When fangirls attack...

[Hatsumomo1]

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Wished miscarriage? Pushed down the stairs? Beaten with a baseball bat?? All because these people said that they didn't like the Twilight series??

Why oh why do people get so worked up and sometimes even resort to violence over a stupid (and not that well-written) book?

THIS is why I have little faith in humanity.

[une fille]

Lol. I lost friends when I said that Twilight was poorly written... I didn't finish the series, but the first book was awful.
And I knew a girl in high school who started avoiding sunlight and "fainting" over blood after she read the first book.. Not to mention getting a dress from prom similar to what the main character's was descried as being. Creepy.


But that list... is disturbing.

[darkeldar88]

Kind of a sad reflection on what humanity can do. Especially over something so simple as a book.

[Nyctalop]

Kind of a sad reflection on what humanity can do. Especially over something so simple as a book.

Just look at what Christians do in name of their book. Or what Muslims do in name of their book.

A book is not a simple thing at all.

[True Rune]

Just look at what Christians do in name of their book. Or what Muslims do in name of their book.

A book is not a simple thing at all.

That's a bit different.
Perhaps you wouldn't say so, but I don't think that author intended for people to stake their lives on a simple novel series created for entertainment. Overall, it's just gotten too big I guess. It's surprising this doesn't happen more often over sports teams.

[Zilal]

I am extremely relieved to say that the book didn't do anything for me (stopped after 1), but two female friends whose intelligence I admire very much are totally into it. I don't get it! I don't think they're going to push me down the stairs, though. What is fascinating to me is how Meyer, with her unspectacular writing, has managed somehow to concoct what appears to be crack for teenage girls. Some kind of magic formula.

[LaoTzu]

It's that Cullen kid I think.

I was most proud of my son, when he defiled Cullen's fanpage on FB.


But now I'm wondering if I should hire him a bodyguard :P

[darkeldar88]

Just look at what Christians do in name of their book. Or what Muslims do in name of their book.

A book is not a simple thing at all.

Those books are about religion and some people are willing to die for their religion. Twilight is fictional book for kids/teens, hardly worth attacking people over.

[Franklin71]

Those books are about religion and some people are willing to die for their religion. Twilight is fictional book for kids/teens, hardly worth attacking people over.

Which makes it different from a religious book how?

[AliTree]

But that list... is disturbing.

[zibber]

So that's what that South Park episode was about..

Well.

[darkeldar88]

Which makes it different from a religious book how?

Religion for one is a set of beliefs, values and interpretations of their gods blah blah blah

-Im doubting twilight is making those kinds of guidlines etc

[Hatsumomo1]

I am extremely relieved to say that the book didn't do anything for me (stopped after 1), but two female friends whose intelligence I admire very much are totally into it. I don't get it! I don't think they're going to push me down the stairs, though. What is fascinating to me is how Meyer, with her unspectacular writing, has managed somehow to concoct what appears to be crack for teenage girls. Some kind of magic formula.


I read the first book, and it was like I was reading some romance fanfic from a teenage girl. Stalking, obsession, rough sex, shallow characters... It has it all. I guess people are just thrilled that a professional author wrote one this time. :rolleyes: Who knows.

[SShack]

Hey, well at least they're reading! Right? Right?

[Karamazov]

...yeah, Twilight. You'd think they'd settle maybe for some Conan Doyle, or Agatha Christie. Hell, I'd take the Hardy Boys.

[Zzyber]

LOL! Hardy boys. Wow I remember reading those as a kid. Great stories. Does anybody remember Encyclopedia Brown (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)?

[burazekun]

Vampire stories are dated romantic novels, bringing elements of power and sensual delight into one place. These are things dreamed up by women and men alike. People want to be these things. They want to believe this kind of existence... well exists. That they are something bigger then themselves. And Books like Anne Rice's "Interview with a Vampire." and this new rush for Twilight achieve this.

People are just defending their perception of reality. Though self conceived nonsense, notions that challenge their escape of reality, can likely spur agressive behavior.

The book itself is horribly writen, but easy to understand. This makes it a great choice for a good many people who are not competent and show it in flying colors with this kind of fandom.

[SmileyMan]

I would not allow any person to treat me like shit just because I don't agree with their taste in fiction. I can't stand people who are like that and would probably seriously hurt a person if he/she tried to hurt me because of that book.

[lizzyb83]

Which makes it different from a religious book how?

:laugh::thumbsup:

[Phyconaut]

A book can have great moving power over the masses.

Look at the Bible or the Koran

or even Friedrich Nietzsche, Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (The Gay Science)

books have power even if its fiction in the minds of people it can become their reality and base their values on that fiction rather than reality

[auriga vega]

Wow, those people must accept that not everyone is going to agree with what they like. Immature, very immature.

[Storm]

Ok, I perused through some of the links, getting ready to be shocked. But then, I see (well all the ones I looked at), were recounts of playground fights. Children have been fighting over stupid stuff like this forever, it's not new. It's not the Twilight books, it's kids. They associate themselves with some sort of culture, and then see attacks on that culture to be personal attacks on themselves. (not all kids go through this stage, but enough do). Sadly, it appears no one has taught them that violence is not the proper response to differing opinions. I was shocked more kids didn't report the abuse by their fellow students to an authority figure.

[Phyconaut]

Ok, I perused through some of the links, getting ready to be shocked. But then, I see (well all the ones I looked at), were recounts of playground fights. Children have been fighting over stupid stuff like this forever, it's not new. It's not the Twilight books, it's kids. They associate themselves with some sort of culture, and then see attacks on that culture to be personal attacks on themselves. (not all kids go through this stage, but enough do). Sadly, it appears no one has taught them that violence is not the proper response to differing opinions. I was shocked more kids didn't report the abuse by their fellow students to an authority figure.

Because they are children and the authority figure is playing it safe and will do nothing for fear of leagal action these days by parents.

sometimes violence can be the only method of communication to the violent.

I am not condoning violence but it can be needed at times

[Berzeger]

Oh... my... f**king... god...
Restrain these people before it's too late.
I just can't believe that. Has someone read the story about a broken arm on that forum? If not, I strongly recommend to do so. And then please explain to me how this can be possible.
Animals, nothing more than animals!

[Asinine]

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They associate themselves with some sort of culture, and then see attacks on that culture to be personal attacks on themselves. (not all kids go through this stage, but enough do).

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I was shocked more kids didn't report the abuse by their fellow students to an authority figure.

I see that kind of attitude in most adults. God, or whatever, help you if you try to talk objectively to someone about a politician, religious figure, ideology, or even product preferences, sometimes. By calling into question what people believe to be true, those people often take it as an attack on their judgment, and therefor, themselves.

And, I'm not surprised. Squawking to the administration got me absolutely nowhere in school. Heck, it made the all the more eager to punish me when I screwed up. Often enough, the kids involved had influential parents. And, even when they did not, the rare punishment was trivial at best. Seriously, the guy that knocked me out did not even get told not to do it again. I got suspended for calling someone a bastard after they had spent the past half an hour cussing me out in front of the teacher. I hate to say it, but, Columbine and related massacres did far more for me than they ever did. Never mind that I would never have done that myself.

[Phyconaut]

Oh... my... f**king... god...
Restrain these people before it's too late.
I just can't believe that. Has someone read the story about a broken arm on that forum? If not, I strongly recommend to do so. And then please explain to me how this can be possible.
Animals, nothing more than animals!

I personally blame religion for instituting the idea of faith in ideas that are not provable or disprovable.

gods in any form should be eliminated.

faith in what is neither provable or disprovable is just plain foolishness on any level. A fiction book as in Twilight or the Bible

[Berzeger]

I personally blame religion for it's existence.
This is just too much for me. Killing for Bible is not enough, welcome to era of killing for Twilight.
What's next? Killing for mexican soap operas?

[Hatsumomo1]

Please don't hijack the topic and turn this into a hopeless religious debate. :rolleyes: Besides, I don't think you can pin this type of behavior on religion itself, since Twilight obviously isn't even close to being a religion.

I don't know if it's kids just being kids, and many of these are teenagers or even college students who should know better. Honestly, I've never really heard of any other fandom being so violent so often.

[PHS Philip]

Fanaticism looks the same whether religious or otherwise. Irrationality looks the same whether religious or otherwise. Denial looks the same whether religious or otherwise. Just because it's used to support religion doesn't mean it's religious in origin.

[Hatsumomo1]

Fanaticism in general, yes. People can be fanatic about a lot of things, religion included. Then there are those that know how to keep their religion and fictional books written by a single mediocre author separate (though atheists see no difference in this obviously.) I think the majority of us know how to do this.

[JoshuaFairtex]

My god has a bigger dick than your gods, but in all seriousness reading that was pathetic and one of the reasons I love staying locked in my room on my laptop, society is full of idiots.

[Phyconaut]

Please don't hijack the topic and turn this into a hopeless religious debate. :rolleyes: Besides, I don't think you can pin this type of behavior on religion itself, since Twilight obviously isn't even close to being a religion.

I don't know if it's kids just being kids, and many of these are teenagers or even college students who should know better. Honestly, I've never really heard of any other fandom being so violent so often.


I was not pinning it on religion its self i was pointing out the foolishness in radical action that is based on ideas that are not verifiable.

religion just so happens to fill this perfectly
(clarification here Religion to me is the organization of people based around a spiritual idea that can not be verified. Spirituality is the belief in god/s that is the line I draw.)

so why even bother to debate spirituality? it cannot be verified.
or even debate religion as its underpinnings are spirituality.

its not hard to get people ideas twisted enough to be violent. When obsession kicks in people blur reality and their fantasy and then both come out at once and look what happens.