dress & grooming

[Jedi_sena]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

[brewmaster]

Not at all. My wife says my clothes are very out of style, since I haven't thrown anything out in about 10 years, but I haven't a clue what she's talking about. They still are in good shape and aren't holey. I am particualr about my hair only in the sense that if it gets too long it starts to annoy me because it gives me something to play with while I am waiting for things to happen.

Overall, my appearance is to make me blend in. I really don't like people looking at me, especially in the eye.

[Jedi_sena]

I don't consider how I'll be perceived by others that much, but I do give some thought to the temperature and the activity I'll be involved in. I like short hair, trendy, but my hair is really long from neglect. I live in ponytails. When I am going to a place or event where I don't know what to expect (like beginning the school-year, or starting a new job) then I really dress to impress (but still not flashy). Then, after I size everyone up, I feel comfortable in plain clothes w/ clean hair. I love hand-me-downs because I don't have to think about what to wear. I often buy on price and will pass up something I like for a bargain.

[logan235711]

Not at all. My wife says my clothes are very out of style, since I haven't thrown anything out in about 10 years, but I haven't a clue what she's talking about. They still are in good shape and aren't holey. I am particualr about my hair only in the sense that if it gets too long it starts to annoy me because it gives me something to play with while I am waiting for things to happen.

Overall, my appearance is to make me blend in. I really don't like people looking at me, especially in the eye.
I'm just about the same except I don't mind the occasional eye contact.

[Hdier]

I recently (within the last year or so) became obsessed with making sure I wasn't ugly (that was about the time puberty started, though). I don't pay attention to making sure my 'outfit matches', or anything like that, I just generally wear jeans and a comfortable T-Shirt (usually with some picture on it). However, I do have a knack of blending in and standing out at the same time (not sure if that has to do with "dress & grooming", but I thought it was worth mentioning.

[LSB]

I wear whatever's comfortable and what I feel looks good. I have several sweaters and pants that look the same or nearly the same, which I switch between as the others are in the wash - thus, to outsiders, it looks like I wear the same stuff every day. :suspicious: It saves me from having to think about what to wear, though. I always know what I'll wear.

[Night]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

I find that it is typically best (given my occupation) to blend in.

Overall, I think clothing serves a distinct function that is (for me) mostly un-aesthetic. I rarely replace clothing unless it is tattered and/or noticeably stained.

Hair style is a different animal - I try to remain fairly current, as my age and socioeconomic status suggest. Hair is less invasive, I think, and is much more organic to the individual than manner of dress.

[Lumbering Jack]

I'm a fairly tall guy, so it's tough for me not to stand out. Because of that, I dress fairly conservatively, and try not to attract any attention. Like most INTJs, I like to observe a long time before I participate. Dressing to blend in helps me do that.
Of course, my favorite color is orange, so sometimes I'm working against myself.

[rwyatt365]

I care verly little for style, I'll dress for comfort whenever possible. Hair-wise, I keep it cropped short 'cuase it's a pain to deal with otherwise.

[amei]

I'm the most comfortable in jeans and a t-shirt which is what I wear most days. Sometimes I feel like wearing a skirt or wearing eyeliner and so I do, but I hate it when everyone flips out about it since it's not my normal behavior. My students are especially shocked by any change to my appearance and will want to ask me a hundred questions about my clothes that day. I also enjoy getting dressed up to go out and wearing lots of mascara. However, that doesn't happen too often. As for my hair, it's in a ponytail every single day. That never changes.

[OneBadMother]

I'm definitely not pre-occupied with it, and half the time I don't even remember what shirt I'm wearing. Every once in a while, though, I dress nicely on the spur of the moment, or in order to throw people off, or to try to have a subconscious effect on people that I am attracted to. :P

[Hdier]

LOL, same here (except for the subconscious effect on people I'm attracted to; my confidence is shot in that area).

[mielikki]

Couldn't care less, for the most part, although I dislike bright colours.

I am only wearing black until they come up with something darker.

[Hdier]

I love black, but I like variety in my clothes (plus, they don't make enough black shirts for me).

[OneBadMother]

Black, green, grey, and khaki colors usually make up my wardrobe. :P Though if I'm dressing en femme, I generally add blues and purples into the mix.

[Thistle]

Take great care in my attire. Typically is's black (not goth - classy), nice shape, with something 'distinctive' thrown in - such as earrings, belt, scarf. Always, always, always nice shoes - higher and pointier the better (these don't have to be black).

[Allie]

Always been conscious of my appearance. First, so I don't draw attention to myself, then, it's so I can look good (not for anyone else, but for my own self esteem).

Since I commited myself to this, then I have to pay attention to cost per wear and how best to get the most bang for my bucks. Hence the classic look (won't go out of style much). Neutral colors, with a touch of accessories to enhance the ensemble. Voila!

[Br3nti5]

I'm all about comfort - my favorite pair of jeans have some of the biggest holes in them imaginable, but I still wear them :)

[Rei]

Always been conscious of my appearance. First, so I don't draw attention to myself, then, it's so I can look good (not for anyone else, but for my own self esteem).

Since I commited myself to this, then I have to pay attention to cost per wear and how best to get the most bang for my bucks. Hence the classic look (won't go out of style much). Neutral colors, with a touch of accessories to enhance the ensemble. Voila!

That's pretty much how I dress.
I'm all for things that I actually look good in and generally wouldn't go out of style. I really like wearing browns and army greens during the winter... I have no clue why. But otherwise I'm pretty good about having different colours in my wardrobe... I've even gotten back into wearing a little bit of pink.

[INTJoe]

If I go out to a club or any kind of formal event, I like to dress and clean up really well.

But on a day-to-day basis I've got scruffy facial hair and my hair can get kind of shaggy, if not long.

Often times I go to "mid-level" type restaurants like Olive Garden or whatever and I look like crap. This usually leads to poor service because I look like a poor bum, and subsequently leads to me leaving zero tip.

I really don't understand why I should have to dress up to get good service. I'm here. I'm paying for food. Serve me adequetely, please!!!

[rwyatt365]

I dress semi-well for work, but that's only because I'm a contractor and if they don't view me as an asset then I'm out the door (and out of a paycheck). When I was salaried, I was not a particularly "snappy" dresser – more like "serviceable". That probably led to my demise in the corporate world ("Did you see that guy?! He doesn't have on a tie! And he calls himself a manager.")

[Rei]

If I go out to a club or any kind of formal event, I like to dress and clean up really well.

But on a day-to-day basis I've got scruffy facial hair and my hair can get kind of shaggy, if not long.

Often times I go to "mid-level" type restaurants like Olive Garden or whatever and I look like crap. This usually leads to poor service because I look like a poor bum, and subsequently leads to me leaving zero tip.

I really don't understand why I should have to dress up to get good service. I'm here. I'm paying for food. Serve me adequetely, please!!!

You see, you have to dress like you're self-respecting to get respect. And imo, self-respecting people care enough about their appearance to 'look clean/neat/professional'

Hair and facial hair etc falling into a disheveled state is not... clean...

I don't know, maybe I'm just obsessive about looking neat and polished.

[Max T]

At work I dress smart after begrudgingly accepting that appearance matters hugely.
Blend-in 80% Comfort 20%.

At 'play' I dress as casually as can get away with- in the house I look a tramp (and very comfortable)!
Blend-in 20% Comfort 80%.

[INTJoe]

You see, you have to dress like you're self-respecting to get respect. And imo, self-respecting people care enough about their appearance to 'look clean/neat/professional'



My "self-respect" should be evident in my more permanent characteristics of having good teeth, clean skin, and being physically fit.

Long hair, facial hair, or shorts and a baseball hat at olive garden is just temporary comfort that shouldn't reflect negatively on my image. Only people who can't see the forest for the trees would think that was a bad image.

I mean, who has more self-respect? A snappy dresser with a BMI of 40, and zits, or a fitter person wearing comfort clothes out in public?

And before you answer, please realize that like 80% of Americans have a BMI of 40+ lol :)

[BlackHawk]

I usually wear jeans and a fleece (like a sweatshirt, only more comfortable, imo).
I keep my hair somewhat short (not a "buzz cut", but not shoulder length, either), and neat.

I'm a guy, btw.

[Hdier]

You see, you have to dress like you're self-respecting to get respect. And imo, self-respecting people care enough about their appearance to 'look clean/neat/professional'

I don't feel a need to 'look clean/neat/professional' for my self respect. My self respect depends on things such as morals, rather than appearance. Different people respect themselves because of different things, and I for one won't conform my dress for other peoples comfort if it goes against what I want.

[Rei]

My "self-respect" should be evident in my more permanent characteristics of having good teeth, clean skin, and being physically fit.

Long hair, facial hair, or shorts and a baseball hat at olive garden is just temporary comfort that shouldn't reflect negatively on my image. Only people who can't see the forest for the trees would think that was a bad image.

I mean, who has more self-respect? A snappy dresser with a BMI of 40, and zits, or a fitter person wearing comfort clothes out in public?

And before you answer, please realize that like 80% of Americans have a BMI of 40+ lol :)

The more permanent characteristics you mention were the basics of what I mean (the first and most important part of self-image). Your long hair/facial hair being neatly kept should be part of that. Dressing well should be a follow up on said fundamentals.

And you're right, dressing for comfort shouldn't reflect negatively on your image, but IMO not dressing appropriately for the venue does. (If you went to church on Sundays, would you go in shorts and a t-shirt? It's a matter of respect to the people around you as much as to yourself.)

BTW, I think people who are obese and don't care that they are are horrifying.

I don't feel a need to 'look clean/neat/professional' for my self respect. My self respect depends on things such as morals, rather than appearance. Different people respect themselves because of different things, and I for one won't conform my dress for other peoples comfort if it goes against what I want.

Who said anything about conforming?
You could dress like a hippy for all I care, I just think that people should dress so that they they feel AND look wonderful.

[INTJoe]

And you're right, dressing for comfort shouldn't reflect negatively on your image, but IMO not dressing appropriately for the venue does. (If you went to church on Sundays, would you go in shorts and a t-shirt? It's a matter of respect to the people around you as much as to yourself.)

I'm talking about walking into "nice' restaurants wearing cargo shorts, torn up tennis shoes, and a backwards hat and I haven't bathed today. lol.

A lot of people dress up when they go to Olive Garden, but those are the middle-class idiots who think that is a fancy restaurant. I, too, consider myself middle-class, but I know Olive Garden isn't worthy of me dressing up. lol. So, imo, it's all the other people who have the incorrect perception about the formality of where we are. Not me.

Oh, I definitely dress nicely for church. Sheesh! If I'm going to God's house I'm not going to try to look distracting in a negative way.

[Hdier]

As I said, for certain things I will dress up, though more often than not it is simply so that I won't stand out as much, however I do not dress up for church because I do not go to church. I'll talk about why on a different thread, so don't bother asking. Just know that it's not because I'm to lazy to or anything like that.

[Rei]

I'm talking about walking into "nice' restaurants wearing cargo shorts, torn up tennis shoes, and a backwards hat and I haven't bathed today. lol.

A lot of people dress up when they go to Olive Garden, but those are the middle-class idiots who think that is a fancy restaurant. I, too, consider myself middle-class, but I know Olive Garden isn't worthy of me dressing up. lol. So, imo, it's all the other people who have the incorrect perception about the formality of where we are. Not me.

Oh, I definitely dress nicely for church. Sheesh! If I'm going to God's house I'm not going to try to look distracting in a negative way.

I didn't mean Olive Garden specifically. I've never been to an Olive Garden so I can't judge. But I meant restaurants with waiters peeking over your shoulder with a napkin thing over his arm and all.
Aside from that I dress nice just for the sake of it... I enjoy spending time preparing myself for outings. It's part of my compulsive desire to plan/perfect everything...
I sometimes ACTUALLY FEEL grumpy when I look frumpy. Maybe it's just one of those bad F days =/

As I said, for certain things I will dress up, though more often than not it is simply so that I won't stand out as much, however I do not dress up for church because I do not go to church. I'll talk about why on a different thread, so don't bother asking. Just know that it's not because I'm to lazy to or anything like that.

I've been to a church on a Sunday maybe once in my life, and it was because my Christian aunt and uncle were 'babysitting' me for the day. I did not enjoy it at all.
I'm not at all religious... Nevertheless, if I had go to a church for whatever reason, I would dress nicely out of respect for the people who are there to worship. I don't care what other people think of me, I just don't enjoy offending/discomforting people.

[Hdier]

Yes, if I went to church I would dress up (now that I think about it, I do every Christmas), however that is an isolated incident simply because it is a church, because for me it is a matter of respecting God, even if I don't agree with what the church says/interprets. In normal circumstances, however I would not worry very much about dressing up.

[Rei]

Yes, if I went to church I would dress up (now that I think about it, I do every Christmas), however that is an isolated incident simply because it is a church, because for me it is a matter of respecting God, even if I don't agree with what the church says/interprets. In normal circumstances, however I would not worry very much about dressing up.

Hm... to each his/her own :thumbsup:

[Tsuru]

I used to pay more attention to grooming when I was younger, but I've been getting more unkempt out of laziness for awhile maybe to the point that it's probably not good to be so. I wear the same sets of clothes sometimes as much as 3-4 days in a row (if it's winter and I'm not sweating or anything), which is probably living kind of dangerously. -_- I haven't combed my hair for 4 years I think (mad scientist hair. yes!). Luckily I can get away with this because I work from home and I'm a homebody and generally don't like people anyways, teehee. :P

I wear black pants and a white collar/button shirt (or beige pants and blue shirt) pretty much every day. I've got a bunch. It's nice and simple. Maybe ideally I can get classy 17th century gentlemen's clothes (monocle, stove pipe hat, a cape, cane, ect) some day but until then it's fine. I don't like to spend time thinking about clothes when I could be thinking about my fiendish master plan. :o

[danalaina]

My "self-respect" should be evident in my more permanent characteristics of having good teeth, clean skin, and being physically fit.

Long hair, facial hair, or shorts and a baseball hat at olive garden is just temporary comfort that shouldn't reflect negatively on my image.

leave aside the idea of slovenly vs. neat and just think about how much processing has to happen when looking at them. i'm having a tough time putting the thought into words at the moment (curse you, Benadryl), but it's the same idea behind why minimalism is so much easier and less demanding on the eye.

a tidy room with only a few objects in it leaves the eyes and mind free to move on to other things. looking at a messy room is literally physically and mentally exhausting for me.

[INTJoe]

leave aside the idea of slovenly vs. neat and just think about how much processing has to happen when looking at them. i'm having a tough time putting the thought into words at the moment (curse you, Benadryl), but it's the same idea behind why minimalism is so much easier and less demanding on the eye.

a tidy room with only a few objects in it leaves the eyes and mind free to move on to other things. looking at a messy room is literally physically and mentally exhausting for me.

I don't disagree that people will judge based on you walking into a "nice" restaurant wearing a baseball hat and shorts, but I'm saying they shouldn't. And they shouldn't adjust their level of service based on what I'm wearing.

My net worth is probably higher than most of the people who dine at places like that, anyway. Just because I don't "flaunt" it, doesn't mean I don't have it, and am not willing to tip it.

[Hdier]

I have heard a rumor, though I do not know if it is true. Still worth sharing, though:

A couple went in to see the President of Yale. They were both wearing bad clothes, and the wife was even wearing a homespun dress. The secratary tried to put them off until they left, but they stayed for hours, so she finally let them in, as they (the secratary and president) didn't want them in the front office of the university. They told the president about their son, how he loved Yale, and how he had died last year. They said they wanted a memorial for him. The president said no, on the basis that they couldn't have a tombstone for every student. The couple, realizing the misunderstanding, said that they wanted to donate a building. The president looked at them, and told them that they wouldn't be able to afford it; he told them how much the physical part of the university cost. The man turned to his wife and said "Is that all it costs to run a university?" So, Mr. and Mrs. Stanford went off, and financed Stanford University for their son.

[umm]

Often times I go to "mid-level" type restaurants like Olive Garden or whatever and I look like crap. This usually leads to poor service because I look like a poor bum, and subsequently leads to me leaving zero tip.

I really don't understand why I should have to dress up to get good service. I'm here. I'm paying for food. Serve me adequetely, please!!!

I realize that this is my first post on this forum, and that I am coming in on this discussion a few days late, but I just thought I'd add a different perspective since I am a restaurant server at a restaurant very similar to the Olive Garden.

Ok, I know that I personally don't discriminate based on how someone looks, but their attitude does in some way have an impact on how I treat them. If someone comes in dressed like a bum, but is friendly as opposed to condescending towards me they will get better service. So, how do you act towards your server? However, over time you do pick up on general trends of your customers. Generally (but not always), people who dress nicer will leave a bigger tip. Therefore, if I am very busy, that nicer-dressed table might get a little more attention. It happens. Bad service is not always intentional or against the way you dress -- it has to do with how busy you are, and sometimes you have to prioritze. Also, if you are just eating with 1 other person, but I have two other tables that have more people at them, you and your guest will get lower priority because my larger parties will have larger bills.

Anyway, poor service (unless it's blatent discrimination) is no reason to not leave any tip. By not leaving a tip you are just further perpetuating that "people that don't dress up are cheap" stereotype. What would be the better thing to do would be to leave a tip of 15% (which is really not good, but is better than nothing), and simply write on the receipt that you received poor service, and if a manager is available then talk to the manager (plus, you might get a free meal out of it). You are not just paying for food when you go out to a restaurant. If you only want to pay for food, then the nearest McDonalds is readily available.

[ShaiGar]

I probably am dressing nicer than most people when I go out to a restaurant, even though sometimes it might only be to The Darwin Wharf. about 20% of the time however I am wearing my "Don't f**k with me" clothes which consist of torn and faded black cargo pants, a faded black t-shirt without a print, black joggers, thick black belt with metal studs, and my long hair down, as well as an unshaven face. I demand the best service and I get it, not only because I leave a tip for good service (in a country where that's unnecessary) but because I treat the staff with constant courtesy and good will.

I am an ENTP and the general stereotype for us is that we treat and see people for what's on their backs. You lot are Introverts, I would have thought that you'd deal with people for how the treat yourself and others. I am kind of ashamed of some of the people here and my previous thoughts of them.

[Learning]

I love colors & textures, but am also practical. So it depends on what I'm doing and who I'm with. I think "color therapy" is great, and sometimes use clothes that way.

[Pinkie]

My whole image is based on a kind of anti-image; basically, I wear very conservative stuff in relatively plain colours without strong patterns, not because I don't want to stand out, but because I don't want to stand out for wearing fluorescent pink and green, or whatever's in fashion at that point. I'd far rather people noticed me for a more 'quiet', for want of a better word, dress sense, which is quite an unusual thing now (or so it seems to me, anyway). Generally, I live in some sort of v-necked jumper/cardigan/top with a vest top or t-shirt under it, jeans, and either Converse or suede boots. I never wear anything that I would be ashamed of someone seeing me in, and I never wear anything specifically for someone else's benefit. The only time I dress any differently is if there's a uniform.

[Bear Warp]

My dress is plain without being boring. I wear the same shoes, jeans (not too dark or too light, not too loose or too tight), and sweatshirt (light gray, hooded, zip-up) every day. I cycle maybe four t-shirts, all dark colors and earth tones. The only thing that is bright in my wardrobe are my shoes, red low-cut Nike Air-Jordans (retro!).

I'm pretty meticulous when it comes to grooming. Nails are always trim, I have to take a daily shower, I even condition my hair weekly. Unless I'm staying home for the day, I'm clean shaven (even though I can't quite grow a full beard, a sad, sad fact). Can't stand body odor. I scrape my tongue daily and floss several times a week.

[xhaan]

You see, you have to dress like you're self-respecting to get respect. And imo, self-respecting people care enough about their appearance to 'look clean/neat/professional'

Hair and facial hair etc falling into a disheveled state is not... clean...

I don't know, maybe I'm just obsessive about looking neat and polished.

I tend to agree, and it is possible to appear self respecting and/or 'clean', without 'conforming', or being stylish.

Me, for example. I have long hair. I wash it, I also pull it back and keep it managed. Yes, it is long, but it is clean. It's not flying everywere, nor does it have trees/moss growing in it, or rats making their home there.

I also have a long goatee, which I do trim and shape to some extent, and try to keep clean. There are no twigs entangled in there, or yesterday's dinner.

Clothing, I tend to pick things that are functional. My casual wear may or may not have holes in it, as long as it's clean, I don't mind, but if I need to make an impression, I will choose something more discerning, such as some form of dress trousers, a real shirt, perhaps a vest over that. The style of course is up to me, that does not count towards 'clean and neat', IMO.

Sorry if I rambled, my former roomie just vistited me, and we had some drinks.

[Learning]

It's interesting to see the different perspectives and how they range. Some can be really perfectionistic about it, as if a science or an art. (i.e.- it has to meet specific requirements for comfort, fit, hygeine, etc.) And some enjoy individuality and non-conformity in this area. Sometimes I state the obvious...sorry. I can be easily amused at times:)

[rwyatt365]

It's interesting to see the different perspectives and how they range. Some can be really perfectionistic about it, as if a science or an art. (i.e.- it has to meet specific requirements for comfort, fit, hygeine, etc.) And some enjoy individuality and non-conformity in this area. Sometimes I state the obvious...sorry. I can be easily amused at times:)
It just goes to show that even though we (supposedly) have similar thought processes, the end expression is very individualistic.

So alike, yet so different - we are INTJ "snowflakes"!

[Nameless]

I am very preoccupied, although my hair is probably my number one place of importance. If it doesn't look good I will probably have a horrible day and check/fix it when nobody is looking. Even if it's to just go to a store or such. Clothes are another story though. Right now I really don't like what I wear that much, as it's kind of plain and simple. If I had more money and found the right sizes (I am very skinny), I would probably be much more adventurous and get dressed up all the time. Not for attention or for individuality, just because I like looking nice. It's a huge confidence booster.

[Antares]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

At school, I dress very basically and rarely tie my hair, but when I go to parties, I dress the best I can, often robbing my mother's closet. People always say: Wow... You look different (because I'm so dull most of the time). I usually dress for comfort and my personal style (which is quite tomboyish most of the time). I get the jewellery from my mother as well because hers is ridiculously expensive and exquisite. My best necklace is made of white gold, and I have four necklaces. The rest are made of quartz, sea shell and silver, quite common for my age.

I am very preoccupied, although my hair is probably my number one place of importance. If it doesn't look good I will probably have a horrible day and check/fix it when nobody is looking. Even if it's to just go to a store or such. Clothes are another story though. Right now I really don't like what I wear that much, as it's kind of plain and simple. If I had more money and found the right sizes (I am very skinny), I would probably be much more adventurous and get dressed up all the time. Not for attention or for individuality, just because I like looking nice. It's a huge confidence booster.

I do my hair in a way that it's hard to get messed up (sometimes i don't tye it, and sometimes I tie it in a ponytail. I rarely do anything else.). Like you, I'm terrified if my hair is out of place.

[Bossy Mom]

I never notice what other people are wearing (unless it's outrageous), and I'm not fashionable. I wear conservative, neat clothes to work, but at home and out-and-about I like shorts in the summer and jeans in the winter. My hair is short and curly, so little work is needed there.

My daughter can't understand me on this. She spends an hour on her hair, her clothes and her makeup just to go to the 7-11. She says, "You never know who you're going to meet." Yesterday I spent $130 at the salon having her hair cut and highlighted. Maybe because she's 17. This process took two hours and I spent it reading.

I just think spending so much time on clothes, etc., can be spent on important things -- like reading, quilting, etc.

[Zilal]

I put a lot of importance on wearing clothing that (a) actually fits my body, (b) is up-to-date in terms of style, and (c) is fairly conservative. I suppose I try to look good without looking like I'm trying to look good. I am a strategist and I want to make a good first impression, whether it's based on something shallow or not. However, my attempts to do this have been almost completely hampered by not being able to find things that fit me. I'm exceptionally gangly and while all the models on the runway might look like me, the stuff that's actually in the stores is totally unequal to the task of clothing my frame. So sometimes I look nice. A lot of the time I look like I'm wearing my pajamas. Or am.

[gallihand]

If its comfortable and not garish its good. However jeans and a grey t-shirt are the preferred to the point where putting on a collared shirt is a rare occasion. Short hair so I don't have to worry about it. Unfortunately while I personally don't put much into apparel I know that many do so I usually maintain a somewhat tidy appearance.

[Jedi_sena]

I used to make and sell costume and beaded jewelry, so I have plenty of it and notice when others wear jewelry, but besides my wedding ring, I don't wear any jewelry from day to day. I would never part with my jewelry, even though it has little value. Fascination with jewelry is a family trait; my mom is not a girly-girl, but always wears loud jewelry.

[Learning]

leave aside the idea of slovenly vs. neat and just think about how much processing has to happen when looking at them. i'm having a tough time putting the thought into words at the moment (curse you, Benadryl), but it's the same idea behind why minimalism is so much easier and less demanding on the eye.

a tidy room with only a few objects in it leaves the eyes and mind free to move on to other things. looking at a messy room is literally physically and mentally exhausting for me.

I agree about tidiness. You put that in a great way, that is what goes on in my mind when there's mess & why I prefer the minimal amount of stuff necessary. Thanks danalaina.

[Pinkie]

Re-reading this, I'm intrigued by the number of people who say they wouldn't rock up to church in any old clothing. Why not? I wear whatever I like to church.

[danibs]

It depends on my mood...
usually I like confortable clothes, wether they are pretty or not...
and sometimes I wear pretty clothes, ever though some of them are unconfortable...

[Blacklustre King]

Black with my long white blonde hair, simple as that.

[Paul V]

Black with my long white blonde hair, simple as that.

Same, only dark blue instead of black (Dark blond = lighter colour). Even though I've been told I look better on black, I just can't stand that colour. Or red. You won't catch me dead wearing anything red.

[slut poacher]

Re-reading this, I'm intrigued by the number of people who say they wouldn't rock up to church in any old clothing. Why not? I wear whatever I like to church.
i never understood the getting super spiffed up to go to church thing. god knows what you look like naked. shouldnt clothing be optional? that was the routine in the garden of eden.

[rwyatt365]

i never understood the getting super spiffed up to go to church thing. god knows what you look like naked. shouldnt clothing be optional? that was the routine in the garden of eden.
I don't know about naked :embarassed:, but "come as you are" is how I did it.

[Uytuun]

I have a thing for "strong" clothes i.e. no frills, but still unique and feminine. I don't like patterns as much as I do one item of clothing in a solid (and often bold, but not fluorescent :p) colour. Said item is then generally a bit unconventional in style and model.

An example of my style would be a high-waist, slightly pooffy, button down electric blue skirt (knee-length) paired with a simple black top and shoes. I feel that it expresses my quirky, individualistic and intellectual side, but also leaves room for my silly side. You shouldn't take yourself too seriously after all.

I'm sometimes told that I wear weird stuff.

It's also very striking that as far as men go, they apparently find the above attire to be a little too "strong", because generally, when a guy approaches me, this will be when I wear totally plain clothes (which I do, from time to time)...let's say a slightly flared lightblue pair of jeans with a white V-neck sweater, a striped blouse and sneakers. I guess it's less threatening.

[colmdubh]

I wear the same two shirt/tie combos to work everyday one for MWF and one for T-TH, it's just easier that way, I also have no one to impress...weekends I like a t-shirt and jeans and if I need to dress up I have a decent suit and several dress shirts...I'm not into cutting edge fashion but wear what I know looks good on me and try not to dress outdated

[Deni1265]

I wear jeans and t-shirts for every day, and my hair is to my waist -- because I like it, and because my mom says I'm too old to dress that way and wear long hair.

I like green, so I wear it a lot. I won't wear anything pink unless there's nothing else clean and I steal my daughter's shirts.

When I dress up, I like a pencil skirt or an a-line with spike heeled pumps and a nice blouse or sweater. I wear very little make-up just because I don't care. Eyeliner and mascara is fine.

[dandylion]

I always try to look presentable. That doesn't mean I go "all out" and dress up and whatnot, but I try to maintain a clean, decent appearance that's appropriate for my age, the location, and the occasion.

After staying in France for a while, my dad commented that the people there cared a lot about their appearance--they had to look nice wherever they go, even to the flea market or to the grocery store. I thought that was a bit strange at first, but then I remembered the rest of the world is different from California. :P We're not like New York where everyone owns a suit (although I do own a suit blazer, slacks, and a variety of dress shirts) and has to look sharp all the time, so my style, like most Californians, is pretty casual and laid-back.

I usually wear jeans, flip-flops, and tank top under a thin zip-up jacket, no matter what the weather, though in winter I'll change to sneakers or something. If I'm going out I'll put on nicer clothes.
I like jackets... a neat, structured jacket adds sophistication to any outfit. That's why I'm in love with blazers; I'm still working on my blazer/jacket collection--a girl's gotta have options. ;) When I go shopping, which is not often, I usually buy classics or whatever is really versatile (that is flattering, of course). I stick to the "quality over quantity" philosophy as well.

I dress comfortably, but that does not mean I let myself go. There is a difference between being comfortable and being just flat-out slovenly; it IS possible to look good and be comfortable, and at the same time not stand out from everyone else. It's really not that difficult. I don't understand why some people think it's okay to go out looking like they dressed in the dark, or worse, like they just woke up. There is a guy who goes to my school who can seriously pass for a modern caveman. His hair is long, frizzy/frumpy/ratty, and dirty-looking, not dissimilar to a homeless bum's--actually, I think homeless people have nicer hair than him (probably because they're not actually homeless)! He often sports sweatpants and ill-fitting, dirty t-shirts. While he is a nice, polite person, it is hard for me to truly respect him or take him seriously because he's dressing like he doesn't even respect himself. He may not be a bad person, but he is projecting the wrong image. Same thing applies for girls who dress slutty.

Think of it this way... if you walked into a restaurant and it looked like a dingy, seedy place with stained wallpaper and crap all over floors begging to be mopped and sloppily-dress employees, would you stay and dine? Probably not. It's likely they are violating a bunch of health codes and the food will be prepared improperly so customers may go home with food poisoning. Most people would pass up this place and take their business to the next establishment that looks clean and worthy. Likewise, if you choose to dress like you don't give a damn, people will get a certain impression of you, and you may not get the chance to change them wrong because they probably won't be interested in getting to know the real you. I realize that some people couldn't care less about what others think of them, but things like this are important especially for job interviews and being successful in careers and whatnot. Dress for success! Dude, if I tried to network while looking like a complete slob, no one would ever take me seriously.

Invest in yourselves, people. I think you're worth it. At least have a few quality staples to go to when you need them. :thumbsup:

[integratedvelocity]

As a college student, I am able to wear almost whatever I want most of the time. Since I have an early class on a few days, I usually only take about ten minutes to get ready. On these days, I wear jeans (ranging from indigo to washed out) with long or short-sleeved t-shirts, usually in shades of red, burgundy, or black. If I have a little more time, I might wear a polo or a nice printed t-shirt. T-shirt isn't quite the right word, since they have side seems and inset sleeves. A few days of the week, I wear nice sweaters or blouses, often with black or pinstriped pants, nice shoes, and makeup. Some days I just feel like dressing up.

Also, at my college, you have to constantly think about who you want writing your summer internship, law school, or grad school recommendations. If it looks like you come to class and view school as your job, it gives them a good impression (as long as you don't look like you are going to a fashion show). Personally, I have a certain fondness for business attire. Being able to wear a suit and nice shoes every day... I'm a little upset that I haven't had a reason to wear my suit yet this year :(

[PRBori]

Hmmm... I think it depends on the situation.

If my job requires professional attire, I will wear suits, mainly pants or long skirts.
If my job requires casual attire, I love wearing mostly pants with regular blouse, t-shirt, or sweater.
Fridays, well is jeans day for me.

In regards to my hair, well, just the normal pony tail, bun, or sometimes I leave it down, but very rare... since is too curly... and little kinky...hehehe...

In regards to my face, well I hate make-up. I only use it for special ocasions, therefore on a job I have no make-up unless is an interview or a training section.

I don't have many dresses, although I'm changing that. I don't like show much of my body, unless of course I'm with my men. I would actually go out with a sexy dress as long as he's by my side.

I like mainly neutral colors, burgandy, black, and brown. I also tend to wear red a lot...

And well, that's about it... extremely simple.

[AgentofGaming]

When I have exams I'll be unshaved and have bad hair that looks like I just got out of bed. ;D

My dressing is fast and efficient. As long as it's comfortable, not weird to me and doesn't stand out it's okay.

[ssfanatic]

I dress to blend in. I wear fashionable clothes not bec i want to be "cool", but bec i dont want to stand out like a sore thumb.
But i wont lie, im very particular about my hair. I had an acquaintance tell me last week that my hair looks exactly the same every day...just the way i like it :thumbsup:





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In regards to my hair, well, just the normal pony tail, bun, or sometimes I leave it down, but very rare... since is too curly... and little kinky...hehehe...



I have curly hair, i just keep it really short. Unfortunately, thats not an option for a girl :(

[Universe]

I always try to look presentable. I never leave the house with out make up on and with out my hair done, but my clothing style varies. Typically I wear jeans, a fitted shirt, converse or high heels, and silver rings.

[Nausved]

I used to worry about sticking out, so I'd go out of my way to dress as plainly and conservatively as humanly possible, to the point that it was starting to interfere with my efficiency.

When I was 16, I decided that this was a bad habit I needed to kick. I dyed my hair purple, painted my shoes, and wore the craziest hippie skirts I could find. Needless to say, I got all kinds of unwanted attention from strangers, and within a couple years I was completely immune to it.

I'm back to jeans and normal hair now, but I'm not anywhere as obsessive about disappearing into the crowds as I once was. Depending on what clothes I happen to grab first in the morning, I dress very plainly some days, and other days I dress very eccentrically. I simply don't care if people notice me or not; I certainly won't let such a minor concern dictate the way I dress again.

Fortunately I'm a science major, so I'm surrounded by people who could care less.

[Learning]

...I try to maintain a clean, decent appearance that's appropriate for my age, the location, and the occasion.
...Think of it this way... if you walked into a restaurant and it looked like a dingy, seedy place with stained wallpaper and crap all over floors begging to be mopped and sloppily-dress employees, would you stay and dine? Probably not.
Sad & true... most people do treat others differently based on appearance (not saying it's a positive thing, but true). They may even see it as having something to do with intellect b/c it is logically beneficial to simply look one's best. (Although this would vary from person to person and culture to culture). Might this be type-related as well? Some people just seem to naturally have perhaps more artistic/aesthetic ability than others do; plus the added benefit of being "in the know" of what's appropriate for an occasion- be it camping or visiting another country that's on the agenda. (Possibly linked to level of interest in social skills, as well?)
As a college student, I am able to wear almost whatever I want most of the time. ...Also, at my college, you have to constantly think about who you want writing your summer internship, law school, or grad school recommendations.
Lucky! Also, insightful.
I dress to blend in. I wear fashionable clothes not bec i want to be "cool", but bec i dont want to stand out like a sore thumb.

Interesting...makes it a bit easier to avoid unpleasant interactions.

[errrzarrr]

I do care about dress/grooming. Not the most stylish pimp, but I dress good.

[Aurelia]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

My style is not trendy or with the purpose of getting attention but I do like looking feminine and dressing well. My mother always emphasized eating healthy foods and taking care of your body so grooming is important to me as is working out. It has just been a lifelong habit. Yet I am not one of those women who packs on the makeup and curls my hair before going to the gym. It's important for me to be comfortable and to express my sense of style.

[eMachine]

I'm at home most of the time with my kids (toddler and newborn), so I just stay in jammies or comfy clothes most of the time.

When I have to go out somewhere I always make sure I'm presentable, clean and neat-looking. I don't try to stand out in any way, but the colors I wear aren't important to me. I don't try to be 'in style', because in rural Pennsylvania that tends to draw attention. I have long hair and generally I just make sure it is clean and brushed, either in a pony-tail or a clipped-up sort of bun. I have horrible bushy eye-brows naturally, so I make sure they are neatly plucked but I don't generally wear any make-up.

If I have to go out 'with the girls', I do wear make-up, just a base/foundation and eye-liner. I don't dress any differently for these occasions than I do otherwise, but I am more conscious about not showing any skin (long sleeves/collar) because I especially do not like any attention from drunk rednecks.

Oh, I have a bit of a pet-peeve about wearing shirts that have words on them... I don't like giving people a reason to stare at my chest... when you see someone wearing a shirt with some sort of 'comment' sprawled across it, it's difficult to not want to see what it says lol.

[Snowdragon]

I never leave the house with out flat-ironing my wavy hair.

As for dress: I ALWAYS wear jeans and a T-shirt. (I also have a hoodie collection) Image comes before being "comfy". Is being "comfy" an SFJ thing? If I vauled comfort that much, I would attach cushions to the a** part of my pants and call it fashion.

[Agile]

I dress subdued, a little formal, a little nerdy. I find that the way I carry myself attracts attention, regardless of what I wear, so if I don't try to blend in, I'll end up standing out anyway. I walk fast, head up, looking people in the eye. Eventually my clothing will reflect my direct nature, maybe it already does...some people might look at my style and call it boring...others are intimidated...not sure why...I get called 'Sir' alot in public. I'm too young for that.

[Mozzes]

I never leave the house with out flat-ironing my wavy hair.

As for dress: I ALWAYS wear jeans and a T-shirt. (I also have a hoodie collection) Image comes before being "comfy". Is being "comfy" an SFJ thing? If I vauled comfort that much, I would attach cushions to the a** part of my pants and call it fashion.

I don't get it, how is jeans and a t-shirt not "comfy"? That's about as casual as you can get short of looking homeless.

[Agile]

Sweatpants are far more comfortable than jeans. Actually any cotton or polyfiber that is not as stiff is preferable to jeans. Though I have to agree ---jeans and a t-shirt is dressed down.

[beverly penn]

in the material sense, clothing is not important to me. However, I know that most people I interact with on a day-to-day basis are visual and make judgments based on what they see. I dress a little bit feminine, in classic fashion (but not trends), and sometimes when I'm feeling more assertive I'll wear the old band t-shirt, leather jacket, worn jeans outfit. I don't have a pattern really, I just know by now how people react to me when these different aspects of my personality are expressed.

I think it's important that preconceptions of others are at least uncertain so that I am always in the position to analyze them as somebody to potentially become closer to. My logic is that if anybody had a problem with it, their conjecture about me would be unreasonable. People willing to trade information and speak to me for any decent length of time about any worthwhile subject know that I am very far displaced from the clothes I wear.

[Zadoc]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

Comfort, for sure. I wear a tie at work, I tuck in my shirt, et cetera. Like many fellow INTJs, I forced myself to learn how to behave like an "E," but I find such attire to be extremely uncomfortable, and being comfortable is something that I enjoy. As a result, I usually push the boundaries of what is and isn't dress code acceptable. I make up for it in my performance and quality of work, however, so there is nothing lost politically.

As for hair, I buzz it until it grows out. I am a very clean person, but I can't stand "doing" my hair. When I keep it short enough, I don't have to brush it at all when I get out of the shower. I should point out that I have some pretty uncontrollable hair, however. :)

[Snowdragon]

Frickles-

What I meant by comfort is by the standards of an ISFJ. ISFJs are careful dressers with an eye for color and of course, comfort. Jeans and a T shirt doesn't cut it for an ISFJ. My mom is an ISFJ (I think) and when it comes to dress, comfort always comes first (She perfers PJ bottoms to jeans).

[Anon722]

How pre-occupied are you with dress and grooming? Particular about clothes and hair? Do you dress to stand out and get noticed? To blend in? For comfort?

I'm male, straight, and I Love fashion!!

Now, serious. Fashion is a form of art. One of the best developed of our age.

[sriv]

I just pick out something comfortable that conforms and put it on. ROFL.

[Beery Swine]

My hair is buzzed with no guard so it's as close as possible. I let it go 2-3 weeks, then I do it again. I wear black Ts and khaki shorts or pants cuz a: that's what I'm used to, b: what I think looks good on me and c: its really easy. Maybe an occasional hat, like a band's hat or when its cold my viking or jester hat, or a knit skull cap.

I'm utilitarian.

[jesse]

I keep myself clean and my clothes as well. As long as you don't have a pungent stench, you're fine :cheesy:

[cctip8895]

I'm incredibly hygenic. Must shower and wash my hair every day. Clothes must be clean - I never wear anything twice without a washing in between. Sounds very persnikity, doesn't it?

Well, the flip side is that my style is very casual (jeans) and I'm not overly concerned with trends. I keep my style a little on the edge, but it has to look like an accident, if that makes sense. I don't wear anything that looks too contrived.

Same with my hair and make up. I take great pains to style my hair and apply my make up but I make just as much of an effort to make it look like I didn't take great pains to style my hair or apply my make up.

Geez, I just read that and, not only am I a bit confused, I'm also amazed that I ever make it out of the house.

[Karamazov]

Only concerned with good hygiene and overall cleanliness. Otherwise, It's jeans and a loose fitting shirt. Style has no bearing on me. (Jobs/special events being notable exceptions)

[phantasma]

I'm only concerned with how I dress as a girl and as an artist. I want to look pretty, and I want to play with color theory.

[x3r0]

I am quite particular about my appearance. I am always well dressed and well groomed. I also workout 6 days a week.

I have always been into fashion. Not so much to get noticed but more less to "feel" good in looking good.

[cRyPT]

I normally just wear t-shirts and jeans, regardless of the season.

My hair goes down to my nose and can be used to avoid eyes contact. I straighten it...

[Eric86]

I normally just wear [black] metal band shirts and jeans. Don't care about much else as long as I don't look like a bum.

[xtremegeek]

I wear neutral colors to work, but I still manage to stand out. I guess it's because I'm a tall female with dark features. I wear very little make-up. I do not wear jewelry to work; it's saved for fun. I have to shower at least once a day, sometimes twice. My hair is washed daily. I love bright colors and have plenty in my wardrobe, but I try to save them for weeknights and weekends, simply because I prefer to blend in at work. I never, ever wear lipstick.

I think men dressed in shirts/ties look sexy. But men in lab coats are the most sexy of all. Who cares what's under the lab coat. :-)

[Uberfuhrer]

I dress and groom for efficiency.

In terms of my hair, it is shaved to save both money on shampoo and to save time on combing. That, and when my hair grows back, it becomes a very unpleasant afro which I am compelled to shave off. I haven't let my hair grow ever since I started shaving it in the fourth grade.

In terms of clothes, I wear jeans and T-shirts from Wal-Mart. I have a lot of Cleveland Indians T-shirts, and other people assume that I'm a sports fanatic when I really am not. The shirt is just comfortable and affordable.

Not to worry, however, I shower daily, because if I don't, then I feel like I was doused with grease. Although I don't really like taking a shower unless it's sterile because showers accumulate mildew.

[WiredBrain]

I do worry about hygiene, but when it comes to style, my pick is something just good enough to blend in.

I've never worried about fashion or trends at all.

[Mercury]

I dress for comfort from head to toe. Unfortunately this comes off as me trying to be rebellious, or non-comformist, or feminist (like I refuse to wear a bra cause they are uncomfortable) or whatever. It's not even about all that, it's just easier for me to wear clothes that are comfortable than to dress like everyone else. I like soft, loose fitting clothing and comfortable shoes.

Hair - I have very thick hair and it's easiest for me to wear it in dreadlocks. I just have to wash my hair once a week, I don't have to comb it or anything. If I feel like doing something special with it, ok. But if not, there is very little I have to do to my hair.

Makeup - I do like makeup and often wear it, but if I don't it's no big deal. People tend to stare at me whether I have on makeup or not so whatever.

Hygiene - in general I shower daily but I have on occasion gone several days without. and I also like to wear the same clothes for days in a row, especially when I get on a writing streak.

[echoi]

I think age will be a large factor in this. In high school, I really didn't give a f***, but I have come to realize the importance of dress as I've become older. I think most INTJs don't necessarily care, but they do recognize the importance placed on dress by others, and tend to dress appropriately. Especially true for those of us in fields like law, business, management, etc.


Also, who doesn't like looking good? :thumbsup:


btw, i'm truly sorry for you INTJ girls. So much work! :yuck:

[AutisticCuckoo]

Jeans and T-shirt for me, most of the time. I won't wear a suit unless I absolutely must, like for funerals, weddings and other tragic events.

I've got a short, full beard, which I trim once a week. My hair is also short, but not extremely short. I go to the gym twice a week on my lunch break, and short hair is very convenient when you take a shower in the middle of the day, since it dries quickly.

I don't care much about my appearance, since it's a hopeless struggle anyway. Being 6'3" I can't expect to blend in, unless I start fraternizing with a basketball team.

[Elfrun]

Jeans, jeans, jeans, morning, day and night.


I do have a weakness for bags and shoes though :mellow:

[jadefalcon]

I am not very pre-occupied with such matters. I try to dress appropriatly with a nice collar shirt and some jeans, but other than that my hair can be ruffled and I trim my beard occasionally. I never had to worry about impressing someone like a girlfriend so my dress and grooming is lacking.

I like the way I look- I prefer a weathered look about me rather than being "primp" and fresh. That doesn't mean I dislike washing my face- I do so sometimes and it feels great. When I am very busy I can tend to neglect shaving sometimes, and I am fighting myself to brush my teeth more. I find that I get BO more often now in the summer so I shower more frequently.

I typically always get my hair buzzed at the stylist because I can't be bothered with fixing hair- I like short hair and it is better for sweating- I never have to deal with sweaty and messy hair.

[Dominguez]

i'm dressed comfortably and just to fit in for the most part.

[Phalanx]

I look like a savage at all times. My hair and beard are wild. My clothes are all stained with a mixture of my own blood and dirt. Everything is ripped and torn. Combined with my constant blank facial expression, I look like some kind of insane shipwreck survivor who just returned from the sixth dimension.

I think fashion has merit primarily as an artform (or employed in the utilitarian sense: for example the military, where command heirarchies must be established quickly and visually (business formal is not utilitarian)). A society which determines an individual's class in its heirarchy by their ability to emulate fashion trends is just as rediculous as a society which establishes class by an individual's ability to compose symphonies or paint frescoes. Imagine a world where Stravinsky is interviewing for a job and doesn't get it because Human Resources believes that employees who come to work composing all polytonally (how dare they!) are inferior to employees who come to work writing the socially acceptable and prevalent I-IV-V-I. Forgive me if the frightening discordant tones of my appearance bring dramatic tension to the uniform predictability of your life's overture. And like all dischord, it hungers to be resolved with something, some kind of judgement perhaps, anything at all to bring the offender to his appropriate level: I am but a vagrant, uncultured and stupid, set in my plebian ways.. my uglyitude is but a measure of my inferiority to you, member of a great and powerful system! Or perhaps it is the hint of a freedom I enjoy that those caged in the labors of our post-industrial world will never taste. But how can you make money if you are ugly??? I am currently designing an elaborate aeroponic system to supply me with food so I don't need money/employment and can finally wear whatever I want. Such is the cost of freedom.

I like elaborate hats.

[44sunsets]

All INTJs I know (male and female) tend to dress very conservatively and blend in. On the rare occasion when they do dress up, they look *sexy*.
/hubba hubba

[azelismia]

I think age will be a large factor in this. In high school, I really didn't give a f***, but I have come to realize the importance of dress as I've become older. I think most INTJs don't necessarily care, but they do recognize the importance placed on dress by others, and tend to dress appropriately. Especially true for those of us in fields like law, business, management, etc.


Also, who doesn't like looking good? :thumbsup:


btw, i'm truly sorry for you INTJ girls. So much work! :yuck:

I am opposite. I cared in high school. I was a "mod" although it was quite often mixed with a sort of beatnik look. I did all sorts of crazy things to my hair. I cared thru my mid 20's. it's tapered off year after year how much I care about image. I had a incident that made me fear hairdressers in my mid 20's, so since then I've just worn it long and straight. I go for comfort. Jeans sweaters that sort of thing. My latest concession was giving up converse for those ugly running shoes. My doc convinced me that after a broken ankle no support was a bad thing.





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I like elaborate hats.


I have been kind of hankering after one of those hats with ears. the problem is I'd probably be tempted to wear it to work and the army of ESFJ women that I work with would rear up as a single great beast and howl with fury.. and they're bad enough as it is....

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I'd post a link to the actual site I am thinking about buying from but I am unsure if that's against the rules here.

I am not into anime though.. I just really like those hats.

[anul]

I enjoy wearing dress pants, I find them to be very comfortable. I haven't had a haircut in over three years. I find picking hair styles strange and intimidating. So I've just let it grow out, and put it up so it's out of my face. I hate shaving, it's a waste of time and money. I generally shave about once a week.