on behalf of the island). It is the source of the whispers heard throughout the series. It is summoned by draining a small puddle of water in a cavern beneath Benjamin Linus' old house in Dharmaville.

What happened to Aaron and Kate that got her to go back to the island?

During her talk with the mother of Sawyer's child, she realized that she had used Aaron to get over Sawyer leaving her (by jumping from the chopper). She decided to give Aaron to his grandmother and return to the island to find Aaron's mother.

Why did they all get stuck in the Dharma past?

They needed to be there (unintentionally) to ensure that a number of events took place. It was also a chance for Miles to come into contact with his father and for Sawyer and Juliet to experience some semblance of a healthy romantic relationship.

What does ghost whisperer guy have to do with the island?

Miles Chang is the son of Dr. Pierre Chang, the head scientist in the Dharma Initiative. By Pierre's request, Miles' mother left the island with baby Miles on the subway, right before the incident. Witnessing this in 1977 allowed him to have peace with his father's absence in his adult life.

How did his ability to hear dead people manifest?

It is unknown how it originated, but it has been made very clear that in LOST's mythology, dead people still live on in some way. If necessary, dead people whose body is present on the island can manifest (courtesy of the "Monster"). Miles is sensitive to these presences (as long as he is near corpses).

What's the coming war all about?

There is reason to believe that "the war" is essentially a conflict between Jacob and an as of yet unnamed man. The unnamed man has for a very long time (at least since the Black Rock's initial appearance in the 19th century) been searching for a loophole in the island's rules, in order to kill Jacob. Finally, he manages to appear on the island as Locke and trick Jacob's people into leading him to Jacob's residence at the foot of the statue. He then proceeds to con Ben into killing Jacob for him, thus apparently not breaking the rules.

It is interesting to add that the same rules apply to Benjamin Linus and Charles Widmore, successive leaders of Jacob's people. Ben succeeded Widmore after having him banished from the island and, while Widmore frantically has been trying (at least for three decades) to return, both men would like nothing more than to see each other dead. The same sentiment was expressed to Jacob by his nemesis.

How can the island move through time?

The island doesn't move through time. It can shift people through time (with certain physiological consequences).

In LOST's mythology, the island is one of a number of geographical locations with unique electromagnetic properties. Throughout the times, several (groups of) people have come to be able to manipulate these. The mechanism that allows the island to "move" was apparently built by the ancestors of Jacob and his people.

How did Dharma come to find out about the island and build that lame pendulum room?

The Hanso Foundation, which funds the Dharma Initiative is run by Aalvar Hanso, great-grandson of Magnus Hanso. Magnus Hanso was basically shown the way to the island by Jacob in the 19th century, and reached it on a ship called the Black Rock. It is unknown why Magnus sought the island, but it explains Aalvar's interest. The Dharma Initiative was started by two scientists from the University of Michigan (at Ann Arbor), the DeGroots, interested in researching the unique electromagnetic properties found at several places across the world (including Los Angeles and the island). They found the island using the Lamp Post station, which was built on a geographic location connected to that of the island.

How old is Richard and why doesn't he seem to age?

Ah!

Richard (Ricardus), Jacob and the unnamed nemesis of Jacob are descendants or members of some sort of ancient tribe inhabiting the island. They are essentially no different than the other people on the island, but they have somehow found a way to stop aging. (It is known that the Hanso foundation, which is behind the Dharma Initiative, has among its goals on the island the pursuit of exactly this.) There are now at least three people on the island who belong to this group. There are Richard, Jacob and the unnamed man. Jacob and his nemesis clearly either have powers or are helped in a "supernatural" way by the island and Richard seems a bit of a third man out, in this regard. For many decades, he has served as a sort of advisor to whomever has lead Jacob's people, but many things have been held from him.

How is Locke special?

John Locke may not be very special. It is possible that his emergence as leader of Jacob's people was part of a con by Jacob's nemesis. The "John Locke" you have been seeing is in fact Jacob's nemesis somehow posing as Locke.

What's really going on with Jack's dad?

Christian's spirit manifests with the help of the island to guide characters and generally to nudge situations in the right direction. In this respect, he is similar to the ghosts of Walt,

Claire (dead or not)?

I am afraid so, although it isn't certain yet. In any event, she or her spirit have been spending time with the sort of spirit of her father, Christian, who may just have been Jacob's nemesis. It is certain that Jacob was not using that cabin Christian and Claire were in.

What exactly happened to Daniel? Is he outside his normal timeline?

Why would he be? Daniel is in the 70s. After the gang got captured by the Dharma Initiative, Daniel got on the submarine and ended up going through all of his theoretical work in Ann Arbor. He joined the Dharma Initiative there and after three years, returned to the island to warn Pierre Chang to stop drilling at the Swan site. Oh, and he's the kid of Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking, who seem to have been successive leaders of Jacob's people.

Who are the Others? Were they always on the island?

Most of them are mortals who are perpetually replaced, but Richard and Jacob seem to have been around for a long time and have at some point become ageless. (They can still be killed like anyone else, though.) They seem to descend from a people that has been on the island for a long time, and have always acted as guardians of the island. They have a temple on the island and are able to summon the "Monster", among other things.

Why do they pick specific leaders when they have Richard?

Richard is only an advisor. There is seemingly a need to have a leader other than Richard or Jacob (or Jacob's nemesis, who at some point seems to have gone his own way or has been banished). I am very curious about this, myself. The structure and concrete history of Jacob's people has only partially been revealed. We have been shown many structures and hieroglyphs, depicting among other things an Egyptian-looking deity (depicted by the statue) and the smoke.

Who/what is Jacob?

Jacob is either a member or a descendant of a people who have inhabited the island for a very long time. Of these people, as I said, we now know Jacob, Richard and Jacob's nemesis. Jacob's backstory will become clear in the final season, but his recent activities have dominated the series so far. He has been instrumental in getting people to the island and helping them find redemption. He has also kept himself busy with the protection of the island. He was killed by a bitter, confused Benjamin Linus at the suggestion of his nemesis, who had been seeking his death for over a century.

I like Lost.I used to love it , but now i dont.Probably because there is a lot of tension and cliffhangers in the series.After 5 seasons you dont get that excited anymore.Also the plot is getting more and more....ahm...pathetic. ... Bullshit about timetraver, immortals, mysterious statues, buildings, monsters...They better have a good way to finish this mess in the last season.

What do you dislike? This is a show with its own mythology, which isn't always scientifically logical. Do you want a list of great shows with magical elements? (Rhetoric.)

As for the plot, it has been structured from day one. No questions are asked without the answers already being crystal clear in the minds of the writers. There is very deep internal consistency. Rewatching the whole series, I have just been baffled by all the "new" things I noticed as a result of my global knowledge of the characters' personalities and the show's mythology.

I dont like most of the characters.I liked Ben, but after they made him a pathetic, infantile man with daddy issues you cant really like him, can you?

Nobody made him that; Benjamin Linus has always been the way he is, from his first appearance to the present. He was not different in earlier seasons, we are just getting to know him a lot better. Ben's path is unfortunate, but he has had some moments of redemption.

Namely: killing two people that affected his position of leadership, which he had dreamed of attaining for a long time.

LPM

05-15-2009, 06:40 PM

Zibber: great info. Thanks. Where did you get this?

The finale was great as usual. Not sure how I feel about the Jacob/Jacob's nemesis thing yet, but it looks like it could be interesting. I agree I've been disappointed with the wussification of Ben. Oh well. It's going to be hard to wait until next January for the final season.

imfrndly2u

05-15-2009, 07:02 PM

LPM

05-15-2009, 07:11 PM

I loved Lost, but lost my love during the second season. Too much to keep up with on my schedule. I became a "girls next door" fan. Very very simple plot, but disgustingly addictive. I could miss several episodes and didn't have to go back and catch up on what I missed.

Yeah LOST is a very, very simple plot. Is this compared to the average TV series which has a very, very, very, very simple plot?

imfrndly2u

05-15-2009, 07:59 PM

I meant Girls Next Door has a very simple plot... I missed several episodes of LOST right after the second season and never quite recovered from that. It was good while it lasted though.

LPM

05-15-2009, 08:43 PM

I meant Girls Next Door has a very simple plot... I missed several episodes of LOST right after the second season and never quite recovered from that. It was good while it lasted though.

ah. my bad.

zibber

05-15-2009, 11:56 PM

Zibber: great info. Thanks. Where did you get this?

Watching a shitload of Lost and browsing Lostpedia to keep the big picture :)

There might still be some swerves, though..

Like Jacob's nemesis possibly being (one of) the smoke monster(s).

Antares

05-16-2009, 02:28 AM

I watched two seasons of Lost over the holidays and got quite hooked, but it went downhill from there; not horribly, but it just doesn't keep me wanting more. Maybe because I have ADD, if I don't see a TV show for some times, I lose interest. That's what happened with Prison Break (that was one dying too. I tried to watch the first episode of S3. I was so bored it wasn't even funny). My favorite characters were Ben, Sayid, Locke and Sawyer. Ben because he's such a kickass villain; unpredictable and coldly calculating. Sayid is honest, good-willed and quite lovable. Locke is a different story. He frustrates me to no end, but always manages to maintain some of my affection for him. Sawyer is just a smart mouth and an extremely resourceful character; unless he turns into a mushy, I don't think he can do anything that can make me dislike him. I prefer him with Ana Lucia, to be honest, another one of my favorite characters. I didn't list her because she was unfortunately killed off after only a short time on the show.

lambpox

05-16-2009, 12:49 PM

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oh, and best part of the finale:

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Rohsiph

02-04-2010, 07:23 AM

final season? what?

Let's talk synchronity? Kierkegaard? Mysterious anomalies?

Doppelbock

02-04-2010, 09:41 AM

Two alternate realities/timelines. Flash-sideways instead of flashbacks and flashforwards. I love it!

Malkavia

02-04-2010, 09:55 AM

I am so excited for this final season. Its about time they start wrapping things up and we know who the black monster is now!

Kisai

02-04-2010, 10:24 AM

themuzicman

02-04-2010, 11:01 AM

Admittedly, I'm not a big LOST fan, but I see it occasionally, and hear about it enough from family and co-workers. And from what I've seen so far, it sounds like Fonzie is about to hit the ramp.

Am I wrong?

Zodd

02-04-2010, 11:19 AM

Season 4 was not so well liked I remember, but season 5 was.
They completely took turn after the first seasons. First it was about people being crashed on an island, an island with some mysteries, some people disseapering it was about surviving and it's dillema's, after that a long time about "the others". They would go on this cool trips on the island, which was very cool.
But then it was all about Dharma, timetravel, Jacob, Charles Whitmore, Benjamin Linas and not at all about survival anymore.

rara avis

02-04-2010, 11:21 AM

I don't think so, not necessarily. You have to kind of understand the nature of the show- what they're doing now is not so bad, when seen in context.

The show is one big Fonzie ramp to begin with, I think. I mean, the first season? It's pretty hard to hang on, there are just a lot of dumb/odd stunts and dramatic close ups and not much else to engage your interest. You have to have a certain kind of willingness to go along for the ride in order to enjoy the show in the first place, I suppose. I watched the first season on DVD while I had the flu, and got it out of the way. I think by the last episode of the first season, I got curious about what came next. Had I been watching it on regular broadcast, one week at a time with commercial breaks, I never would have caught on to it.

For me, I'm in far enough that I'm vested in seeing where they land the thing. It's all part of the earnestly implausible flow of the storyline.

Shauru

02-04-2010, 11:26 AM

Eh. At this point I see what you're saying. I really liked it early on, but the plot has gotten rather convoluted and now that I'm coming back to it I see that some of the acting is sub par.

I suspect that the ending is probably going to piss a whole bunch of people off. They dug themselves a huge hole trying to chase 3 extra seasons for $$$. And now a 6th solely for the purpose of explaining how screwed up this all got.

Doppelbock

02-04-2010, 11:29 AM

Yes, you are wrong. The Season 6 premiere was one of the best episodes ever.

Shauru

02-04-2010, 11:32 AM

Yes, you are wrong. The Season 6 premiere was one of the best episodes ever.

Actually I kind of disagree with that. After so long I had a terrible time getting myself back into it. And I just caught on now how bad the guy who plays Sawyers acting is.

Shauru

02-04-2010, 11:38 AM

I think the 'alternate-universe-everyone-lands-safely' is the real ending that takes place after the events on the island.

That's what I'm thinking, however. That would be horrible.

"Oh well it's been a great 5 years on an island. It was all NOT a dream, but you all had to be here to do something which we don't know, which is obviously not going to end up effecting any of you at all. And you won't remember it."

jikin

02-04-2010, 12:01 PM

I think the 'alternate-universe-everyone-lands-safely' is the real ending that takes place after the events on the island.

I don't think that will be the case, but then Jack does tell John that nothing is irreversable.

Were you bothered at all by the fact that the only reason John was on the plane in the original time line was because the transporter told him to be, yet he still is on the plane and for the same reason (walkabout) in the new timeline?

Desmond....well...he bothers me on multiple levels. I like him, but too much has always hinged on him, even though he is so unassuming. (and oblivious)

Jacob: is he actually the benevolent being that he seems to be, or is he actually the bad guy? I really can't decide.

Kisai

02-04-2010, 01:32 PM

jikin

02-04-2010, 01:46 PM

The transporter told Locke in the hospital, after he was defenestrated, to go on a walkabout.

John Locke is coming back from Sydney because he was denied the opportunity to go on walkabout. He lied to Boone about being in the bush for 10 days.

Yes....but part of the transporter's job is "getting people where they need to be" which was supposedly the island in John's case. If the island is underwater in this new universe, it doesn't seem to reason the transporter would still suggest him to go on the walkabout. So: did the transporter still send him to Australia? If so, then for what reason? If he didn't send him, then why did John get it in his mind to go without suggestion? Just an extreme coincidence? It seems odd the writers would have overlooked this.

azelismia

02-04-2010, 02:17 PM

jikin

02-04-2010, 02:20 PM

what's the draw of this show summed up?

Trying to figure out what on earth is actually going on. The satisfaction is in the frustration.

Kisai

02-04-2010, 07:17 PM

Yes....but part of the transporter's job is "getting people where they need to be" which was supposedly the island in John's case. If the island is underwater in this new universe, it doesn't seem to reason the transporter would still suggest him to go on the walkabout. So: did the transporter still send him to Australia? If so, then for what reason? If he didn't send him, then why did John get it in his mind to go without suggestion? Just an extreme coincidence? It seems odd the writers would have overlooked this.

Naw. Jacob transcends time and space. If he can give Hurley a note to give to the Others to have Sayid fixed up, then he can appear in front of the transporter or Charles Widmore and tell them what to do.

visitor

02-05-2010, 12:38 AM

I don't enjoy LOST for their characters. It's like a prime-time sci-fi soap opera. Most of them are annoying because most of them are sensors. I appreciate LOST for it being a network television show that's made like a film. The fact that they film and edit an episode in 10 days is amazing. The set decoration is also awesome. Their CGI is meh. What can you do in that amount of time and budget?

Rohsiph

02-05-2010, 04:00 AM

Initially the characters turned me off. I actually gave up early on through the first season. But then my TV was on when John opened the Hatch and I was hooked: what is this installation doing on a "desert island?" And some of the characters have grown on me since then.

Desmond's time-conundrums in season three, and the increasing amount of sci-fi concept work since, have amped my interest considerably. For LOST and Breaking Bad I will go far out of my way to keep myself up-to-date with episodes and information. Anything else I won't mind missing a little here, a little there. Everything else is just entertainment. But LOST is one of the few that inspires me beyond that.

I wondered if the "safe landing" universe could be the result of some additional island work that's progressing in the "back to the island" universe, but by the end of the premiere I got a stronger intuition that somehow both stories are happening (literally) simultaneously--even though one is 2004 and one is 2007. Quips from the producers suggest both stories will intersect in meaningful ways before the conclusion.

Rohsiph

02-05-2010, 04:15 AM

So you don't like Sawyer's acting . . . how do you think he should have played his role differently? I'll agree his bursts of anger in the S6 premiere were a little awkward, but considering what the character "experienced" in the 30 minutes prior to the premiere it made sense to me . . .

And would you really say Locke's acting was bad? I think he showed us incredible talent by playing two polar-opposite versions of his character in the premiere.

Jack, Hurley, Kate, Miles, etc., I wouldn't nominate for awards based on the one episode . . . but sub-par? All of them? Even more than one? And then I'm curious: what would you present as "good" acting?

Antares

02-05-2010, 05:30 AM

I don't know. I lost interest after Season 2, and haven't been able to get back into it. It just wasn't interesting anymore.

zibber

02-05-2010, 06:57 AM

It's so easy to pick on Lost.

It's also very easy to LOVE the shit out of Lost.

I pick option two. For the last five years, Lindelof and Cuse have meticulously been constructing an intricate mythology, slowly unraveling an awesome little microcosm with its own logic (stuff like "the rules" and "dead is dead") and loyal fans have consistently been rewarded.

And yes, 6x01-02 was crazy awesome. I don't see how an actual Lost fan could disagree with that. Smokey is finally revealed, we FINALLY get to see the fucking Temple, they start a crazy dual timeline thing (with the "new" timeline having fucked up little details like Desmond on the plane and Jack's dad missing and Hurley channeling Jacob! (I wonder if that's really Sayid..) Also, motherfucking DOGEN. He doesn't like the taste of English.

I suspect that the ending is probably going to piss a whole bunch of people off. They dug themselves a huge hole trying to chase 3 extra seasons for $$$. And now a 6th solely for the purpose of explaining how screwed up this all got.

You are forgetting that the basic plot had been conceived before the show started. Yes, S4 was a bit slow, since "the studio" had demanded another season (I think L&C's original idea was 4 or 5 seasons and a movie), but there is no mess whatsoever. As the writers often say: "we never introduce a question without knowing the answer in advance". S6 will be a nice, comprehensive resolution of any gaps that had (intentionally!) been left.

Gloed

02-05-2010, 12:08 PM

Is it me or did the acting turn really bad?

Still, by the end of the episode, i wanted to see the next one.

Seriously

02-05-2010, 12:16 PM

How can it jump the shark when this is the last season? It's not like they are trying desperately to keep it going. If anything they are going out on top and with a bang.

visitor

02-05-2010, 01:33 PM

I think the 'alternate-universe-everyone-lands-safely' is the real ending that takes place after the events on the island.

Why Desmond is on the plane, I have no idea, Maybe because he's an exception to the rules?

Juliette said, "It worked." I'm assuming they stopped the bomb from going off which attracted people to crashing on the island. Oceanic never crashed and Desmond's boat never crashed. Currently, they're in two time planes. Another big event needs to occur to explain this.

Seriously

02-05-2010, 01:43 PM

Juliette said, "It worked." I'm assuming they stopped the bomb from going off which attracted people to crashing on the island. Oceanic never crashed and Desmond's boat never crashed. Currently, they're in two time planes. Another big event needs to occur to explain this.

That's my thinking as well. Also Juliette would be alive in the universe where the plane didn't crash.

Rohsiph

02-05-2010, 06:49 PM

Is it me or did the acting turn really bad?

Still, by the end of the episode, i wanted to see the next one.

Who do you think under-performed? IMO, LOST shows off some of the best acting talent on network television. Of course there's Hugh Laurie to contend with, but otherwise I think it's pretty consistently the best.

Shauru

02-05-2010, 08:54 PM

Wow ok jump on me.
I only said Sawyer's specific acting this time was bad.

And Zibb, lets not forget. This was supposed to be a 2 season show. And I've watched enough Sci Fi to know a cliche time wasting time paradox when I see one.

zibber

02-06-2010, 05:37 AM

And Zibb, lets not forget. This was supposed to be a 2 season show. And I've watched enough Sci Fi to know a cliche time wasting time paradox when I see one.

I don't know about your sci-fi experience (thankfully mine is limited enough to find the current storyline really fresh and interesting ;)), but where did you hear it would be a two season show?

zibber

02-06-2010, 05:48 AM

Also: what's up with the cut on Jack's neck?

what's the draw of this show summed up?

There's an old ass tribe on an island with very weird temporal and magnetic qualities, and the two (first?) leaders of the tribe have basically been feuding for at least four centuries, one of them working very hard to find a way to kill the other. (Successive leaders aren't physically able to kill one another, for some reason.) In the 1970s, the island was invaded by a spiritual/scientific organization that started to do experiments on the island, but they got wiped out after the tribe recruited one of their people over the course of about two decades and eventually purged their barracks. The deserter quickly became leader of the tribe and started a feud with the previous leader, in parallel to the aforementioned feud. An electromagnetic event caused a plane flying from Sydney to Los Angeles to crash on the island in the early 2000s, and the show has basically followed the survivors and their experiences on the island.

Seducer

02-06-2010, 07:19 AM

Shauru

02-06-2010, 07:29 AM

Hrm. That's really odd. I very specifically remember it being mentioned before. But right now I'm having a hard time finding an article on it. Let me get back to you on that.

Seriously

02-06-2010, 09:50 AM

Hrm. That's really odd. I very specifically remember it being mentioned before. But right now I'm having a hard time finding an article on it. Let me get back to you on that.

Someone else told me that today. I'd be curious to see the article as well.

lambpox

02-06-2010, 10:47 AM

I think the acting was very good! Especially from Michael Emerson as Ben (like always) and Terry O'Quinn as Fake!Locke. I thought the Season Six premiere was brilliant. I wrote a long-winded review on it for my school paper for February, even. ;)

Kisai

02-06-2010, 01:21 PM

I like Benjamin Linus' and Mr. Ecko's and Hurley's and Sayid's actor's acting. Everyone else is okay.

And the show got off track in Season 2, but it hasn't jumped the shark.

rwm4768

02-06-2010, 08:01 PM

I actually just watched the first two episodes of season six today, and while I will admit that it has gone beyond strange, I still want to watch more.

I will agree that some of the acting is not exactly award-winning. I found some of Sawyer's and Jack's outbursts of anger a little over the top, but then again, it's very difficult to put myself in that position and try to think how I would act.

jhpark

02-06-2010, 08:44 PM

i like the show because of john locke vs. jack vs. ben, particularly in the hatch and when ben linus first comes on the scene.

there's been a lot of garbage on the show since then and it's not nearly as fun as it used to be. actually, i'm not sure the show really ever beat its first season -- and now i'm not remembering if they got into the hatch in the first season or not.

anyway. i didn't notice any of the tail end people on the plane -- eko, the female cop, etc.

Rohsiph

02-06-2010, 11:30 PM

Nah, I dislike Lost because of all the questions, mysteries, and cliffhangers. I like closure and I like to get it quickly. Judgers are supposed to like closure. I'm surprised there's a bunch of INTJ's who like that show. Also, watching Lost involves paying close attention to a lot of details (sensing) and I don't like to do that either, unless it's for something important to me in a real life, practical way. I don't want to work that hard just to keep up with a TV show.

Ni revels in mystery. Te seeks to sort everything out. Fi cues us into Humanity and figuring out what is Right, hopefully according with the above. Se gives reason to experience the outside world from time to time--when it feels good.

I like closure, but I enjoy a mystery if it's not important to solve right away--if it isn't going to affect my life in any significant way if I let it work itself out. And there are plenty of sensing-types who enjoy making write-ups / recaps of episodes that capture the significant minor details after its aired. I don't have to exert my sensing functions much. Intuition helps me get a sense of what's going on with the few parts I notice on my own even before reading up about the pieces I missed.

Still, this makes me wonder what kind of TV you enjoy?

i like the show because of john locke vs. jack vs. ben, particularly in the hatch and when ben linus first comes on the scene.

That was mostly Season 2. No Ben in the first season. And I've really enjoyed Ben's story the more it has been developed. By now he is a significantly layered character, more than many others in the series.

Gloed

02-07-2010, 01:17 AM

Who do you think under-performed? IMO, LOST shows off some of the best acting talent on network television. Of course there's Hugh Laurie to contend with, but otherwise I think it's pretty consistently the best.

I'm not quite sure why the acting struck me as bad now; I didn't have that feeling before. I just didn't "believe" them. Perhaps there are other factors at play besides (or instead of?) the acting. I was actually more conviced of the characters on the plane. Maybe it's also the 2 timelines, sort of like watching 2 shows, or attributing one timeline as being real and the other as fake. Maybe there's not enough continuity to "get into" a timeline. Could be how it was filmed, the camera-movements. For some reason, I also got the feeling the island was "too clean", their clothes were too clean...like watching a B-movie. It lacked depth in some way. Maybe I'm so eager to watch the mysteries unfold that I don't really care about the characters any more. Good question, I guess I have no idea. I guess I could watch it again, but I really don't feel like it, with all the bad acting and stuff. ;)

zibber

02-07-2010, 02:38 AM

I'm not quite sure why the acting struck me as bad now; I didn't have that feeling before. I just didn't "believe" them. Perhaps there are other factors at play besides (or instead of?) the acting. I was actually more conviced of the characters on the plane. Maybe it's also the 2 timelines, sort of like watching 2 shows, or attributing one timeline as being real and the other as fake. Maybe there's not enough continuity to "get into" a timeline. Could be how it was filmed, the camera-movements. For some reason, I also got the feeling the island was "too clean", their clothes were too clean...like watching a B-movie. It lacked depth in some way. Maybe I'm so eager to watch the mysteries unfold that I don't really care about the characters any more. Good question, I guess I have no idea. I guess I could watch it again, but I really don't feel like it, with all the bad acting and stuff. ;)

I will admit that I was struck by Jin's clean-shavenness :laugh:

kepstein8888

02-07-2010, 05:05 AM

I think it's become a convoluted, boring game of fake-out. Set up the audience to expect A, then hit them with B, but leave them wondering whether it's still A--or maybe B--for 10 more episodes. I got tired of wondering who the good guys and bad guys were, and stopped giving a f*** after a while. I found it all exhausting and condescending, and gave up somewhere around the third season.

Somewhere around the second-season, they had some really intense acting, some great characters, great dialog, some great philosophical/existential stuff, and seemed to have a good thing going. Then all of that took a back seat to the constant head games.

Rohsiph

02-07-2010, 05:12 AM

Gloed, thanks for the detailed response :)

I think I understand what you're getting at now . . . at least I'm confident I have a better idea.

The island timeline has a high learning-curve at this point. It's definitely there for folks who've been keeping up, or the rare few who want to invest some energy into catching up. I'm hoping there'll be very little "recapping" this season, especially in the island timeline.

Season 4 through season 5 introduced a whole lot of material that has tested the core audience's willingness for "suspension of disbelief." For those who've kept up, the show has eased into its deeper oddities, but if you haven't kept track I can understand trying to follow things now and just getting fed-up. "The hatch blew up? What about going back in time? Weren't they on the beach? How many 'others' are there now? What the hell is this temple, and why is Locke suddenly impervious to bullets?" Etc, etc. :)

My "primary argument" for my fandom is the series' consistent use of allusion. Every episode has literary connections if you take the time to sort things out--whether solely thematic, character-driven, plot-related, or all that and then some. I hoped for that kind of depth since quickly noticing a main character was named John Locke, and another had the last name Rousseau. LOST is a five-star restaurant meal for English / Philosophy nerds where most TV barely gets past a small order of fast-food fries.

Somewhere around the second-season, they had some really intense acting, some great characters, great dialog, some great philosophical/existential stuff, and seemed to have a good thing going. Then all of that took a back seat to the constant head games.

But isn't "great philosophical / existential stuff" tantamount to "constant head games?" ;)

rara avis

02-08-2010, 10:30 AM

somehow I've completely missed this show. I've never even seen five minutes of it. We're getting thru the last season of chuck now (get smart in modern form) maybe we can try lost next. I am unclear if I would like this show or not. it sounds absurd (which I approve of) but it sounds mundane at the same time. what's the draw of this show summed up?

It constantly seems to be about to spin out of control, with all its crazy threads and potential shark-jumping moments, but it hasn't really, yet. It's weird, but in a primetime way, not a David Lynch way. You can spend effort trying to puzzle out just what's going on, or you can just go along for the ride, and be pretty entertained either way.

I like it, but I could not have watched it on TV and stayed with it through the first season, which had enough clumsiness to counteract the intrigue. I watched it in big gulps on DVD, and got hooked. I think you have to make it to the cliff hanger at the end of the first season to know whether you're into it, or not.

AtheneNoctua

02-09-2010, 09:04 AM

I love Lost, and I love Ben :) everyone else thinks I'm weird.

Kisai

02-09-2010, 02:09 PM

My wife also loves Ben, because he has a goal and he'll use anyone to achieve it. I keep trying to tell her that he lies too much, and he should be dead already because no one can trust anything that comes out of his mouth. She also loves Sawyer, mainly because she's hot for the hairy, Hugh Jackman-wolverine wildman types.

I am not a hairy, wildman type, BTW. I like my men in suits.

Rohsiph

02-09-2010, 06:07 PM

I like my men in suits.

I hope that includes jump-suits. I'm sure you loved Season 5 then ;)

lambpox

02-09-2010, 06:14 PM

I love Lost, and I love Ben :) everyone else thinks I'm weird.

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I LOVE BEN!

jfc

02-10-2010, 08:18 PM

Great show. one of the best ever. So many interesting characters. Always keeps you geussing as to where it is going and what will happen next. This my wife hates, she likes a neat plot all tied up after an hour - but she is hooked anyway.

zibber

02-16-2010, 04:43 AM

Ugh.. last episode didn't give me enough, I need my fix!

My addiction is so bad that I am lamenting the fact that I first have to go to a (really interesting!) lecture/seminar until 5pm tomorrow before I can check out the new episode. (Even then, the 45 minutes of new Lost are always underwhelmingly short.)

Solsticio

02-17-2010, 05:44 PM

I stopped watching after the fourth season as it was getting less interesting, but mostly because Germans like to dub everything which is just plain stupid. Of course I could have downloaded it, but didn't. It has however been rumoured that the fifth season should actually be quite all right. My bad.

zibber

02-18-2010, 07:36 AM

Man. No fans, huh?

I am basically living from episode to episode right now. (Well, sort of.)

Latest episode was Locke-centric, so it had three aspects: dead Locke, alternate timeline Locke and Smokey (The Artist Formerly Known as SuperLocke). Sawyer was in whiskey mode for a minute, there. Peggy Bundy can act. I understood Smokey's inside joke, which was very gratifying :)

Doppelbock

02-18-2010, 07:57 AM

I thought the Locke-centric episode was great. Much better than "What Kate Did." Not quite as good as the opener, which was awesome.

Seriously

02-18-2010, 08:03 AM

I liked the fact that Sawyer picked up right away that Locke wasn't Locke.

Rohsiph

02-18-2010, 06:10 PM

Smoke-Locke gave off heavy vibes of a Blake / Milton Lucifer. A cynical, dark entity embodying free will and choice, vengeful because of a very unfair past. Not evil. Or rather, beyond evil.

Hoping this was deliberate, and the theme continues to develop :)

TechnicolorWeasel

02-19-2010, 10:34 PM

I was amused that in the season premier, Ben (INTJ?) was blindsided, and Richard finally was angered by something.

Seriously

02-19-2010, 10:37 PM

It's interesting seeing John slide into Ben's place as head villain of the show.

TechnicolorWeasel

02-20-2010, 01:01 AM

I hope that Ben is planning something manipulative and interesting..

The last episode actually made me laugh, nobody but me thought it was funny when Ben was a history teacher, complaining about co-workers not replacing the coffee filter.

zibber

02-22-2010, 08:24 AM

Favorite line of the season so far: "It's good to see you out of those chains, Richard!"

What the fuck?! :D

I liked the fact that Sawyer picked up right away that Locke wasn't Locke.

That was awesome. Also, after Superlocke showed zero fear at gunpoint: ".. what are you?"

It's interesting seeing John slide into Ben's place as head villain of the show.

This is true, but it really gets me that it's still sort of Locke. I can't see smokey as 100% evil because he took the form of that poor old sap who had a short period of badassness, but ended alone and pathetic. I still think Locke deserves better; too bad "dead is dead".

TechnicolorWeasel

02-22-2010, 11:15 AM

Favorite line of the season so far: "It's good to see you out of those chains, Richard!"

What the fuck?! :D

I have always seen Richard as that unwavering loyal subject to Jacob, he always wanted to know what Jacob wanted and when he wanted it. Whenever in need of some structure, and a solid decision, the solution for Richard was almost always "Ask Jacob". Now that Jacob is gone (As far as we know for the moment) we can see how Richard acts without that reassurance. I'm guessing he will either go completely insane, start following someone else completely, or start to become a bit more independent.
Since Locke is claiming power, I suppose if Ben, Richard, or Sawyer played their cards right, they could convince the rest of the island inhabitants that they have some sort of control over the situation.
Then again, it is never wise to anger the Locke-ness monster.

zibber

02-26-2010, 04:43 AM

Dang.

Why the hell did Jin say that?

Also: I love how even in death, Jacob is being smugly vague :)

Seriously

02-26-2010, 07:25 AM

Clare is CRAZY! Should be fun once Kate catches up with her. ;D

I was hoping the mirrors would show them in the alternate reality. Interesting Jack has a son there.

zibber

02-26-2010, 08:25 AM

Yeah, I feel like a mega Lost-rookie, but did he have a son in the first time line? It came as a surprise to me.

ps. I love the shit out of Dogen for some reason.

Seriously

02-26-2010, 08:33 AM

No Jack doesn't have a son...or didn't until reality split. He also didn't have his appendix taken out before he hit the island.

I like Dogen as well. I just wish they would stop talking in circles and just share what they know with everyone else. What's with all the secrets people?!?

Could you believe Kate sniffing after Sawyer right after Juliet died? Dang girl at least wait for the body to get cold. I'm just glad he didn't reciprocate. Stupid cow. Gah I can't stand Kate. ;D

Rohsiph

02-26-2010, 06:16 PM

Big surprise to see Jack as a single dad. Effective, but I'm hoping it's not a trend that suddenly most of the should-be castaways have children. I'll trust they won't make it a gimmick for now . . .

I was hoping Jack would've experimented with the mirror a little more before smashing it, but I suppose to make him that frustrated increases the 'drama.' I wanted him to give Hurley a chance to move it to his name. Oh well, Jack's still selfish.

zibber

02-27-2010, 03:27 AM

By the way.. when Hurley and Jack were doing their old school walk-through-the-jungle bit, was anyone else hoping for an appearance from the fabled "Hurley bird"?

Could you believe Kate sniffing after Sawyer right after Juliet died? Dang girl at least wait for the body to get cold. I'm just glad he didn't reciprocate. Stupid cow. Gah I can't stand Kate. ;D

I kind of hate that. Right after she fucked his shit with Juliet up, too, crashing their romantic submarine getaway. The whole Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer interplay makes me dizzy!

jhpark

03-03-2010, 08:12 AM

is anyone enjoying this season wholeheartedly?

i'm getting annoyed with the lack of explanation of why certain things are happening. the 'mystery' surrounding evrything is becoming frustrating. i have a hard time believing that the writers are going to wrap everything up in a satisfying manner. it's beginning to look like deep space 9 all over again...

Seriously

03-03-2010, 08:23 AM

I'm thinking we are going to find out that the island is like ground zero for the universal fight between good and evil as represented by Jacob and the smoke guy. It looks like they both inhabit human bodies and are now looking for someone to take their places...probably the smoke guy was once a human and is now looking to get off the island and live the life he lost because he was brought to the island.

I'm betting at the end we see two of the "chosen ones" sitting there in their places and the others living the lives we are seeing in the alternate reality with only a shadow of the memory of what happened on the island.

Rohsiph

03-03-2010, 08:23 AM

I'm enjoying it wholeheartedly. Maybe it's only because I'm desperately clawing for any half-decent escapism I can find in a pretty rough point in my life, but I'm hoping time will show LOST worked because it was well-crafted.

About the only thing that'll disappoint me now is if the Paradise Lost vibes fizzle out. Every new episode seems to build the fake-Locke more firmly into a heroic Lucifer. White = good and Black = evil is too simple. I'm hoping for Man-in-Black as Reasoned Free Will-incarnate rather than Evil-incarnate.

zibber

03-04-2010, 01:39 AM

Seriously

03-04-2010, 08:01 AM

Also, how harrowing was it to see Claire and Sayid walk around with that evil, possessed look? That was really well done. Claire sitting in the pit singing lullabies to herself gave me a real Exorcist vibe.

I liked it when Sayid gave Ben the willies...him backing slowly away was classic.

lambpox

03-04-2010, 05:55 PM

I liked it when Sayid gave Ben the willies...him backing slowly away was classic.

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YES, classic indeed!! Ben episode next week...the episode is called "Dr. Linus". I wish Ben Linus was my European History teacher!

zibber

03-05-2010, 01:53 AM

AWESOME.

Ben just hasn't been having his season, has he? :laugh:

Rohsiph

03-05-2010, 11:19 PM

That sounds quite plausible, Roh. I liked the parallel between Superlocke McSmokey walking away from the temple with a group of Temple deserters and the scene where Locke convinced a sizable group of folks to desert Jack when they were first getting close to leaving the island. (Well, with the main difference being that Smokey is the one who wants to leave, now.)

Ya know, I didn't even remember the older scene until just now. I hear a lot of complaining about how LOST couldn't have possibly started out knowing where it was going to end--complaints about obvious red herrings, and more subtle ideas that looked big but fizzled out, etc.--and really it just doesn't matter. Fact is, whether they planned it this far ahead or not, they're taking care to connect enough of the dots that it already stands out as one of the most layered television series ever. I'm preaching to the choir of course, but unearthing more and more of those layers excites me on an intellectual level that no other fictive drama on TV seems capable of.

Anyone who's interested in the allusionary content should check out the twice-weekly "columns" on ew.com. They're sometimes disgustingly self-indulgent, but I've been walking away with at least one or two new ideas since I found the site about a year ago. The recent article showing possible ways the Jack episode connects with Alice in Wonderland was a good one.

zibber

03-06-2010, 07:00 AM

This series is something I will rewatch and rewatch and rewatch and rewatch. Will probably even get the DVD set somewhere along the line, and I never ever buy DVDs.

As for the army of people who talk the show down as if it were a sport (but, of course, keep watching religiously), I weep for them. I weep bitter tears of lament over their dumb, incredulous punk asses.

Onigumo13

03-06-2010, 07:26 AM

Used to watch it , alas I decided to switch to another series called Fringe . :)

Myshkin

03-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Used to watch it , alas I decided to switch to another series called Fringe . :)

The island would definitely benefit from having a Walter Bishop!

The LOST box set will probably have big sales when it's all over and done with, so people can watch episode after episode and already know how it ends and connect the dots early on.

knick4life

03-07-2010, 08:25 PM

Ya know, I didn't even remember the older scene until just now. I hear a lot of complaining about how LOST couldn't have possibly started out knowing where it was going to end--complaints about obvious red herrings, and more subtle ideas that looked big but fizzled out, etc.--and really it just doesn't matter. Fact is, whether they planned it this far ahead or not, they're taking care to connect enough of the dots that it already stands out as one of the most layered television series ever. I'm preaching to the choir of course, but unearthing more and more of those layers excites me on an intellectual level that no other fictive drama on TV seems capable of.

Anyone who's interested in the allusionary content should check out the twice-weekly "columns" on ew.com. They're sometimes disgustingly self-indulgent, but I've been walking away with at least one or two new ideas since I found the site about a year ago. The recent article showing possible ways the Jack episode connects with Alice in Wonderland was a good one.

They definitely seem to continually ask bigger questions more than answer each question they raised before. It has its flaws, but it's one of the few shows that makes me want to wonder what's going to happen next.

It's also the only show on TV that shows the previous week's episode with subtitles just to explain everything that's going on. How many shows have ever boasted the same?

LadyInHeels

03-07-2010, 09:08 PM

I absolutely love LOST!

I think in order to truly enjoy it, you must accept the fact that you're always going to be confused no matter how much you think you know.

P.S I'm a huge Desmond fan, hopefully we see more of him for this season!

TechnicolorWeasel

03-08-2010, 05:26 PM

So, I heard that the infamous Benjamin Linus might meet an untimely demise this Tuesday. I don't know whether to be happy or sad.
Who would like to join me in the chatroom during the episode for discussion?

zibber

03-09-2010, 02:33 AM

Hello? Spoiler?

Seriously, jack. Think before you post. That's fucked up.

JCrow

03-10-2010, 01:10 PM

wow. great episode last night, I think that was one of the best ones in a while! You gotta love the Ben features. Ben making some surprising decisions last night AND Jack is now a believer! What!!?

Seriously

03-10-2010, 01:15 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about the Ben turn around...or how much I trust it.

and

helloooo Mr. Whitmore! I had forgotten all about him. Where does he figure in all this do you suppose??

JCrow

03-10-2010, 03:06 PM

Edd Nigma

03-10-2010, 04:35 PM

Were they implying that Richard came to the island on the Black Rock? or am I just reading too into what he said?

Jack: Been here before?
Richard: Yes, and in all the time I've spent here on this island, this is the first time I've ever come back

(he was also touching those chains, I'm thinking he was a slave)
Yes. Smoke monster/John Locke character said in episode 1 of this season, "it's nice to see you out of chains, Richard". He also called himself 300 years old. The mystery of Richard was explained in last nights episode.

So, since "Jacob's touch" apparently makes someone live forever.. is that the fate of the 6 people he came to in the flashbacks of last seasons finale? Was Locke ever touched?

Rohsiph

03-10-2010, 08:19 PM

Locke was touched. The way Richard explained it suggested he couldn't kill himself--hence needing Jack to light the fuse. Suggestion is: Jacob's touch means you can't kill yourself, not you can never die.

Look back at Michael's flashback during the freighter storyline for possible evidence. He couldn't kill himself, but a bomb rigged by someone else blew him away--though it's quite possible he was never a candidate, never touched by Jacob, and thus it's just "possible" evidence.

Hoping Whidmore's return means more Desmond soon :)

JCrow

03-10-2010, 09:57 PM

I still have my fingers crossed that New Locke/Smokemonster/man in black is actually the 'good guy' and Jacob is the villain. Probably not likely, but it would be more original and interesting.

Man in black = evil
Man in white = good

Kinda obvious.

I'm also rooting for Desmond returning, he was always one of my favorites

TechnicolorWeasel

03-11-2010, 05:01 AM

Ben's turn around makes sense. Although I doubt people are going to trust him for quite a while. My first thought was, "Michael Emerson must be a great actor to be acting like Ben acting as if he wanted forgiveness."
Then I started swearing when I realized he might actually want to forgiveness.

After this episode, I did not in fact go to look up further information, but instead I decided to look up if Richard Alpert wears eyeliner.

Edit: He doesn't. It's natural. O_o

curiousjane

03-17-2010, 05:07 PM

Last night got mixed reviews among my friends. Personally, I'm lovin' the plot twist in which Sawyer is playing both sides for his own means. Although, to paraphrase a friend ... is every girl from the island going to sleep with him? Sheesh.

After the episode in which Iliana allows Ben to live, my mind started thinking ... I wonder if there is anything in that girl's name. I looked it up. Don't know if this is of any significance or not, but Iliana is apparently from Romanian folklore ... a princess saved from monsters by a hero. Hmmmm. Jacob vs. the Smoke Monster, anyone?

mrStevens

03-17-2010, 07:11 PM

Shauru

03-18-2010, 01:19 PM

Hey guys. I hate to burst the bubble here, but I figured it all out you can stop watching.

The battle between Jacob and MIB is a retelling of the Egyptian myth of the battle between Osiris/Horus vs Set

Airius

03-18-2010, 01:49 PM

I'm hooked. :p

Seriously

03-18-2010, 01:58 PM

I'm a fan.

Locke is my favorite character. Juliet my second favorite.

I loathe Kate and find her extremely annoying as a character. During the first season I thought she was cute. As the seasons wore on she started to grate on my nerves. I hope she dies.

When she comes on screen there is usually at least one shout out of "You're a whore Kate and you need to die" from the people I generally watch with. ;D

Zodd

03-24-2010, 01:19 AM

Ok, this was a really good episode, especially in contrast to last weeks episode which makes me hate Lost so much. A simple yet good story that answers questions without bringing new questions up, finally!

Richard's character and his story is really cool, really played well. Also the relationship between Jacob, Man in Black and the Island is confirmed. The scene between Hurley, Richard and his dead wife really showed what has been lacking. It's been just a "?!wtfHUHRollercoasterride" for the last 2 seasons. I would be impressed if they could end everything in a style like this.

Rohsiph

03-24-2010, 05:58 PM

I'm on the fence about the new developments. Several really seem to paint our Man-in-black as a "true evil" now--and that's disappointing if true. Still holding out hope there's some Miltonian complexity going on and the finale reveals why those jeering at MIB right now out to sympathize with him.

Mozzes

03-24-2010, 06:46 PM

I resisted the hype for a long time but recently noticed they have the first 5 seasons on Hulu, decided to check it out and it's quite good so far despite it's popularity. Though as for that I'm only on ep 5 so I don't really have any idea what's going on.

I'd say Locke is my favorite character. I'm pretty neutral on the rest so far except for Shannon who I want to punch in the face.

Darth Brooks

03-24-2010, 08:25 PM

Shooting is an option.

hutbug

03-25-2010, 02:21 PM

I'm a fan, I watched the first five seasons in three weeks (a friend had all the DVDs) and now watching 1 show a week is torture. Plus, instead of answering questions they are just creating more!!!

I love Locke, and the actor who plays him, Terry O'Quinn, is SO good! And, although it has nothing to do with anything, O'Quinn is 4 months older than me and has been married the same amount of time, so that's cool.

Brittle

03-26-2010, 06:17 AM

So do you think we'll hear any more about Michael and Walt?

(and yes, someone should put a bullet in the back of Kate's head!!)

hutbug

03-28-2010, 09:28 PM

I can't come back here till we watch the past 2 weeks. We got so sick of the commercials, even on the DVR, that we are going to watch 3 shows all at once.

Rohsiph

04-07-2010, 01:17 AM

I've always loved Desmond's episodes. As far as I've seen most critics agree, but now and again I find someone expressing particular loathing for his episodes--I don't understand it. I'm among those who consider "The Constant" the best episode in the series, with "Through the Looking Glass" and "The Variable" as fairly close runners up (among others)--

which is also to say I f'ing loved last night's episode :)

Still think it's a runner-up to "The Constant." I got the impression it wouldn't have nearly as powerful an effect without having seen the rest of the series, unlike "The Constant"--which surely required some prior knowledge about the characters, but wasn't totally reliant on obsessive dedication.

Seriously

04-07-2010, 07:20 AM

Curiouser and curiouser. Last nights episode made me think of "The Truman Show" . Anyone else?

hutbug

04-07-2010, 04:03 PM

We're watching the last 3 weeks tonight, so I'll be back tomorrow! The cool thing about Lost is, you guys can talk about it and I still don't have a clue what the shows were about!

Zodd

04-07-2010, 04:38 PM

Desmond ma brotha! \m/

I rewatched The Constant, Jugghead and read The Variable before watching this episode, really recommend that.

What I want to know is what's up with this the new dimension and what does Desmond think will happen when he blows the atombomb, or doesn't he know and does it only for Charles Widmore? Now the focus lies all in timetravelling, the constant/variable, electromagnecity/atombomb/reset of the island, the new dimension. While previous episodes where more about Jacob / Black Guy, how does that come together?

Oh yeah, why did he go with Sayid, wasn't it Sayid's plan to go of the island?

Doppelbock

04-07-2010, 04:39 PM

Hopefully will get to watch last night's episode (DVR'ed) tonight.

Next week's episode "Everybody Loves Hugo" is supposed to be one of the best of the season (according to spoilerslost.blogspot.com's inside sources).

Zodd

04-07-2010, 05:39 PM

What I've read so far is that the timeline created at the end of season 5 is parallel to the normal timeline and in the end it will all be the same as in the other timeline. Just like travelling through time, they have to find the constant to switch between the timelines or find balance or something. Faraday's mother and Widmore knew about this timeline and played it, to achieve what now?

How does Black Guy want to get of the island? Can't be as simple as stepping on a boat.

hutbug

04-09-2010, 03:03 PM

We just watched the last 3 eps last night. I am LOST. I really hate Claire's wig. Matthew Fox looks like he has a drinking problem. Locke has man-boobs, altho admittedly dwarfed by Hugo's. It doesn't make sense to me why Jacob wanted eyeliner guy to be his 'intermediary', and I don't see what he did in the past 150 years in that capacity...?? I think the 'we're in hell' idea makes a lot of sense...but then, my opinion ain't worth much, since I am LOST.

It's like reading a Michener novel, only one paragraph a week. :irked:

mrStevens

04-10-2010, 04:53 AM

I found this week's episode a little boring. I guess I'm not a Desmond fan like some of you. I find his character a bit twitchy and his obsession with Penny slightly annoying. Most of the time he's either pissed off or confused at everything. First he's confused because he's jumping through time. Then he's pissed off about it. Drugged and confused on a submarine, pissed because he's tied to a chair, confused because he's in a flash sideways and everyone looks familiar, now he's finally looking confident and knows what he has to do...but he still has a hint of dazed confusion on his face. Seriously, I almost fell asleep during this episode. That's hard to do seeing as how I wait all week for the next episode.

hutbug

04-11-2010, 07:17 PM

Haha I actually started nodding off too. I'm just annoyed at the lack of answers, of creating more questions, and is it just me or do they have about 20% more commercials than the average prime time show?!? Oh, and the endless hyping of V, and all the other shows that the Lost cast is now scattered among...made more obvious by the fact that no show this season has had the full cast on screen at the same time...arrgggg!!

mrStevens

04-13-2010, 01:30 AM

Hey, that's a good point about the cast members doing multiple shows at the same time. I didn't think about the impact that it would have on "Lost."

I agree whole-heartedly with you about the "V" commercials.

hutbug

04-13-2010, 08:52 AM

I was trying to find recaps of the show and found To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), (strange domain but it's legit) and this guy Dan Hopper's recaps are hilarious!! Go to the link and then do a search for Lost, and you'll see recaps - he does them all, I think. Check him out if you get a chance. He had a picture of Claire holding up her notepad with the V commercial covering the writing, which I noticed when I watched the show - who is running things over there?!?

Doppelbock

04-13-2010, 12:28 PM

The most hilarious recaps of Lost are at The Ack Attack (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

mrStevens

04-13-2010, 05:20 PM

Hahaha! Thanks for sharing those links. I really liked the Best Week Ever recaps (btw, it's the official site of the show on VH1 if you've never seen it, so yeah, it's legit). I can appreciate the sarcastic humor. Favorite quote "and kicks sideways destiny in the balls."

Apathy

04-14-2010, 12:16 PM

Hello Desmond, meet mr. well

Rohsiph

04-20-2010, 09:03 PM

Same old formula leading to the finale this season, but why change what always works? The wheels are in motion.

TechnicolorWeasel

04-20-2010, 09:39 PM

I needed to change my Avatar, I was getting too anxious.

Malkavia

04-21-2010, 02:40 PM

I think this season may be my favorite.

Edd Nigma

04-21-2010, 03:25 PM

The last three episodes have been great. This season took a while to get going, but now it's rolling right along.

The writers have to by finely tuned in hypnotic writing, because there are so many examples of this constantly throughout the show. You would think Milton Erikson is the author. It's pretty incredible to watch something so well crafted finalize.

hutbug

04-23-2010, 03:31 PM

Yes it's gettng good! Isn't it amazing how little the actors have changed physically over the years? Except for Claire who is wearing that god-awful wig. I think I will re-watch this season from the beginning, just because!

zibber

04-25-2010, 05:21 AM

We're at a point where every episode is the best episode so far. This last one, with flashbacks for basically everyone, was brilliant. It went by so fast, it left me speechless and wanting more.

Malefic

04-28-2010, 12:04 AM

It's a pity we have a rerun today. I really want to see the next episode.

hutbug

05-03-2010, 09:45 PM

Only 4 more episodes! Who do you think the 'candidate' will be? I'm thinking Hurley.

Malkavia

05-05-2010, 08:11 PM

I dont know....it could just go any way. Its crazy.

I think they have a plan for Kate. I dont know if shes just "marked off".

Seriously

05-06-2010, 07:16 AM

Wow. That's all I can say. Just wow.

oh and kill Kate for God's sake and put us all out of our misery.

Kisai

05-09-2010, 03:51 PM

Poor Kate. In Season 1, she was a really great badass. Robbing a bank to steal a toy plane? Awesome. After that she became a trophy for Jack and Sawyer to pursue. She doesn't even know which one she likes more.

Malkavia

05-09-2010, 03:55 PM

Shes useless.

Kisai

05-09-2010, 04:05 PM

Pretty much.

My favorite characters (in order):

1. Desmond

Why? Because Desmond, out of all of the characters, gets to see what reality is really like. He's also shafted the most, but love actually manages to save him.

2. Ben

How could I not like Ben? I'm glad he's getting an opportunity to redeem himself. I think he's got one last turnaround before the series end.

3. Hurley

Hurley's a nice person. He also has everything physical but is still unhappy. He's a coward but will still try to do the right thing.

4. Mr. Ecko

I miss you Mr. Ecko!

altoid

05-11-2010, 02:24 PM

Tonight's episode looks like it should be interesting with more Jacob and smokemonster-guy backstory.

Poor Kate. In Season 1, she was a really great badass. Robbing a bank to steal a toy plane? Awesome. After that she became a trophy for Jack and Sawyer to pursue. She doesn't even know which one she likes more.

I've probably said this before but YES first season Kate was awesome. It's irritating that she always looks ready to burst into tears now.

I'm really curious about the relationship between Desmond and John-the-smokemonster. John chucked him down the well a couple of episodes ago, but Desmond plowed over John with his car in the "alternative" world. I'm guessing perhaps they are sort of dueling it out in a sense, trying to prevent the other from ultimately fulfilling their respective roles?

darynthe

05-12-2010, 02:06 PM

I have never watched Lost but I was considering that it has been on air for six years and if you watch it one hour per week, you may have ended up having a bachelor degree in those years if you devoted that time slot to it.

Just lazy thinking.

jfc

05-12-2010, 08:48 PM

it will take a hell of lot longer to get a bachelors degree at 1 hr/wk. I took 1 class/semester, 3/yr for almost 4 yrs. Each class was 2-4 hours, plus 2 to 12 hours studying/work time each week. The last class was in 1998, I calculated that it would have taken me 17 years total to get the bach. Prob should have done it, but I dropped out, having taken enough to help me advance at work.

Anyway...Lost. I am dissapointed in this weeks ep. Guess I expected more, it was all VERY predictable to me. Hopefully the next eps will be better.

Rohsiph

05-13-2010, 06:28 AM

Predictable, but necessary in confirming various allusions. Very glad to see my Blakean analysis of Smokey got a good dose of evidence.

Seriously

05-13-2010, 07:14 AM

I was disappointed as well. It dragged and didn't really tell us much IMO.

Zodd

05-13-2010, 08:48 AM

Possibly the fake mom was a smokemonster and set it up so that Jacob would throw MIB in the lightpool.

They are auctioning all the props, pretty cool stuff, Mr. Ecko's stick, Faraday's journal, charlie's guitar, locke's knifeset, Danielle Rousseau's musicbox etc.:
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lambpox

05-14-2010, 04:30 PM

zibber

05-16-2010, 05:04 AM

omg I just watched The Candidate and some episodes I missed when I was on my "lost hiatus" (I quit watching lost for four weeks so I could concentrate on my studies/exams, lol). I think it was quite possibly one of the most brilliant episodes ever.

Glad to see I'm not alone. It seems like the whole internets has erupted in a massive shitstorm over that episode.

The episode answered a ton of questions without going into banal detail. It left the mythology open to interpretation, as good mythology is supposed to be.

Malkavia

05-16-2010, 09:24 AM

I loved the most recent episode. It answered tons of questions. However I still have a couple more. :)

zibber

05-17-2010, 05:10 AM

So... mom... previous smoke monster or no? She really fucked up those villagers and that well.

This is like reading Heidegger. I have an inkling of how this stuff could work, but I can't put my finger on it.

Possibly the fake mom was a smokemonster and set it up so that Jacob would throw MIB in the lightpool.

Ah, I'm not alone :)

Still, I think Lindelof/Cruse have made it pretty clear that mom was definitely "the protector" as well. Let's wait and see!

Edd Nigma

05-17-2010, 10:36 PM

So... mom... previous smoke monster or no? She really fucked up those villagers and that well.

This is like reading Heidegger. I have an inkling of how this stuff could work, but I can't put my finger on it.

Ah, I'm not alone :)

Still, I think Lindelof/Cruse have made it pretty clear that mom was definitely "the protector" as well. Let's wait and see!
This gives a lot of credence to the theory that Jacob and MiB are replaced by two LOST candidates in the end. Perhaps MiB's ultimate plan is that.

zibber

05-19-2010, 04:16 PM

Well, guess again. He was pretty clear about his ultimate plan :)

Malkavia

05-19-2010, 07:26 PM

Ugh I leave on my study abroad in two days!

I'm not going to be able to see the season finale.

zibber

05-20-2010, 03:52 AM

You have no time for this! Postpone it! There is always next year.

Rohsiph

05-22-2010, 07:12 PM

Because they so love leading up to every finale with hours of "special" recap, I'll miss two thirds of the finale until I'm off work . . . this all hoping ABC is careful enough to upload the full thing by morningtime without problems. Grumble grumble; for once it'll be a good thing no one in this town seems to watch, I shouldn't have to worry about spoilers.

Kisai

05-23-2010, 08:39 PM

All caught up! EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Sunday night!!!!

Metzger

05-24-2010, 02:19 AM

It's official, Lost is now the most elaborate troll ever conceived in human history.

Seriously

05-24-2010, 07:39 AM

Very disappointing. I'm thinking they were hoping that tugging at the emotions would cause people to not notice they didn't TELL YOU ANYTHING really. Meh.

Doppelbock

05-24-2010, 12:18 PM

I was disappointed at first, but as I reflect more and more on what happened, it's starting to grow on me. Still, lots of questions remain, the two biggest ones in my mind being:

(1) What about the gold light? What is it really, why is it important, how did it get there, what really happens if it goes out, etc.?

(2) Why will the world end if the smoke monster gets off the island? Never adequately explained.

Edd Nigma

05-24-2010, 04:46 PM

(2) Why will the world end if the smoke monster gets off the island? Never adequately explained.
Since this was the premise of the entire season, I thought they would at least to attempt to put out a possible reason.

MiB succeeding at the end, and somehow being Locke in the alternate timeline would have been a much better finish. Having watched a clever plan spread across six seasons fail for stupid reasons (example 1: Kate coming out of nowhere and shooting Locke in the back) does not sit well with me. The heavenly/feel good finish is also a bad finale choice. It says that regardless of what actions were taking by the characters throughout the series, everyone ends up here anyway. As if it all didn't matter. That's poor writing.

jfc

05-24-2010, 06:45 PM

I've only seen the final half hour (VCR'd to watch later) and I'm already dissapointed big time. Not a good time in my TV land - the only two shows I really got into are history and ended badly. First Heroes is cancelled and now the Lost finale. Which from what I have seen may just top Seinfeld as a worst ever jump-the-shark finale.

Rohsiph

05-24-2010, 07:20 PM

It could've been worse. LOST was never a show to watch for closure. Agreed that MiB's end was a missed-opportunity (had to meet the status quo and kill off the "evil") but otherwise I thought it worked.

Would've liked to have seen Jack as a new smoke-monster after he floated out of the underground, but otherwise I didn't think they could've done much better. They satisfied the character-focused F-dominants. Idea folks never get the nod in mainstream media. Sawyer & Juliet's reunion was brilliant, the rest were contrived.

I'm more disappointed in hearing the same-old from people bitching about a lack of answers, that LOST was always terrible because it never knew where it was going, that there was nothing of value, no -reason- to follow the show. Dare say we invent our own interpretations, that we derive meaning altogether subjectively.

It wasn't the best finale ever, not by a long-shot. But I think it worked.

greenblob

05-24-2010, 10:03 PM

The finale did not answer all the important questions, and so it was a disappointment to many, including myself. But its message was of closure and moving on, so I guess that's the point - we can't know everything and our purpose is to just enjoy the experience and move on.
I can't do that. I need answers. I need a consistent explanation. Emotional fluff and happy endings are not enough.
And yet, I'm actually glad that they did not answer anything. Although my LOST experience was a lot shorter and condensed than most people's, I still had time to reflect and develop theories between episodes. This was perhaps just as enjoyable as watching the show itself, and it could have come to an end, but I was spared of this. Now I can keep theorizing. I can come up with my own explanations. LOST is not over. It has just begun.
It is ironic in a way. The message is of letting go, but it made me want to hold on even harder.
I'm not ready to leave the Island; I shall remain a while longer.

lancelot

05-24-2010, 11:09 PM

"See you in another life brother!"

Edd Nigma

05-24-2010, 11:52 PM

"See you in another life brother!"
A lot of the lines and scenes from the finale and past few episodes have been spectacular. Beautiful endings reflecting what had transpired previously (I'm not talking about the fake reality). Jack's scene at the very end lying the bamboo field with the dog crossing paths and plane flying overhead was brilliant, and really the only way it should have ended.

For skilled writing, the viewer is looking for the author to have laid out a scheme from start to finish that fits perfectly as a whole. In that regard, LOST was looking to be the most well done of all shows, but came up a bit short. All we are expressing is disappointment of this fact. Sure, it's cool having room for self interpretation, but important things were not answered:

What is the light and why does it have this crazy notion of giving people power? Since not many people have experienced mystical force, this had to be answered for the plot to appear logical.

Why was it so imperative MiB didn't get off the island? Since the entire 6th season was based around this plot, and every key character that died did so in process of his plan, this question needed to be answered.

I'm sure there are many small things from other seasons (Example: why were Aaron and Walt so important?) that weren't answered and could have been, but that I'm concerned less about. The writer should be left room for imperfection.

Zodd

05-25-2010, 06:57 AM

Why did Jack believe Locke would be wrong with putting Desmond in the light?

If they ended it with jack in the bamboofield, why weren't Michael and Walt at the funeral.

Boone's sister was by far the hottest girl on the show.