What types are compatible with INTJs? [Archive]

wolf

10-11-2007, 07:42 AM

Be aware that each of these has exceptions, meaning even if they are the type (and not mis-typed, which is common in at least three of these), there are probably more reasons it wouldn't work than reasons it would.

In order of most likely to succeed:
1) INTJ, if similar life experiences, different rigid areas, and/or other high degrees of similarity. If not, possibly the most incompatible.
(It was hard to select which was #2, or even which should go first of the following two.)
2.1) INFJ, which may be controversial, but I know that at least in my experience we do great together. It's critical to find one that is on the same wavelength and believes the best of everything coming from you most of the time. If not, it can degrade rapidly with their conspiracy theorizing. Warning: May become dependent.
2.2) INTP, but chances are that any particular INTP you meet is not actually an INTP because most are mis-typed. They are prime sources of high-grade ideas, good game partners, low-maintenance, and excellent for intellectual discussions. They tend to be far messier than I like. They will not intrude on your personal time, but then you might forget they're around too, because they're just that independent and quiet.
3) INFP, except they're often spacey and don't really contribute to intellectual discussions. Second only to the INFJ for taking care of your needs while still being intelligent, since they like serving but they're easier to communicate with than ISFJs. Warning: Will become dependent.
4) ENFP, because they're the most introverted of the extroverts (they often look like an introvert for a good percentage of time) and they are independent like us. We don't have dependence issues with them, though you need to be able to completely trust that particular one, and if you doubt they are trustworthy, don't continue.
5) ISFJ, because they're like INFPs, only absolutely loyal to a fault and cleaner. You will never have an intellectual discussion with one (unless they happen to be really bright, which is rare; even if they are, they believe they're nowhere near as bright as they are) and their misuse of words will constantly grate on you, but they take care of your needs (keep your house straightened/environment clean, tend to make good food, feed you regularly, etc) and are the least demanding for doing so. Warning: Always dependent.
6) ISTJ, which are really cold and annoying, but not totally offensive. You'll never have an intellectual discussion with one (if you believe you have, you were somehow duped - they are like talking to a living, breathing, textbook), but they won't misuse words. They'll keep your environment clean, but hold it over you, even if they don't tell you that. They don't tend to make good food, but they can be frugal and if you get them when they're young and malleable, they are ripe for training into whatever you need/want. They're most useful in work environments and probably the least endurable for relationships while not being totally incompatible.

Additional mention:
- ESFP - Fun, momentarily.
- ESTJ, ESFJ, ENTJ, ENFJ - Avoid at all costs, will try to control you and run your life. Will force you to participate in social activities you don't want to do. They have no respect for introvert recharge time.
- ESTP - Conniving creeps and whores, will cheat on and exploit you for whatever you're worth.
- ENTP - Will cheat on you and act like it's nothing. Tends to exploit, but not as bad as the ESTP.
- ISTP - Most common fake INTP. Can be identified by the fact they participate in sports consistently (daily run, daily gym time...just look for regularity in sports - INTPs seldom participate and never on a fixed schedule), mechanically-inclined, and marginally-cleaner.
- ISFP - Expensive and lack any discernible redeeming qualities.

Firelie

10-11-2007, 09:08 AM

The only boyfriend I've had that I knew well enough to type was probably an ISTJ. *He was a really sweet guy, if a bit dull (I don't think I ever had a conversation with him that wasn't about work or home life). *I think he might have made a better roommate than a partner, though.

As someone said earlier, ENFJ will try to control you. *Case in point, my closest ENFJ friend basically ran her boyfriend off by calling him obsessively when he wasn't able to come over as they'd planned. *On one hand I feel bad for her not being able to keep a relationship, but on the other hand, *I want to warn all the guys she's after to run for the hills.

Rei

10-11-2007, 09:49 AM

INTJ&INTPs = magical ::)
ESTJs = generally intriguing. Different, but the same. Casual but constructive conversation.
ENTJ&ENFPs = Great friends... random chats that are nicely facilitated by their E :thumbsup: But when it comes down to it, the interest doesn't last long
INFPs = they're fun, starking difference, but in a laid back way... good girl talk... get in touch with my F ;)

ESFJs = I've known a few... I get less and less patient with them the older I get. I've cut one out because she was really annoying me. Other ones I've learned to just stay away from. Unfortunately, my sister is an ESFJ... and I'll have to cope with her for the rest of either of our existences *sigh*

Haven't really had anyone close that were any of the other types. I can have fun with them... as long as I suppress my J.

Firelie

10-11-2007, 04:39 PM

Oh! I meant to add this to my earlier post... My mom tries to tell me "opposites attract" (to which I have to reply "Not always"), but I highly doubt that works well for INTJs.

I have an ESFP coworker and she's very friendly, very funny, and she's a blast to talk with, but oh dear god she annoys the crap out of me at all other times. She's one of those people who is wholly in the present--in other words, she has no ability to think ahead. She also rarely thinks for herself, doesn't think about other people's needs, and hardly pays attention to what she's doing (which is awful since she's the one that does all of the filing that is frequently used by everyone in the office).
I can't imagine having a relationship with someone like that...especially when I can only take small doses of someone I *don't* have a relationship with.

MichaelH

10-12-2007, 12:30 AM

I have a strong love/hate relationship with my ESFP spouse. When I get enough alone time, we get along great. When I'm not getting it, things go sour quickly.

I can totally relate to the ESFP co-worker living in the present. The spouse HATES planning. At least he's smart enough to realize he has to do it sometimes, but whenever I try to talk about "five years in the future" he flips out and the discussion is over.

Fortunately, five years IS a fair ways away...

anul

10-12-2007, 02:40 AM

ENTP- I get along with ENTP's quite well, maybe even better than most personality types.

ENTJ- They scare and amuse me greatly. When I act extroverted I love being a stereotypical ENTJ asshole, and nothing really brings me that kind of joy.

ENFP- Easy to control and see their true motives. I get along with them fine and when I was younger I had several ENFP friends. They tend to be compatible with NT's but they just like to pretend that they're NT's, which isn't a bad thing. They just have a high rate of drama surrounding them which can be amusing. Plus they want my approval, but I'll never give it to them MWAHAHAHAHAH.

the-writer

10-12-2007, 01:59 PM

I am married to an ISFJ and it tends to work pretty well for us (17 years and going strong).

She has a lot more empathy than I do (of course) and actually makes me leave the house.

Looking back, I dated a few E's and a few I's. The E's would tend to annoy me after a while because they were too loud and I had trouble thinking. :D

Even as a married person, the people I tend to think of as "attractive" tend to be I's who kind of sit back. Not sure I've ever met an INTJ female or if that would be a good type of match or not.

My daughter is an INTP and my son is an ESFP. It's taken me most of his eight years to figure out the best way to communicate with him. Of course, as an INTJ, I keep working on systems to relate to him the best way I can.
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Jeroen Jan-Willem

10-13-2007, 01:46 PM

My wife is an ENFP. I generally like NFs, but clash easily with NFJs. I have liked quite a few INFPs but I am not convinced that the combination is great. I think there are easily difficulties between introverts with rather different types of viewpoints. I had tried a relationship with an ESFP in the past, but that wasn't a success (largely communication difficulties).

mind_wander

10-15-2007, 06:59 AM

Rei

10-15-2007, 09:22 AM

As being an Asian guy INTJ, its hard to get into true relationships; rather become more or less friends.

Here is a good questions for INTJ's:
Which personality would you prefer on relationships?[INTJ/INTJ]

INTJ/INTJ as partners can be both positive and negative. Arguements can arise, if someone who wants to prove the other one wrong, hey that's why we INTJ's exists. We hate that, but if its logical then arguements can further reduced without being emotional/pshychological about it. The positive side, wow he/she actually know what I am talking about. Is that person a physic? I say the word, the other finishes it.

But it says that INTJ's are more compatible with ENFP/ENTP[great conversations]/INFJ's, etc. Can some one prove me wrong?, I've promise your comments will be treated with respect.

Hey, being an INTJ GIRL and Asian makes it even harder to get into a relationship. (I swear, Asians are one of the most sexist people in the world). I guess I make it really hard for people to approach me, but that's for another thread. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.)

Finishing sentences... It just works out that way when your brains are on the same wavelength. You'll see a lot of that in this forum... But you'll also see a lot of severe disagreement.

Preferance? ETJ's ... But I can't be sure as I haven't been in a relationship with one.

Compatibility? I think there's another thread for that topic too. (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) But I guess it's not as specific as you want it to be.

mind_wander

10-15-2007, 09:51 AM

There is no definite answer, but there are 16 possible personality types. Yeah, being Asian dude is hard, the social norms is conflicting for me; as you said the wavelength is different. I tend to get along with other nationalities, even Asians.

Since you said your Asian female, not sure what's your language. But mine is Chinese mandarin.
Ni hao, hen ke yi jian dao yi ge nu de INTJ, xing ge?

Rei

10-15-2007, 10:51 AM

There is no definite answer, but there are 16 possible personality types. Yeah, being Asian dude is hard, the social norms is conflicting for me; as you said the wavelength is different. I tend to get along with other nationalities, even Asians.
Social norm. I'm finding it less a problem of ethinc group than it is personality type. I have a lot more in common, even in terms of values among INTJs than among many Asian people I know.

mind_wander

10-15-2007, 12:51 PM

I am not saying, I fully have problems with ethnicities goes; like Asians. Not alot of Asians in my classes and around my areas. So maybe this is where I am lacking the Asian diversity. Majority of the times in school; I am the only Asian in class; lonely, huh. On top of that, my way of thinking is very different than the others around me. I only used these skills when there is a given assignment. Overall, I have no problem interacting with other Asians, if its meet face to face.

Tarrick

10-18-2007, 12:33 AM

It's really more about the strength of the type I think.

Strong Es annoy the crap out of me, but a weak E can make things interesting without making me see red.
As for S types...they generally just don't get what I'm saying. So they're out, unless they have a weak S and have some N abilities.
F types....keep it low level and well be okay.
And P people...they are tolerable so long as they allow themselves to be wrangled when the time comes.

StJimmy

10-18-2007, 01:53 AM

right on tarrick.

as i've said before i married an ENFJ. she's not very E, very N and F. moderate J. the very F part, well suffice to say it takes work. she understands how i function; i don't have to be as insistent about things as much anymore when i "know" something, but i just suspect that is because she has come to relish the "i told you so!" opportunities.

anyway we are an awesome team; i wouldn't even say that i am the "dominant" personality, either. we are both deeply affected by our partnership. she is very easygoing and laid back, with a natural way of "handling" people. suffice to say we are very convincing in what i like to call "tag team persuasion."

the ultimate frontman. utterly loyal. i shall stop lest i burst into tears.

gebstone

11-21-2007, 10:01 AM

just wanna know, but as an INTJ which types suits us the most when dating?
is it another INTJ or some E/S type?
comments and thoughts much appreciated.

BlackHawk

11-21-2007, 10:37 AM

I have limited experience in this area, but I think that MBTI types do not provide more than a rough baseline for judging attraction. I have heard in many places that male INTJs will seek out a more "E" person, whereas female INTJs will try to find another INTJ. But you should never rule out anyone just because of their MBTI type when looking for a relationship.

logan235711

11-21-2007, 11:58 AM

supposedly ENFPs by MBTI standard : )

Here's a quote from David Keirsey--however most NFs feel like his description of NFs isn't accurate, so use at your own discretion

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Gaius Baltar

11-21-2007, 02:38 PM

Paul V

11-21-2007, 07:17 PM

I want an introverted idealist (don't care for what. I'll settle for friendship). INFX intrigue me very much. I want someone with whom I can sustain an intelligent conversation, but whose focus is different than mine (I want them to be N, so we're speaking in the same language, but F so I can see the other side as well). My preference for Introversion is a purely practical thing. If I hear someone telling me I need to be more sociable, I'll scream. J and P don't matter, but if they're J, then all the best. More stuff in common.

INTJgal

11-21-2007, 09:29 PM

INTJgal

11-21-2007, 09:32 PM

Yeah, I'd be careful with that article just posted. In my experiences, Idealists are bad news. You'll get along with them great... at first. Before six months is out, however, they'll explode in the most fiery way imaginable leaving you completely clueless as to what exactly went wrong.

The only exception to this is the ENFPs. I love ENFPs for some strange and inexplicable reason. They love INTJs too, and I'm sure they're just as baffled by it.

I :lovestruck: idealists. Just find the Healthy Versions and develop some Fi, dammit!:thumbsup:

ENFPs are my favorite friends. I think their P-ness would drive me insane though, as I'm a weak J. J enough to know i desire structure to not get stressed and so I can do my best, but not J enough to provide this for myself. :(

Meyer

11-22-2007, 12:35 AM

In my experience rationals that desire a long term relationship do well with idealists. INFJs are great if your ready to commit. If your not, look out. I have no experience with enfps or js but I hope to one day.

Warren_Wong

11-22-2007, 01:07 AM

I definiately think I need an NT as a mate. The thing I've found is that NTs can have very well developed feeling sides while it's rare to see an F have a well developed T side.

logos

11-22-2007, 05:14 AM

I always seem to end up with INFPs who quite independantly of each other refer to me affectionately as some kind of "bastard"; mean bastard, cold bastard, calculating bastard, etc. You wouldn't think there were so many INFPs in the world but it's all I ever find. :P

My brother is an INTP. We get along excellently although sometimes his procrastination in fulfulling his obligations annoys me, and he's a very messy guest.

Empathic

11-22-2007, 08:10 AM

I think the same type really helps communication and being on the same wavelength, and is potentially a great match if interests and personality are also compatible. If not the exactly same type, the same dominant function Ni may similarly help.

According to some models however, dominant Ni's are recommended to seek dominant Ne's - and so supposedly INTJs should seek ENTPs and ENFPs if based on this. I personally think the idea of dominant Ni with a dominant Ne may be interesting, though someone mentioned a bad experience with an ENTP earlier in this thread. Has anyone else had a relationship with a dominant Ne?

More Tea

11-22-2007, 12:48 PM

I have my husband pegged as an ENTP/J, and we're a great balance. It helps a great deal that he's light enough on the E to enjoy downtime, like reading quietly or listening to music. He's extremely clever; he'll come up with word plays and ideas that just blow my mind away. I help keep him grounded, on the other hand. I'm better at practical, detail-oriented stuff (though I'd rather be studying something random and theoretical, thank you). He also respects my introversion: one of my concerns about getting married was that I have my own meditation/relaxation room, and he took no offense at that whatsoever.

I could not say if this would be a great match for all INTJs (bearing in mind that I fluctuate a bit on T and J)... but, hey, it works for us.

Henry

11-23-2007, 11:16 AM

Which MBTI types do you think are the most and least compatible with INTJs? What types have you been in relationships with, and how did it turn out?

Because it was mentioned a few times in this thread (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and deserved its own topic. And a poll, because I figure one will show up eventually anyway.

On a personal level, I can get along with virtually all of the types. Even SJs are fine.

I can work with any type as well, but low-functioning SJs "but the boss said so" or "those are the rules because those are the rules" will catch my ire very easily.

I definiately think I need an NT as a mate. The thing I've found is that NTs can have very well developed feeling sides while it's rare to see an F have a well developed T side.

Bull. I know a lot of women professionally who are F's but have very well developed thinking capacities, and several personally who prefer emotions but are certainly capable of rational thought.

Night

11-23-2007, 12:13 PM

Paul V

11-23-2007, 06:22 PM

To me, it seems the ideal pairing would allow for a complement to what the individual feels is lacking about himself.

For the INTJ, most tend to express their emotional/social identities as their weakest. It would appear the best choice would be to choose an xNFx (N, so that their intellectually personality is not compromised by the union).

For my money, the ENFJ seems best equipped to deal with the inequalities of the INTJ.

Someone who's leading cognitive process is Fe? As in, outwardly expressing their personal, non-logical judgments about what they perceive? No, thanks. My mother is that way, and we're at each other's throats because she can't stop expressing her judgments. If they were logical, I could tolerate her. But since they're not, I find her to be unbelievably annoying.

Oh, we have our good times, obviously. She's probably the only person (besides my ESFJ best friend) who gets my sense of humour.

Night

11-23-2007, 06:42 PM

Someone who's leading cognitive process is Fe? As in, outwardly expressing their personal, non-logical judgments about what they perceive? No, thanks. My mother is that way, and we're at each other's throats because she can't stop expressing her judgments. If they were logical, I could tolerate her. But since they're not, I find her to be unbelievably annoying.

Oh, we have our good times, obviously. She's probably the only person (besides my ESFJ best friend) who gets my sense of humour.

It sounds as if our experiences with the ENFJ differ greatly.

In terms of complementary behavior, I find the ENFJs (the ones I've encountered) to offer a refreshing mixture of Intuitive talent and emotional depth.

Regarding judgmental attitudes, I find that corresponding behaviors can produce animus - especially with those we love.

Paul V

11-23-2007, 07:04 PM

It sounds as if our experiences with the ENFJ differ greatly.

In terms of complementary behavior, I find the ENFJs (the ones I've encountered) to offer a refreshing mixture of Intuitive talent and emotional depth.

Regarding judgmental attitudes, I find that corresponding behaviors can produce animus - especially with those we love.

Well, you're an ESFJ, of course you'll understand them. You both have the Fe cognitive process as dominant. I don't like expressing how I feel, and I don't like meeting Logic with Feelings. They can't convince each other, because they're both looking at the same thing from 2 opposite viewpoints. Add to that the fact that they both live in diametrically opposed worlds (introversion versus extroversion), and then the J nature that tends to put things into black-and-white perspectives (for both of the parties), and you'll get one hell of a clash.

Night

11-23-2007, 07:34 PM

Well, you're an ESFJ, of course you'll understand them. You both have the Fe cognitive process as dominant. I don't like expressing how I feel, and I don't like meeting Logic with Feelings. They can't convince each other, because they're both looking at the same thing from 2 opposite viewpoints. Add to that the fact that they both live in diametrically opposed worlds (introversion versus extroversion), and then the J nature that tends to put things into black-and-white perspectives (for both of the parties), and you'll get one hell of a clash.

I suspect we are more alike than you might think. Type is a fairly subjective creation, often deviating from the traits listed as salient within each profile.

Personally, I find the ENFJ to be the most pristine silhouette to the behaviors that may, or may not conform to (y)our Type.

mind_wander

11-23-2007, 09:32 PM

This felt like an INTJ vs. ESFJ conflict discussion, not exactly what this thread is about. Should moved this topic of conflicting personalities with INTJ's.

Night

11-23-2007, 09:38 PM

This felt like an INTJ vs. ESFJ conflict discussion, not exactly what this thread is about. Should moved this topic of conflicting personalities with INTJ's.

I'm an INTJ as well.

Tarrick

11-23-2007, 09:55 PM

I'm an INTJ as well.

You are? Out of curiosity, what's your numbers when you test out?

And as to ENFJs...They may be better equipped to deal with the weaknesses of INTJs, but that doesn't mean that they are the most compatible types. This isn't about an answer to a problem, this is about a who is the best complement/supplement to someone else.

Night

11-23-2007, 10:04 PM

You are? Out of curiosity, what's your numbers when you test out?

By numbers, I assume you are referring to percentage division...
I - 74%
N - 95%
T - 84%
J - 58%

Tarrick

11-23-2007, 10:06 PM

By numbers, I assume you are referring to percentage division...
I - 74%
N - 95%
T - 84%
J - 58%

I see...

Curious as to why you list yourself as an ESFJ then.

Night

11-24-2007, 02:55 AM

I see...

Curious as to why you list yourself as an ESFJ then.

Type seems fairly irrelevant, I think, and serves more to distort reasoned analysis than promote it.

Over-reliance on its efficacy can intensify this inequality.

mind_wander

11-24-2007, 10:32 AM

Type seems fairly irrelevant, I think, and serves more to distort reasoned analysis than promote it.

Over-reliance on its efficacy can intensify this inequality.

Clever NIGHT, trying to fool other INTJ's, nice; trying to think outside the box, "Type seems fairly irrelevant, I think, and serves more to distort reasoned analysis than promote it." Speaking like an INTJ personality.

Night

11-24-2007, 10:46 AM

Clever NIGHT, trying to fool other INTJ's, nice; trying to think outside the box, "Type seems fairly irrelevant, I think, and serves more to distort reasoned analysis than promote it." Speaking like an INTJ personality.

My mis-Type really isn't very clever at all. I'm certain it has been done before and with greater precision.

It's my belief that adherence to the MBTI presupposes a certain openness for dishonesty.

Tarrick

11-24-2007, 03:16 PM

So Night, you are deliberately mistyping yourself...why? If it's irrelevant then why have it displayed in the first place? Making people guess is one thing, but being false is another.

Understanding different types and learning their strengths and weaknesses helps to better communicate with other people. I've learned a fair bit on how to handle people of "F" type now that I have a better grasp on how they think and function.

Dr. Haight

11-24-2007, 08:03 PM

Amaranth

11-28-2007, 01:38 PM

My brother is an INTP. We get along excellently although sometimes his procrastination in fulfulling his obligations annoys me, and he's a very messy guest.

I'm with an INTP and it works. I think it's because we share a core set of values (both types are very value-driven, from what I've read), even though we approach our values differently. I charge forward and he deliberates. Yes, I'm not the biggest fan of INTP procrastination, but I don't know anyone who's fond of my incessant rushing. If we didn't share values, it probably wouldn't work. And...he's not messy. It's relatively easy to learn how to clean up after yourself. In having a conversation or in writing, my thoughts tend to be neurotically organized and to the point, while his thoughts tend to wander in search for a conclusion to present itself. His thought patterns are more free-flowing than mine. For that reason, sometimes he can come up with creative solutions that I never would've thought of with my rigid logic.

We read somewhere the other day on an MBTI parody site that INTJs and INTPs make a good match because neither of them will even realize they're in a relationship. We got a kick out of that! ;D I guess it's because both types are so entrenched in their individual journeys - INTPs exploring their minds, INTJs actualizing their ideas.

Maverick

11-28-2007, 01:41 PM

Didn't vote. I can only say that as an ENTJ I tend to get along well with INTJ's IRL.

elsdfr

11-28-2007, 03:21 PM

ESFP for me but they are the only two I've dated since knowing of types plus they are both weak E's. We just seem to match off really well despite the major differences. But if they can accept that and adapt then I'm more than willing to. They are very in the moment, spontaneous/daring and other people love them almost instantly. Watch out when they are sick though because they turn into five year old kids! But when we're out together I never feel out of place or difficult, just follow their lead (no I'm not a dog!), simple huh? ;)

I find I become very calculating with NT types although I need them as friends for mental stimulation. The same conversations just make an SF laugh, either that or you get the raised eyebrow :lovestruck:

jnpl0011

11-28-2007, 04:33 PM

ENFP- Easy to control and see their true motives. I get along with them fine and when I was younger I had several ENFP friends. They tend to be compatible with NT's but they just like to pretend that they're NT's, which isn't a bad thing. They just have a high rate of drama surrounding them which can be amusing. Plus they want my approval, but I'll never give it to them MWAHAHAHAHAH.

This was hilarious and VERY true of my ENFP best friend. Especially the not giving approval part. It is fun to see how far they will go to get a "good job" out of you. Heh heh. Yes, I know it is cruel but it is too interesting to put an end to.

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I like INFPs but I have not been in a relationship with one.

I agree with the above about ENFJs. Run away. As far as possible.

BlackHawk

11-28-2007, 05:01 PM

My girlfriend is an INFJ. She's great- plenty of N to understand where my ideas/plans/schemes/plots come from, I enough to respect my "alone time," J . . . well just because . . . and her F helps develop my own F and see the other side of any given situation.
INFJs sometimes flare for no apparent reason . . . generally time and apologies (foreign, i know . . . .) will heal the problem and make the bond stronger than before.

PortInStorm

12-05-2007, 08:24 PM

I'm with an ESFJ, but I've written about that elsewhere. An ENTP was the only other one I'd seriously consider long-term. Quick-witted, playful but serious inside, unspoken communication, great debates, take your abrasiveness without serious problem. Only thing is their flighty interests! Their attention is so quickly drawn elsewhere, and so undependable :thumbsdown:(at least this one was).

xanodel

12-05-2007, 10:23 PM

Diva

12-06-2007, 08:21 AM

The essential part is that N can get on well with N, and S get on well with S. N-S pairs tend to have more problems in communication, since these two types have basically different views towards things.

According to the law of "the opposite attracts", theoretically, the best match for INTJ is ENFP.

However I find in reality, similar minds attract too. ENTJ-INTJ is a great match. MBTI name ENTJ the Field Marshal, and INTJ the Master Mind. ENTJ and INTJ band together as a coalition of power and brains, a formidable combination.

mind_wander

12-06-2007, 08:36 AM

Am I the only one who has an male ENFJ as a close friend? I don't find them that annoying, a bit dependent maybe, a bit illogical-yes, but so far I've managed to coax him into using logic to solve problems and he's one of the few who actually appreciates my logical processing of emotions. >_>
Yeah, there missing the logical parts in their personality type. You are not alone, I am currently working with my team partner who is an ENFJ. Maybe one day I should keep note, write out a detailed versions, especially for ENFJ's.

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The essential part is that N can get on well with N, and S get on well with S. N-S pairs tend to have more problems in communication, since these two types have basically different views towards things.

According to the law of "the opposite attracts", theoretically, the best match for INTJ is ENFP.

However I find in reality, similar minds attract too. ENTJ-INTJ is a great match. MBTI name ENTJ the Field Marshal, and INTJ the Master Mind. ENTJ and INTJ band together as a coalition of power and brains, a formidable combination.
Yeah, it should be INTJ are the best match between ENFP and ENTP's. But, I managed to get along with ENTJ's quiet well, some of them are frustrated, based on the outside. Hey, if we can make it any better for you, let us know. We will try our best.

Diva

12-06-2007, 08:57 AM

Yeah, it should be INTJ are the best match between ENFP and ENTP's. But, I managed to get along with ENTJ's quiet well, some of them are frustrated, based on the outside. Hey, if we can make it any better for you, let us know. We will try our best.

It all boils down to the ratios of T-F, J-P or I-E that a couple have. For instance, an ENTJ with a moderate E and J can get on well with INTJs in general. On the contrary, INTJs with a strong T may find it difficult to communicate to people with a strong F. The communication between an ENTJ and an INTJ, both with a very strong J, may lead to frustration, the same principle.

mind_wander

12-06-2007, 09:53 AM

It all boils down to the ratios of T-F, J-P or I-E that a couple have. For instance, an ENTJ with a moderate E and J can get on well with INTJs in general. On the contrary, INTJs with a strong T may find it difficult to communicate to people with a strong F. The communication between an ENTJ and an INTJ, both with a very strong J, may lead to frustration, the same principle.

You made a good point, if someone with a strong F sides, compared to someone who has a strong T does may in fact have trouble communicating. Great analysis, this does happen to me, also. Sometimes, you might have no choice, but to put it on ignore or screensaver mode; until they realize its better to cool off, then get back to us. I do like how the ENTJ mind works, less conflicts, more get straight to the point. If it doesn't, then we both get frustrated, then end up more fuel for you to endure, results for you cleaned up after everyone's mess.

Diva

12-06-2007, 10:09 AM

I do like how the ENTJ mind works, less conflicts, more get straight to the point. If it doesn't, then we both get frustrated, then end up more fuel for you to endure, results for you cleaned up after everyone's mess.

Yeah, non-bullshitting and right to the point is indeed the communication pattern ENTJs use in most cases- for the sake of efficiency. INTJs are similar in this sense. The two types are similar-minded, except for ENTJ's aggression can stir up people's insecurity sometimes. INTJs, on the contrary, are less aggressive and more subtle. Nevertheless, the foxy nature of both types are just so similar. :cool:

rwyatt365

12-06-2007, 12:05 PM

Yeah, non-bullshitting and right to the point is indeed the communication pattern ENTJs use in most cases- for the sake of efficiency. INTJs are similar in this sense. The two types are similar-minded, except for ENTJ's aggression can stir up people's insecurity sometimes. INTJs, on the contrary, are less aggressive and more subtle. Nevertheless, the foxy nature of both types are just so similar. :cool:
So INTJs can be FOXY? :huh:
Who knew? :cool:

Diva

12-06-2007, 12:12 PM

So INTJs can be FOXY? :huh:
Who knew? :cool:

oooops, sorry to speak out THE top secret...... :p

rwyatt365

12-06-2007, 12:18 PM

oooops, sorry to speak out THE top secret...... :p
Damn! And I wasted my youth thinking that I was odd when I was foxy all along!! :irked:

Where's my time machine?!! "Watch out Irma! Foxy Daddy is comin' to get ya!"
(BTW - Irma was my high school unrequited love. Sigh... :undecided: )

Diva

12-06-2007, 12:31 PM

Damn! And I wasted my youth thinking that I was odd when I was foxy all along!! :irked:

Where's my time machine?!! "Watch out Irma! Foxy Daddy is comin' to get ya!"
(BTW - Irma was my high school unrequited love. Sigh... :undecided: )

lol........it's not a crime being foxy, it is a crime to be foxy all alone. :laugh:
co-sigh......my high school (un)requited love was the first to teach me INTJ is VERY foxy.......:rolleyes:

mind_wander

12-06-2007, 09:48 PM

lol........it's not a crime being foxy, it is a crime to be foxy all alone. :laugh:
co-sigh......my high school (un)requited love was the first to teach me INTJ is VERY foxy.......:rolleyes:

Really, I didn't know that, "cool to know that now!".

robin.

12-07-2007, 01:18 AM

I'm new to typology, so I haven't been able to just type people by observing people. However, my mom tested ISFP and I have an amazing relationship with her. Granted, she's been through a lot of therapy to help her stop internalizing things and blaming herself for things. (The description on personalitypage fit her to a T--artist, animal lover, sometimes depressed.) The only time we clash is when I get pissed how she's late for EVERYTHING and how she's way more outwardly emotional than I am and has to talk through all of her problems.

A guy I've known for a couple of months tested INFJ, and I get along with him very well so far. He's considerably withdrawn and only really comes out when he's drunk, which is unfortunate because he seems like a very nice person. Time will tell, I guess.

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6) ISTJ, which are really cold and annoying, but not totally offensive. You'll never have an intellectual discussion with one (if you believe you have, you were somehow duped - they are like talking to a living, breathing, textbook), but they won't misuse words. They'll keep your environment clean, but hold it over you, even if they don't tell you that. They don't tend to make good food, but they can be frugal and if you get them when they're young and malleable, they are ripe for training into whatever you need/want. They're most useful in work environments and probably the least endurable for relationships while not being totally incompatible.

I understand everyone has different experiences with all the types, but I hope you eventually meet an ISTJ who isn't like this!! I sometimes test as ISTJ, but my S and N scores are always very close. I'd like to think that I'm not cold and annoying, and I only talk like a textbook when someone wants an explanation for something...and I can so cook! hahaha well....as long as I don't mistake the salt for the sugar.....

but either way, your opinion is yours. :)

ushop

12-07-2007, 10:11 AM

I understand everyone has different experiences with all the types, but I hope you eventually meet an ISTJ who isn't like this!!

Seconded! My best friend is an ISTJ, and we get along extremely well. Our views on politics and other areas are completely different, but we always agree to disagree. As an ISTJ, she helps me stay on track when I get distracted by shiny ideas and should be doing homework (and convinces me to do student activities I'd signed up for but no longer feel like doing because I want to hermit myself).

Firelie

12-07-2007, 12:45 PM

I have a good friend who is an ISTJ too. At times she gets irrationally angry about things that don't seem "fair" to her, but other than that, she's fun to hang out with, she's amusingly passionate, and she's responsible.

mind_wander

12-07-2007, 06:19 PM

Seconded! My best friend is an ISTJ, and we get along extremely well. Our views on politics and other areas are completely different, but we always agree to disagree. As an ISTJ, she helps me stay on track when I get distracted by shiny ideas and should be doing homework (and convinces me to do student activities I'd signed up for but no longer feel like doing because I want to hermit myself).
Yes, I kinda do agree. The nice part that ISTJ's and INTJ's are not so dissimiliar at all. The only difference is the S and N. For an ISTJ, would take the time to slowly obsorb everything an INTJ has to say. Let them process it, then they will reply back at ya. Nothing is boring, for an ISTJ because its something interesting to learn; kinda slowly used the N side. Overall, the conversations are pretty cool, what I see is this? ISTJ's are very pesitimistic, while INTJ's are more optimistic. So I can understand, how ISTJ's functions; so true they do keep us, on track. Because they think of all the negative outcomes, as for INTJ's thinks about the positive outcomes or opportunities.