The Disappearing Male

[elsdfr]

This documentary (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is quite compelling:


The Disappearing Male

"We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects." Dr. Herbert Needleman

The Disappearing Male is about one of the most important, and least publicized, issues facing the human species: the toxic threat to the male reproductive system.

The last few decades have seen steady and dramatic increases in the incidence of boys and young men suffering from genital deformities, low sperm count, sperm abnormalities and testicular cancer.
baby Some researchers say that declining male fertility rates could be the first sign of extinction.

At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia.

The Disappearing Male takes a close and disturbing look at what many doctors and researchers now suspect are responsible for many of these problems: a class of common chemicals that are ubiquitous in our world.

Found in everything from shampoo, sunglasses, meat and dairy products, carpet, cosmetics and baby bottles, they are called "hormone mimicking" or "endocrine disrupting" chemicals and they may be starting to damage the most basic building blocks of human development.

[Alexander]

And part of this story is that as a over correction of sexism in the past. Much more funding goes into things like breast cancer and other female problems despite the fact that other problems kill many more men than women.

I'm watching the video right now, pretty interesting. Validates my avoidance of as many chemicals as possible. Though I know this isn't the heart of the problem.

[OrrDavey]

Fortunately I am developed just fine and, if I had to, I'd help humanity from going extinct.

Okay seriously though. This sounds like some hippie BS to me.

[PortInStorm]

Wow, pretty fascinating. A couple of thoughts:
a) Again, yay Canada making at least a token gesture by removing some baby bottles from the market (but one can only imagine what will happen if parents are forced to use glass again)
b) I'm not so worried about us not being able to reproduce, because we need something to reduce the population growth. Yes, I know there are fewer kids, but that's mostly in Western cultures only.
c) I am more worried about organ and brain damage of unborn kids, since they're the ones whose intellect we'll rely on to keep this country moving
d) I darkly wonder if we'll be importing men from India and Asia since they are aborting girls like crazy, and we can't have as many boys.

And yes, as a woman, I wondered for years where the cancer fundraising was for men. Actually, I think there was an expose recently (book and "The Agenda" TV show) on how money is mismanaged in some breast cancer research initiatives ie. they had enough money already (spearheaded by a woman).

Finally, I love and need men. For a while I've been seeing more of my friends have girls than boys and have wondered if there would be an imbalance. I can't believe that it's true and I just can't imagine a world with fewer, more effeminate men. It's my nightmare- only surrounded by women.

[whiteslate]

Caught the docu:
Was aware about exposure to plastics and its risks for some years, but found it too time-consuming and expensive to protect myself, and what more my family, frm such contaminants.

Also, I think that the makers of this expose should have added BCPs as well to their list of chemicals/issues reducing the reproductive development of male organisms.

Try this link : To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Birth control pills almost always inhibits the testosterone, and as chemicals causing this is being released and is prevalent in the water cycle, it is of no surprise that even alligators in the swamps across america now have testosterone levels that is as low as the females'. FYI, these chemical compound are also the very same ones male transgenders consume to alter their bodies into that of a feminine form. [Brand-names are Diane-35, etc.]

Another note: I have PCOS, and gyne said tt it would take a minor miracle to bear a child. It is scary though how my taking certain pills to help correct my condition - I still have hope - would then have an adverse fx on the environment; as I released back these chemicals I ingested into the water cycle.

Anyone dare to lobby the BCP industry, then?

[probity]

I just heard about this in class last week. Very interesting.
I definitely want to do some more reading on it.

[thod]

I recall similar studies 20 years ago. We all have lower sperm counts than our grandfathers. Fish in rivers have problems due to the chemicals turning them all female. I don't like the idea that I am less of a man than my father. Women should not too. I know some women get on well with gays, but that is different from raw sex appeal.

[whiteslate]

Not gays, I guess, but effeminate men. The rise of the metrosexuals. Give us back our real men!

But; second thoughts - back to a certain Utopian worldview; perhaps we should think of this as Darwinian's survival of the fittest . .. gender. And perhaps we might just all evolve into genderless, highly evolved, uber beings without ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia.

NO offense to anyone living with those conditions tho; I'm mildly Autistic myself. Understand tt these conditions are often present in highly gifted individuals as well; that differentiation and anomalies occur FOR the survival of the species.

It's just that perhaps, with a single gender - that could still procreate, of course, there'd be more harmony within the/our futurekind. Perhaps not - but I find it an amusing thought.

[changos]

Again and again, lets be rebels!, keeping a normal and healthy way of life is in fact, the only way to have a life. Look for what you eat and eat well. Soon, many differences appear making you way different than the others. Take per example zinc... and how couples have a hard time having kids with stress involved. Stress is a killer.

The funny thing is, one or two healthy guys are enough to make more babies.

I have some speculation about the following myself: my grandmother used to say that many of the problems found in "modern life" is because our body is programmed to have sex and kids at certain age... and we are denying all this to ourselves, now couples have kids at the double of the age they used to have them before.

Then again... we are what we eat. (the link gives me an error...)

[Autoptic]

I have some speculation about the following myself: my grandmother used to say that many of the problems found in "modern life" is because our body is programmed to have sex and kids at certain age... and we are denying all this to ourselves, now couples have kids at the double of the age they used to have them before.

You mean as teenagers like cavemen?

[changos]

You mean as teenagers like cavemen?
Yep, but with ipods.

I'm not sure about the following: 4 girls I know above 29 years old were having some sort of problems with their reproductive system. Yes, virgin and fanatic with religion waiting for the prince charm. Their doctor (4 diff doctors) told each one they should begin to have sexual activity as it is very helpful. There was nothing going on between them and me, nor with the doctor. Was the doctor trying to get something?

Yes, at first sounds weird to me, but a quick view to our evolution shows that if you don't use something for very long... it usually stops working.

[Antares]

And part of this story is that as a over correction of sexism in the past. Much more funding goes into things like breast cancer and other female problems despite the fact that other problems kill many more men than women.

I'm watching the video right now, pretty interesting. Validates my avoidance of as many chemicals as possible. Though I know this isn't the heart of the problem.

If that is true, then we ought to balance the funding of both sexes to ensure that this problem doesn't bite us in the behind once reality hits.

[dalidaisy]

If smart people would just do their best to avoid putting unnatural things in their bodies & strive to be healthy, this won't be a problem. Let the stupid people become infertile. Do they really need to reproduce? Let them keep eating fast food, aspartame & genetically enhanced foods. From what I've seen, smart people tend to have smart kids. Teach them well & human society can flourish...

I cannot understand how you could watch this documentary & not take something away from it. Whether you choose to believe it or not, why take a chance? Is avoiding chemicals so bad & aren't your genitals worth it?

[psuedoluminary]

I wouldn't be surprised if more men are infertile (given the processed crap we eat... and cell phone waves)- but is that such a bad thing? We certainly don't need any more people on this Earth!

As for "gender identity" I think it is more socially constructed- after all effemination is a subjective concept*

[Vagrant]

If smart people would just do their best to avoid putting unnatural things in their bodies & strive to be healthy, this won't be a problem. Let the stupid people become infertile. Do they really need to reproduce? Let them keep eating fast food, aspartame & genetically enhanced foods. From what I've seen, smart people tend to have smart kids. Teach them well & human society can flourish...

I cannot understand how you could watch this documentary & not take something away from it. Whether you choose to believe it or not, why take a chance? Is avoiding chemicals so bad & aren't your genitals worth it?

The thing is that it REALLY isn't easy. There's all these things that you might not even recognize as dangerous chemicals -- you basically have to know all petroleum-based products, as well as various creams, lotions, etc.

[dalidaisy]

But, you can still do your best with what you DO know & expand your knowledge on the subject. Better than saying "What the hell, I'm not sure what dangerous & what's not, so why bother..."

[whiteslate]

pseudo: 'Children of Men' // 2027
It's a scary thought if you've watched the film

[Deliberator]

pseudo: 'Children of Men' // 2027
It's a scary thought if you've watched the film

That movie was the worst I've seen in years. Demon baby.


Anyway, I've heard about this problem but it doesn't explain the birth defects entirely. Those could also be caused by drugs, and estrogen in females could be high due to obesity as well.

[Adarasnow]

This is all a bunch of hog-wash. Men today are just wussies. They don't know how to be men, but Peter Pans who never grow up and have causal sex. They don't have jobs and they don't know how to take care of themselves, that's the disappearing man. So what for low sperm count. I don't see people not having babies or stop having sex for "Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."

Man up!

Little boys need fathers. That's where the chemical lacks.

[Vagrant]

I would be very, very sad if you weren't being sarcastic.

[blatant]

This is all a bunch of hog-wash. Men today are just wussies. They don't know how to be men, but Peter Pans who never grow up and have causal sex. They don't have jobs and they don't know how to take care of themselves, that's the disappearing man. So what for low sperm count. I don't see people not having babies or stop having sex for "Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."

Man up!

Little boys need fathers. That's where the chemical lacks.

hahahaha, i so agree!

men are such babies.

[NZPixie]

I have read a bit about this, about how the Y chromosome is slowy degenerating throughout the generations as well. I think we definitly need to be aware of this and stop it happening. I would be lost without men, I like them and I like to have sex with them. I don't really feel like being a lesbian.

On the other hand I can agree with above comments about men growing the F**** up and taking some responsiblity for their own health and their own lives.

[Samoan Corleone]

And part of this story is that as a over correction of sexism in the past. Much more funding goes into things like breast cancer and other female problems despite the fact that other problems kill many more men than women.

I'm watching the video right now, pretty interesting. Validates my avoidance of as many chemicals as possible. Though I know this isn't the heart of the problem.

I agree with that! Here in New Zealand there are advertisements about mamograms and cervical cancer all the time, but there's not as much emphasis placed on testicular cancer and other male-related health problems.





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This is all a bunch of hog-wash. Men today are just wussies. They don't know how to be men, but Peter Pans who never grow up and have causal sex. They don't have jobs and they don't know how to take care of themselves, that's the disappearing man. So what for low sperm count. I don't see people not having babies or stop having sex for "Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."

Man up!

Little boys need fathers. That's where the chemical lacks.

BIG generalisation!

[Adarasnow]

BIG generalisation!

We all wish that it were. Men always try to get out of responsibility. Just man up and be fathers. And they wouldn't have these wussy little boys running around.

[elsdfr]

What on earth does men who don't "man up" have to do with the lower conception rates of males and the increases in defective sperm and other related biological problems? How can you definitely say that none of the thousands of new substances that have been put into peoples diets don't somehow have an effect on these processes?

Might help some of you actually watched the whole video I think.

And so what if it's happening? Science will fix it (again)! :rolleyes:

[Nemesis]

This is all a bunch of hog-wash. Men today are just wussies. They don't know how to be men, but Peter Pans who never grow up and have causal sex. They don't have jobs and they don't know how to take care of themselves, that's the disappearing man. So what for low sperm count. I don't see people not having babies or stop having sex for "Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."

Man up!

Little boys need fathers. That's where the chemical lacks.

Can I ask you to clarify this statement a bit more? What do you consider a "real man"?

[pocohauntus]

"Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."
Wouldn't that be pre-ejaculate?

[Night Runner]

Wouldn't that be pre-ejaculate?

Or premature ejaculation? *shrug*

This topic reminded me of a brilliant comic book series - Y: The Last Man (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.). Every male mammal on earth suddenly dies, with the exception of an American 20-something English major and his pet monkey. The story follows his never-ending quest to find his girlfriend, who was in Australia when half of the world died. It was pretty interesting, at least from the sociological point of view...

[Storm]

Or premature ejaculation? *shrug*

This topic reminded me of a brilliant comic book series - Y: The Last Man. Every male mammal on earth suddenly dies, with the exception of an American 20-something English major and his pet monkey. The story follows his never-ending quest to find his girlfriend, who was in Australia when half of the world died. It was pretty interesting, at least from the sociological point of view...

He's the last man on Earth and he tries to find his girlfriend a few continents over? Wow, that's committment.

[callmemigs]

This is all a bunch of hog-wash. Men today are just wussies. They don't know how to be men, but Peter Pans who never grow up and have causal sex. They don't have jobs and they don't know how to take care of themselves, that's the disappearing man. So what for low sperm count. I don't see people not having babies or stop having sex for "Oh excuse me, my pre-ejucation is all you're going to get sweetheart."

Man up!

Little boys need fathers. That's where the chemical lacks.

Wow Adarasnow! You should better get out of your house and meet more guys before you attack all of us in one single paragraph and two sentences trailing after it.

I'm sorry but I don't fit your description. I know thyself.

This documentary (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) is quite compelling:


The Disappearing Male

"We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects." Dr. Herbert Needleman

The Disappearing Male is about one of the most important, and least publicized, issues facing the human species: the toxic threat to the male reproductive system.

The last few decades have seen steady and dramatic increases in the incidence of boys and young men suffering from genital deformities, low sperm count, sperm abnormalities and testicular cancer.
baby Some researchers say that declining male fertility rates could be the first sign of extinction.

At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia.

The Disappearing Male takes a close and disturbing look at what many doctors and researchers now suspect are responsible for many of these problems: a class of common chemicals that are ubiquitous in our world.

Found in everything from shampoo, sunglasses, meat and dairy products, carpet, cosmetics and baby bottles, they are called "hormone mimicking" or "endocrine disrupting" chemicals and they may be starting to damage the most basic building blocks of human development.

I'm sorry but are you posting some false statistics? I think this sounds like a junk science for public advocates to use as their own vehicle of attention-seeking to the public.

[JustMel]

Is it possible that rather than being all the fault of chemicals it's a natural imbalance that is leading to the lower testosterone levels? Evolution's attempt at population control? I'm not discounting the potential it is the chemicals just questioning in general.

This reminds me of my whole alligator thread where the egg was incubated at a temperature to produce a male and hormonally changed to female.

[zibber]

Fortunately I am developed just fine and, if I had to, I'd help humanity from going extinct.

Okay seriously though. This sounds like some hippie BS to me.


I'm sorry but are you posting some false statistics? I think this sounds like a junk science for public advocates to use as their own vehicle of attention-seeking to the public.

Have you guys at least watched the documentary or done some elementary research on the matter?

[Night Runner]

He's the last man on Earth and he tries to find his girlfriend a few continents over? Wow, that's committment.

Yup. Well, he kind of "slips" along the way a few times. ;) He's not a Puritan - just a really nerdy English major.